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Scoop from Sweden...

September 1, 2011 - Having been a global leader in the projector market over the past decade 1, shows the Epson up a new dimension to home theater with a range of 3D projectors with full HD. The projectors that were presented at the IFA 2011 provides the brightest 3D images on the market. 2 They are also easy to use features like wireless connectivity for full high definition to movie fans, eager and sports fans can get a real 3D experience as well as 2D images in high quality in the home.

Epson's unique brightness technology provides 3D content that is clearly brighter than the other 3D home theater projectors with full HD 2nd By doubling the refresh rate from 240 Hz to 480 Hz, the blackout-time between left and right images significantly reduced. It gives a brighter 3D image that is more comfortable for users to look at.

EH-TW9000 and EH-TW9000W is the top model among the five projectors that give the optimal 3D experience with high representation of white and colored light up to 2400 lumens and contrast levels as high as 200 000:1 3, all with the latest technology. EH-TW5900, EH-TW6000 and EH-TW6000W are among the most affordable 3D 1080p home theater projectors on the market two high representation of white and colored light up to 2200 lumens and contrast levels up to 40 000:1 third

Images of high quality and projected images are bright, clear and beautiful to the eyes, thanks to Epson's 3LCD technology. In addition, the EH-and EH-TW9000W TW6000W the first wireless compatible 3D projector for full HD on the market 2, which allows users to adjust the projector without cables towed anywhere in the house.

"We previously announced that Epson would wait to develop the 3D home theater projectors until we were sure that the correct engagement were from providers of 3D content. The forecast is that 27% of households will be 3D-capable 2015 and counting with more than 40 3D video games will be released this year, four so now it's time for Epson to release their 3D projectors, and enable users to view 3D content on the big screen, "says Madlyne Colson, Product Manager at Epson Europe .

"Our new projectors support a number of existing 3-D sources, so there is a wide choice of films and programs available to show. Projectors are still the leading home theater projectors offer outstanding image clarity and accurate color reproduction. We are very excited about these new products and the experiences that they will allow Epson customers, "adds Colson.




EH-TW5900 (1200 Euro), EH-TW6000 (1650 Euro), EH-TW6000W (1900 Euro) available from October 2011, the EH-TW9000 (3050 Euro) and EH-TW9000W (3250 Euro) available from November 2011.



Hmm shame to see that all the 'cheaper' models do not have any kind of lens shift anymore, makes it harder to install them.. and what about all those people that do not care about 3D?
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Thanks a lot for the news! I was SO looking forward to know what comes next from Epson!
Can you tell us how many hours do the bulbs last on the high-end models?
Also, does Epson still offer life warranty on the lamp?
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Being only the top of the line (EH-TW9000) has lens shift this one will probably not make my short list. The 3050 euro calculates to be about $4362 unless someone has a great deal.

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Wow, 2400 lumens!

curious to see what will be left at 6500k and how much db are in low/high mode!!
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Being only the top of the line (EH-TW9000) has lens shift this one will probably not make my short list. The 3050 euro calculates to be about $4362 unless someone has a great deal.

This is the first time i see a price in sweden before the US pricetag, and when we guess prices in sweden we tend to calculate the price as if the dollar is worth 10* the swedish krona(incl taxes)(real numbers are ca 6,5*sek). If thats the case the epson 9000 would cost around 3000$ in the US. Going for 29900 sek as epsons homepage says is alot cheaper high-end model then previous years, where the epson 5500(european name) went for 35000 sek.
My guess is that there will be another epson model, that does not have 3D, the 3lcd reflective versions that was mentioned last year(r2000/4000), and they will probebly cost a bit more.

For exampel the panasonic 4000 went for around 2000$ in the US, and in sweden for ca 30000sek, equal too about 4200$ back then.
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I am very surprised that they left out lens shift on the lower models, I think most if not all Epson consumer LCDs had it. The lower end models are often used by people who to not mount the projectors and hence often need lens shift to position the picture properly. Strange move by Epson IMO.
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The TW-9000 looks really good to me from these specs!

More info please!

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Why would the 9000 in white have the wireless connectivity and the 9000 in black not have it? A typo??? I am also surprised that the lower end models are fixed offset. Maybe that allows them to really drop the price on those models.
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No typo, the white one is 200 Euros more expensive as well!
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I'm confused. Are these replacing what was supposed to come out last year? And I say "supposed", because it seems these projectors are back to standard LCD vs the whole "reflective LCD" (lcos).
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Are the contrast with or without an automatic Iris?
So what is the native contrast when the 200000:1 with iris?
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I'm confused. Are these replacing what was supposed to come out last year? And I say "supposed", because it seems these projectors are back to standard LCD vs the whole "reflective LCD" (lcos).

good question, where are the models they held back from release last year?
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I was looking forward to see what Epson would offer in the LCOS line too.

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Here are some quick impressions-

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The high end TW9000 projector on the other hand beamed a beautifully sharp and colourful image in 2D onto the wall of the factory's in-built home cinema room. Switching to 3D introduced a touch of softness and slight loss of brightness to the picture, but still managed a very convincing 3D illusion with the active shutter glasses. We're certainly looking forward to testing it further in the December edition of Wired magazine.

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They are waiting until JVC press conference. Save the best for last.
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They are waiting until JVC press conference. Save the best for last.

JVC better have an ACE up their sleeve.. they have a lot of answering to do for those craptastic lamps in 2011.

I hope Epson has a highly competitive model to give them a run.
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JVC better have an ACE up their sleeve.. they have a lot of answering to do for those craptastic lamps in 2011.

Yes. And for the CMS and gamma issues too!

The Epson looks sweet, at least on paper.

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Insult added to injury if new improved lamps have been sourced but are not backwards compatible.
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Does the high end model have lens memory for CinemaScope zooming?
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Sounds like it willl compete very closely to the panasonic ae7000. Hopefully this projector calibrates to a higher brightness than the panny for bigger screens.

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Sounds like it willl compete very closely to the panasonic ae7000. Hopefully this projector calibrates to a higher brightness than the panny for bigger screens.

The eh-tw9000 is called LCd but it really more of a LCOS technology. The pannys are old fashioned LCD, right? LCD has lots of drawbacks: poor fill factor, dust issues, low native contrast. The Epson should be in another, better, league.

Let's see.

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The eh-tw9000 is called LCd but it really more of a LCOS technology.

Where did you get that information? It looks to me like this is regular LCD (transmissive), especially with the 200,000:1 contrast ratio claimed. That is more in line with the kind of specs Epson has had for their traditional LCD projectors versus the much higher numbers they were claiming last year for their announced reflective-LCD models.

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The eh-tw9000 is called LCd but it really more of a LCOS technology. The pannys are old fashioned LCD, right? LCD has lots of drawbacks: poor fill factor, dust issues, low native contrast. The Epson should be in another, better, league.

Let's see.

This is my hope as well. Going to be hard to narrow down pre-orders until the reviews start rolling in.
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Looking at the Epson Europe website all their TW models are transmissive LCD and their EH models are the reflective technology. SO I would have to say these are transmissive. But they do have the reflective models on their website, the EH-R2000 and the EH-R4000, don't know if they were on there before or not but they're not on the US or Canadian sites.

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This is my hope as well. Going to be hard to narrow down pre-orders until the reviews start rolling in.

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The eh-tw9000 is called LCd but it really more of a LCOS technology. The pannys are old fashioned LCD, right? LCD has lots of drawbacks: poor fill factor, dust issues, low native contrast. The Epson should be in another, better, league.

Let's see.

Trust me, if these were the reflective design, it would be all over the spec sheet. That's something they would want to "flaunt" for sure. That's why I think it's just LCD.
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The 9000 is LCD using the same new chip as the new 7000 Panasonic. This was previously announced. Don't know if the LCOS models will ever be released in the US. Will find out more information next week at CEDIA.
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Wow. Truth is that I just assumed that the tw9000 was reflective. It looked like the reflective model that was never released.

Sorry if I mislead anyone or got their hopes up. Where are the reflective models? Epson has given up on them?

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Trust me, if these were the reflective design, it would be all over the spec sheet. That's something they would want to "flaunt" for sure. That's why I think it's just LCD.

Agreed.... and look at the lens shift stats too. That is a clue also.

Too bad
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I am not interested in the 3D. Should I get the 8700UB model? I have the 8100 and it is OK but not that great on the black.
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