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Can I wear this while I'm driving?

Sure, but it will be a very short trip.
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I have to admit I'm intrigued by this. The lack of 1080p is disappointing, though if this is mildly successful (and even if it isn't), that will probably come in a later iteration. If $700 is the list price, we could possibly see these discounted significantly after a while. What's cool is that it theoretically eliminates the need to dedicate a large room in your house to being a movie room, and you don't have to deal with the complexities of light control. I'm skeptical of the headphone's bass response, so my initial thought was to combine these with a movie room with 5.1 or better audio, but I'm not sure if that's possible (can you remove the earpieces on these?). Of course, the advantage of the headphones (if they deliver reasonably good surround sound) is that, again, you don't have to have a room dedicated to HT. Three of these and my wife, daughter, and I can just lounge on the couch or in our bed and watch a big screen, light controlled, 3D movie in the middle of the day.

Wearing these things obviously takes away from the community aspect of movie watching but, let's face it, movie watching isn't the most social thing anyway, since no one likes to be distracted by someone else talking during a movie you're trying to watch. And it could be argued that even a conventional setup with 3D shutter glasses isolate you from your couch-neighbors. But for sports or TV watching, where it's more acceptable (or even preferred) to socialize, a more conventional TV/projector setup would be preferred.

Other concerns are the scalability. With my movie room, I can seat six people (and there's room for more, but I only have six theater chairs). With this, I'd have to buy six of them ($4200 total, at list price), to serve the same number of viewers. For just the three of us, $2100 (or, hopefully less, if discounted) could be justifiable if the experience seemed more immersive than what I could get with a 3D projector in that price range, but $4200 would be well outside of my acceptable range.

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To call a pair of 0.7" OLED panel akin to a 750" movie screen is ridiculous without also stating the viewing distance.

What's "equivalent to a 750-inch screen" supposed to mean? That you walk around with a low-res billboard pasted to your face? I can hold my phone up to my face and it looks bigger than my 50" plasma at 10'. A quarter can cover the moon.

That means that the focus is akin to focusing your eyes at something 20 m away which would correspond to a 750 inch screen in viewing angle. It will not be the same as looking really close to a cell phone since in that case would have to focus really close and you´d also get the parallax cue telling you it´s really small. With this thing it really looks like a huge screen far away even though it isn´t.

I´m intrigued. Though there are two major drawbacks. 1 only 720p, which I reckon will be amended in a year or two. And 2, the community factor. I like to invite people to watch movies together. This wouldn´t be meaningful if we´re isolated in different "worlds". Imagine cuddling up in the sofa with the girlfriend with two VR helmets and headphones on??
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I am having visions of Lori Singer with the head gear on in the mid 90's show VR5.

How could she have known 17 years later this would come true?

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Using these for 3D gaming, not to mention the ability to add a head tracking system for PC 3D gaming, is going to be great! But I'm going to wait for 1080...
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Lets not forget that it's freaking OLED!

Blacks that are black.

Infinite Contrast.

24 bit colour.

Perfect Motion

OLED = perfect display.
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I could see buying four of these and that's it for projectors. This is probably a videophiles wet dream. I'm seriously putting any future projector purchase on hold until I see one of these in action.
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Seriously. I am starting a pre interest pre oder list for these and I am first on the list. PM me if you want in. Jason. I have you second.

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Seriously. I am starting a pre interest pre oder list for these and I am first on the list. PM me if you want in. Jason. I have you second.

I have wasted $800 on worse tech than this.. I am IN!! The OLED is the driving force and the Gizmodo review of the guy who hates this tech from the past but was complimentary to the Sony during his tests.

I already know the first movie I am watching..
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hmm.. this looks form fitting, I don't see how you could use it with prescription glasses. I might have a to get a pair of contacts.

Could they have some focus adjustments for people with prescription glasses ? I don't even understand how such an image displayed so close to the eye would affect people with prescription glasses ....

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Could they have some focus adjustments for people with prescription glasses ? I don't even understand how such an image displayed so close to the eye would affect people with prescription glasses ....

All the VR headsets I have worked with have each eye both horizontally adjustable and focus separately. It should work well for most except those with astigmatism.
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Add me to the list! I bet AVS could get the entire first shipment in preorders alone. Lol

I do have astigmatism, but it's pretty mild in one eye. Hopefully it still works for me.
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I hope this will be a big hit. And then I will get the 3rd generation when Sony will eliminate the band-ghost-flicker-whatever-big-issue of the 1st generation, plus 1080p and CFI :P
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I could see buying four of these and that's it for projectors. This is probably a videophiles wet dream. I'm seriously putting any future projector purchase on hold until I see one of these in action.

For four people the cost is very comparable to a 3D projector and four pairs of glasses. Mark, I will be the idiot right beside you at CEDIA with a pair of these on.
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Could they have some focus adjustments for people with prescription glasses ? I don't even understand how such an image displayed so close to the eye would affect people with prescription glasses ....

One of the articles talked about sliders to adjust the focus, so as long as there was enough adjustment, then glasses would not be needed.
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I could see buying four of these and that's it for projectors. This is probably a videophiles wet dream. I'm seriously putting any future projector purchase on hold until I see one of these in action.

The more I think about these, the more I think this might be the slow beginnings of the end of HT projection as we know it. I mean I normally watch movies down in my bat cave by myself at night so I can't quite set the volume to full. These simulate the bat cave experience but without the audio volume limitation. These do eliminate the communal experience and our family does watch many movies together so that value cannot be underestimated. These are equivalent to taking the family to the movies but everyone watches the same movie in a different theater. While no one should be talking, I do like to look over at the people I am with to see how they are enjoying the movie and also hearing everyone laugh or react together. However there are still some advantages to these for those with dedicated rooms and for those who cannot have a dedicated room, it is all good.

Obviously 1080p is a must and the image must be close to Rec709 for movies but that may not be but a year or two away.
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One of the articles talked about sliders to adjust the focus, so as long as there was enough adjustment, then glasses would not be needed.

I agree. I'm very nearsighted and have astigmatism. However, I don't have any problem with my laptop screen at about 18" without glasses.

Sufficient focal range adjustment would be ideal. There are only two of us, so the cost wouldn't be that bad. However, I don't think my other half could stand the isolation (claustrophobia).

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The more I think about these, the more I think this might be the slow beginnings of the end of HT projection as we know it. I mean I normally watch movies down in my bat cave by myself at night so I can't quite set the volume to full. These simulate the bat cave experience but without the audio volume limitation. These do eliminate the communal experience and our family does watch many movies together so that value cannot be underestimated. These are equivalent to taking the family to the movies but everyone watches the same movie in a different theater. While no one should be talking, I do like to look over at the people I am with to see how they are enjoying the movie and also hearing everyone laugh or react together. However there are still some advantages to these for those with dedicated rooms and for those who cannot have a dedicated room, it is all good.

Obviously 1080p is a must and the image must be close to Rec709 for movies but that may not be but a year or two away.

There is one thing that is going to be missing from the HT experience, at least for me. It is not going to have the audio impact that you feel with your body.
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Pete. You might get by with a magazine, I would need a large quilt!

Thanks guys. Next pre interest order is number 7 on the list. I guess I will have to start the owners' thread. I can just see my discussion with our buyer when I say we need to order 50 of these for the first order batch. You want me to order 50 prs of Sony 3D glasses that MSRP for $800 or whatever?

Its obvious, you guys just don't ever want to have to replace a bulb or an led.

I do not see these replacing a HT or selling multiple multiple pairs but who knows to oe customer. But I will now be able to sit next to my wife when she is watching a I Love Lucy rerun for the 149th time and I can watch tonights' game without isolating myself in our home theater.

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from the Gizmodo article. Looks like he is playing Grand Turismo in the photos.


Personal TVs are uniformly dorky. I've tried several, and allI mean all of themare the kind of horrible experience that makes you think the future is a very asinine place. To date, other than watching hard core pornography on an airplane, I've not yet seen a compelling use case for wearable televisions. And then I tried on the HMZ-T1.

Not only did this sell me on the concept of wearable TV, it was one of my better experiences with 3DTV which I've likewise been skeptical of. There was a simple reason for both of these things: This was one of the more immersive entertainment experiences I've yet had. When I tried playing Gran Turismo, I found myself pivoting my head to look left and right although that has no effect on the display (of course). It was just a natural reaction. I felt like I was in the driver's seat of a car, and was scanning the road as I normally would. When we popped in a 3D movie, I actually ducked a bit as a shark swam overhead.

The picture is solid as well. Although tiny, the eye-sized display appears to be 150 inches. Because there are two distinct displays, one for each eye, there is no crosstalk, and of course, no need for active shutter glasses. They're rather awkward going on, but you quickly forget you're wearing them, or at least I did.

The thing the HMZ-T1 does well is melt away. It's lightweight at 14.8 oz. Adjustments at the nose bridge and temple let you adjust the width of the eye and ear pieces so you can get a perfect fit for your face. The over-ear speakers (and this is impossible to overstate) positively deposit you in sound. In fact, this entire thing is less immersive than it is enveloping. I felt like I was inside the game.
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Pete. You might get by with a magazine, I would need a large quilt!

Thanks guys. Next pre interest order is number 7 on the list. I guess I will have to start the owners' thread. I can just see my discussion with our buyer when I say we need to order 50 of these for the first order batch. You want me to orser 5p prs of Sony 3D glasses that MSRP for $800 or whatever?

Its obvious, you guys just don't ever want to have to replace a bulb or an led.

I do not see these replacing a HT or selling multiple multiple pairs but who knows to oe customer. But I will now be able to sit next to my wife when she is watching a I Love Lucy rerun for the 149th time and I can watch tonights' game without isolating myself in our home theater.

Honey. Would you mind getting me a Grant's. Remember the old liquor ads in the magazines. Except now I can say, Honey could you refresh my glass with some Pappy Van Wrinkle 20 (year old). Life is good. Thank you Sony.

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I own a Samsung Captivate cell phone, which is oled and it is the most amazing display I have ever seen. It's only problem is that's it's only 4 inches big. Seeing oled in 3d at 300"! Everything is an optical illusion anyway when it comes to 3d, so if your brain can be fooled into seeing a .7" screen as 300", who cares if it really isn't!

So why couldn't one just use your own home theater for audio? Would it throw off the illusion of spaciousness?
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So is this Sony's late response to the Nintendo Virtual Boy?

http://www.gatoraids.com/wp-content/...3/virtboy1.jpg

In all seriousness, I'd definitely be interested in checking it out... Hopefully it does well enough to see a 1080p version.

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Maybe later when it's better and cheaper. Right now, for a family of 6, it's going to cost $4700 for 720p at $785 each.

Who cares about the family. They can watch the projector!

My initial response to this product was skeptical. Next was intrigue. Now I am excited! As long as 3d requires wearing 3d glasses (which from all indications seems like a long time), this seems like a reasonable alternative.

If they can continue to improve and shrink the size of this thing, this really could be the future of display technology. What will happen to theaters? Anyone could have a home theater while sitting on their toilet!
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