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post #3691 of 10365 Old 12-15-2012, 10:10 AM
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No. No one has on a 1000ES yet.

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Try this again:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00562O8U0/

what is the verdict on these, worth it to fill in the gaps in a large theater without breaking the bank, or save my pennies and just watch 2D when I have large groups over?

The kids glasses are too small and need filters, which Sony is way too proud of. I'm hoping these don't need filters and are more adult sized.

They've been as low as $20 over the holidays, but the price looks pretty steady in the low $20's.

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i think if you have a budget HT with a cheap projector, a sheet for a screen, etc etc like you do Turls then I think to save pennies, I wouldn't spend any more money than to buy just one pair of glasses.you need to stretch those food stamps. Whoops, I mixed you up with some one else, you have a $25K projector, a big high quality screen, yada yada, I guess you gotta save those pennies also. smile.gif. Cancel the HD service on your set top box too and forget about Bluray. Just buy a really cheap DVD player and just show DVDs upscaled by your Sony. Hope this insight helps. Happy holidays.

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You misunderstand, I would not wear these myself. The overflow people/kids wearing these would not probably know the difference if they work half as well as the ones that came with the projector.

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I do get and i am mostly joking. you are going to pull a Nixon when at state dinners he would serve california wines but have the stewards serve the head table from the california label bottles but with the wine poured out and filled with better french stuff. I.I can understand giving a lesser quality to those who you think wouldn't appreciate the difference as young children wouldn't. What i don't get is argument or rationality of your saving pennies so as to not break your bank. I wish i had your bank. smile.gif The issue is whether better glasses for the kids would be a waste of your otherwise plentiful dollars andIi would agree but i do not have a cheap pair of PS glasses to try first.

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I ordered a pair just to see how comfortable they are - I find the glasses included with the projector hard on my nose bone... And eyeglass pads don't seem to stick...
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I ordered a pair just to see how comfortable they are - I find the glasses included with the projector hard on my nose bone... And eyeglass pads don't seem to stick...

Let me know if you are thinking of unloading those. smile.gif

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Let me know if you are thinking of unloading those. smile.gif

No but I have some state of the art Monster Vision glasses you might want...rolleyes.gif
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No but I have some state of the art Monster Vision glasses you might want...rolleyes.gif

Got them.. What's your opinion compared to the two? Sony seems to have an edge from what I can see...

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Got them.. What's your opinion compared to the two? Sony seems to have an edge from what I can see...

Not a fan of the monsters..I see subtle posterization and color shifts with them, sometimes better, sometimes worse, depending upon the settings. Could never get them perfect. Not even sure they are widely available anymore (on amazon via a third party factory outlet type store...)
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Not a fan of the monsters..I see subtle posterization and color shifts with them, sometimes better, sometimes worse, depending upon the settings. Could never get them perfect. Not even sure they are widely available anymore (on amazon via a third party factory outlet type store...)

What's the PN of the Sony glasses that are included with the 1000?

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I don't have the monsters, but I thought they were the ones most people always said we're clearly the best. Didn't Joerod test a bunch and have guests test as well and all liked the Monsters? I was planning on buying a pair at some point.
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I don't have the monsters, but I thought they were the ones most people always said we're clearly the best. Didn't Joerod test a bunch and have guests test as well and all liked the Monsters? I was planning on buying a pair at some point.

They are good glasses but Monster has discontinued them. I question the build quality as well when I compare them to the Sony glasses. RF was the main reason I got them. Shame Sony does not offer an RF transmitter considering the 1000 has an external port for an optional transmitter. They should offer some choices. A lot of the new projectors out there are now RF for 3D.

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The Optoma BG-ZF2100GLS are the 2nd generation MV3D's (both were made by the same company). These look like an improved design that are compatible with the current RF transmitter.
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The Optoma BG-ZF2100GLS are the 2nd generation MV3D's (both were made by the same company). These look like an improved design that are compatible with the current RF transmitter.

Pretty sure they work with the existing transmitter?

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Pretty sure they work with the existing transmitter?

I read about them on one of the other forums. I'm likely going to pick up a pair soon to test them. I'll post some info comparing to the original glasses.
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I read about them on one of the other forums. I'm likely going to pick up a pair soon to test them. I'll post some info comparing to the original glasses.

That would be great! I'll be right behind you depending on your feedback.

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We still like our Monsters but will admit they are a pain to keep charged lately. I have 6 going at the same time (charging) just because a couple seem to let us down when it is time for a 3D movie. I may unload them on eBay (for cheap soon) and go to the newer ones. I ordered a pair which will hit tomorrow so I will let you know what we think. The Monsters are very comfortable so here's to hoping these new ones follow suit. smile.gif

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Oh and two weeks ago I was able to swap out all of Monster glasses (6 pairs) from them. So far these hold up much better than the ones from before. Don't ask me how I was able to swap. eek.gif

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What did you swap them for? I can't tell from the posts.

BTW. I didn't know you were into swapping. I hope you wife is on board with you re swapping.

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What did you swap them for? I can't tell from the posts.
BTW. I didn't know you were into swapping. I hope you wife is on board with you swapping.

I swap once a month! Electronics stuff that is! biggrin.gif

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Do that many of your guys actually care about 3d?

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I had some friends over and they wanted to watch Nitro Circus 3D. I have had same issue with Monsters/Optomas, they lose charge too easily. I ended up wearing Sonys, while guest got Monsters and Optomas. I also ran my good old ref disc Ultimate Wave as well. I swear it's gotten better again or maybe I just haven't looked at it since putting the Darblet in chain. Anyway, I'm on board to order some of the new Optomas, ebaying 3 now.

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Do that many of your guys actually care about 3d?

We love 3D! Thanksgiving was huge with Batman then Spider-Man 3D. We are planning Arthur Christmas 3D. With about 100 titles in 3D we are invested. smile.gif

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Its very good on the Sony 1000ES. The problem is getting 3D content that interest me. Some of the Imax Blurays are quite good and I think Hugo is fantastic. I went to see the Hobbit and I liked the 48FPS nut the 3D wasn't very adding. I think I would have err liked it as much in 2D but the 2D version is just 24 fps. Not a great movie either but I liked it more than the reviews said I would. Over the air 3D on Fios sucks.
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And that's the comparison problem JVC scales 1920 x 1080, to 3840 x 2160. A rather simple scale. Then it flashes the scaled component of that new resolution (lets call it 1920s x 1080s) separately after the original 1920 x 1080 frame, (let's call that 1920o x 1080o) is flashed. The 1920s x 1080s is e shifted over to put those pixels where they would belong on the screen if the JVC panel were 3840 x 2160. The scaling needed to be done to take 1080p to 4K (the Sony 4K panel) is much more complex horizontally. JVC's scaling is much easier. Physically shifted the new pixels generated by the scale so your eyes see them im the right place, is their licensed neat trick, E-shift.
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Do that many of your guys actually care about 3d?

Yes, when it is as good as it is on this Sony. And don't forget this projector is certified for Nvidia 3DTV Play now too. Probably the best 3D gaming projector as well.

I do wish we were to glasses free, but I wish I had a laser instead of a bulb too.

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And that's the comparison problem JVC scales 1920 x 1080, to 3840 x 2160. A rather simple scale. Then it flashes the scaled component of that new resolution (lets call it 1920s x 1080s) separately after the original 1920 x 1080 frame, (let's call that 1920o x 1080o) is flashed. The 1920s x 1080s is e shifted over to put those pixels where they would belong on the screen if the JVC panel were 3840 x 2160. The scaling needed to be done to take 1080p to 4K (the Sony 4K panel) is much more complex horizontally. JVC's scaling is much easier. Physically shifted the new pixels generated by the scale so your eyes see them im the right place, is their licensed neat trick, E-shift.

Please don't consider this an attack but your post really reflects a complete misunderstanding as to what is going on and the comparative complexities of the various scales. Scaling to double 1920 x 1080 to 3840 x 2160 is inddeed a simple scale. but in order to get an overlapoed 3840 x 2160 using e shift the two flashed frames are simply not extracted components of the simple scale. There is massive complex processing going on especially in this years e shift 2 models. JVC has done a great joib here and I am not attacking it. It looks great but simple it is not.


The Sony offers two scales, one a simple conversion to 3840 x 2160 and then displays it using only the 3940 x 2160 portion of its 3 panels. The sides, 3.5% on either side are left unlit. The user has the option of using the full panel at 1.89 which of course is 4096 x 2160. The horizontal scale multiplier is odd , a smidge under 2.07. However, looking at the image from a scaled 1920 x 1080 to 4096 x 2160, the image looks to some even better than the 3840 scale. Of course then Sony allows its RC to be switched on and ajusted grossing processing or changing either simple scale.

When true 4K souce cointent becomes available, the JVCs unike the Sony 1000ES will become boat anchors for those wishing the better source content resolution and bit depth and belive me that content quality will blow away 1080p Bluray regardless of how large or small the display is.

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Some while ago there were suggestions--I think by you, Mark--about Sony coming out with some hardware upgrades to the VW1000ES, that would be offered for a cost.     Any update on this possibility?

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