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Has anyone heard anything about a second version of the HMZ yet?
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

The low resolution/pixel structure (relative to the 1080p displays that I'm now used to) was one of the most obvious characteristics that hit me when demoing this product. Various people have mentioned it as well. And I doubt I have 20/20 vision at this point. In over a decade of carefully examining displays of various types of resolutions, I'm quite aware of what lower relative pixel resolution looks like. So...I find the idea that what we are seeing is "impossible" to be a tad hyperbolic.

LOL. Indeed, "impossible" in this case meant "me too."

I am really enjoing the HMZ-T1, but I'm not living in Fantasyland about it. The pixel structure is totally visible, and even distracting at times. This is the main reason I look forward to a 1080p version of this product (though I secretly hope Sony waits more than a year so I can convince the wife I need a new one ).

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Has anyone heard anything about a second version of the HMZ yet?

Nope. Not even at CES AFAIK.

I think a better question(s) would be: Is Sony going to continue making and selling the HMZ-T1? If so, are they currently working on an upgraded version?

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LOL. Indeed, "impossible" in this case meant "me too."

I am really enjoing the HMZ-T1, but I'm not living in Fantasyland about it. The pixel structure is totally visible, and even distracting at times. This is the main reason I look forward to a 1080p version of this product (though I secretly hope Sony waits more than a year so I can convince the wife I need a new one ).


Nope. Not even at CES AFAIK.

I think a better question(s) would be: Is Sony going to continue making and selling the HMZ-T1? If so, are they currently working on an upgraded version?

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Considering how greatly they underestimated the demand for these, I'd say it's a safe bet that they'll continue making these and are probably looking at possibilities for the next version.

They aren't total noobs at sales/marketing. You don't stop selling an item that has a greater demand than you anticipated, and you don't introduce a new model when the first version is still selling like hotcakes.

Even if they already have a 1080p prototype, any marketing team with any sense would tell them not to debut it while they're still having difficulty keeping up with the demand for the first model. Introducing a 1080p version at CES would effectively kill sales of the T1 as folks would just wait for the T2 (or whatever it would be called).


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I read that the eye can resolve around 540dpi at 20 inches on a static image.And it drops with brighter/moving images.

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I received thie email today:

Dear Email Subscriber,

We are pleased to announce that SiliconMicroDisplay (SMD) will begin taking pre-orders for the ST1080 on March 1st. We will starting shipping to USA customers in early May.

We are also pleased to offer a reduced price of $699 for a limited time - March 1st through March 21st. After that period, we will return to the full price of $799.

We are concurrently working on the pricing and availability details for other countries, and we'll make that information available as soon as we get them over the next few weeks.

The ST1080 is the world's first consumer head mounted display to offer Full HD 1080p (2M pixels) picture quality, see-through technology, and mobility features. The ST1080 is perfect for watching Blu-ray movies and playing console games while staying in touch with your surroundings.

The pre-order information will go live on our website tomorrow, February 22nd.


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Thanks for that info. However, what is with the puny 100:1 contrast ratio?

http://www.siliconmicrodisplay.com/st1080-features.html
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Ride home about? I think you mean in olden days, Write home about. Now, no one writes, they email or text message.

Now how would that work in a sentence? Nothing to email home about? Nothing to text home about? Hmmmmm - lost in translation
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Thanks for that info. However, what is with the puny 100:1 contrast ratio?

http://www.siliconmicrodisplay.com/st1080-features.html

That's the downside of the technology and its implementation, which is why it doesn't compete with the HMZ.

The HMZ is geared more towards av enthusiasts, the ST1080 is geared more towards tech geeks. Once I heard about the 'see-through' technology, which they claim "allows the viewer to stay in touch with their surroundings", it was obvious that the ST1080 would have far inferior contrast. You simply can't have a translucent display AND very high contrast together at this current time.


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You simply can't have a translucent display AND very high contrast together at this current time.


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I don't think you'll have it at any time ..

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Thanks for that info. However, what is with the puny 100:1 contrast ratio?

http://www.siliconmicrodisplay.com/st1080-features.html

Although the contrast ratio, CR, of a display is important, I generally ignore contrast ratio specs.

The video display industry has been in a competitive "numbers war" battle regarding this spec for many years. Although there have been small incremental improvements over the past few years, the advertising specs would suggest there have been revolutionary advances. Instead of a CR of let's say 1200:1, we see specs like 10,000:1, then 60,000:1, and even 3,000,000:1, but in truth what these numbers reflect is outright lying, fudging, exaggerating, and the invention of "new and improved" measurement criteria.

We also must consider they usually don't state the test conditions, which can lead to drastically different results: Are the claims of gray scale CR only, with no color present? ANSI standards? Full brightness on vs full off? Half screen black the other white? Center of checkerboard pattern measurement or edge? Was the measurement done in a typically lit living room or a pitch black bat cave? Static? Dynamic? With "Super Duper Ultra Wow Gamma Technology" turned on or off and what are the negative consequences of leaving it on? With crushed blacks, perhaps?

There are too many variables so I trust only independent test labs that state exactly what they mean, and when they publish data based on instrumentation readings. Anything less I simply ignore.

Silicon Micro Display goes into more details, including that their spec accounts for 10% transparency to the exterior room/cockpit (so it is not a "bat cave" measurement, at all) here:
http://www.siliconmicrodisplay.com/1...ontrast/1.html

To learn more about the contrast ratio "numbers game" we are trapped in, here:
http://www.practical-home-theater-gu...ast-ratio.html

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Yes, but any half decent FP or flat screen will give you 10K on/off CR. 100:1 is extremely poor by any measure (even considering technology from 5 to 10 yrs ago!). If their reference is ANSI CR, other than CRT FP (which compensated with extremely high on/off CR), FP and flat screens have been able to far exceed 100:1 for yrs now.

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Yes, but any half decent FP or flat screen will give you 10K on/off CR. 100:1 is extremely poor by any measure (even considering technology from 5 to 10 yrs ago!). If their reference is ANSI CR, other than CRT FP (which compensated with extremely high on/off CR), FP and flat screens have been able to far exceed 100:1 for yrs now.

The unit is semi-transparent, apparently designed so you can still see what's around you .. nothing of this type design will ever have a stellar CR .. it's just the nature of the beast .. and kind of a stupid design, if you ask me ..

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If the "situational awareness" provided by such a semi-transparent design is not desired, one can "fix" this problem simply by placing black electrical tape over the front of the goggles. I like having the choice.

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I don't think you'll have it at any time ..

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The unit is semi-transparent, apparently designed so you can still see what's around you .. nothing of this type design will ever have a stellar CR .. it's just the nature of the beast .. and kind of a stupid design, if you ask me ..

I guess it depends on the intended use. For someone who wants to watch TV while riding the Shinkansen to work, sure, fine. For av enthusiasts looking for an immersive experience, nope.

As far as not being able to produce a semi-transparent with good contrast ratio, I know they were experimenting with adjustable translucence displays (i.e. a TV where the screen is transparent when Off and when you turn it on, the screen ceases to be transparent).

If that comes to fruition, than potentially in the future, you could have a display where you could adjust the translucence to taste. Semi-transparent when you need to be somewhat aware of your surroundings, or completely opaque when maximum contrast is desired.

At this current time though, in order for something to be semi-transparent, it has to be incapable of producing anything close to black. To allow you to 'stay in touch with your surroundings' it can't have a very good white point either so yep, crappy contrast.


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If the "situational awareness" provided by such a semi-transparent design is not desired, one can "fix" this problem simply by placing black electrical tape over the front of the goggles. I like having the choice.

to each his own .. perhaps they should make a unit with foldable flaps ..

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That's how I'd like it:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post20909663
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Isn't lcos capable of very high on/off contrast ratios like in the case of the JVC pj's? So could this potentially be great for home theater enthusiasts if the HMD was designed with us in mind?
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I have no fear that the actual real world use of this product (ST1080), using black tape or simply turning the room's lights off (which several of the Sony HMZT1 users mention is necessary for optimal performance, as well)*, will be poor in regards to perceived contrast, but only time will tell.

Keep in mind we have no data on the performance without the 10% transparency that's built-in (yet is easily defeatable by those who don't want it) taken into account.

*However they do so on the Sony for glare/reflection reduction reasons. Which is related to perceived contrast, actually.

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does anybody know if Sony HMD or SMD st1080 support nvidia 3D vision ? by any chance
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I'm hoping it is just a typo/error, but engadget today is describing the Zeiss OLED as "870x500 pixels" without even batting an eye that such a resolution is NOT HD, (which has a bare minimum spec of 720x1280):

http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/06/z...-on/#continued

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does anybody know if Sony HMD or SMD st1080 support nvidia 3D vision ? by any chance

yes it supports nvidia 3d vision.
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yes it supports nvidia 3d vision.

it supports 3d vision ! wow

Damn the sony design - i only hate this for it's bulky design,small exit pupil and the fact that it's NOT usb powered and portable else if this is the form factor as st1080 i will grab it for 'any' price
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More confirmation from this link provided by benz145 in the Sony thread, that the Carl Zeiss OLED Cinemizer will not be HD!

500 lines? You've got to be kidding me! Wow, that's a "whopping" 4% greater count than Standard Definition's 480. Oh boy. [and to keep scaling easy, it may simply put 10 black pixels above and below the main image, hardly noticable to most viewers, in which case it is 480p!]

Considering the comparably priced competition is true HD, 720p [Sony] or soon even 1080p [Silicon Micro Display in May], I don't know what they were thinking! Hello, Carl Z. McFly, wake up; it's 2012! We aren't playing Pong on glass tube TVs anymore!

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