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post #361 of 10328 Old 12-06-2011, 12:56 PM
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I thought they had previously announced $24,995.

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Talk on this forum has been $15-20k. That lines up with what Sony over here indicated the retail would likely be between. I really hope it's nothing as high as $25k, that could be a deal breaker for me unfort.

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Talk on this forum has been $15-20k. That lines up with what Sony over here indicated the retail would likely be between. I really hope it's nothing as high as $25k, that could be a deal breaker for me unfort.

MSRP has been announced here as $25K (24,995), but folks are hoping that they'll be able to get it for less than this, e.g., on various 'pre-buy' deals.
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MSRP has been announced here as $25K (24,995), but folks are hoping that they'll be able to get it for less than this, e.g., on various 'pre-buy' deals.

The problem is Avs is only getting one projector at the "pre-buy" price. If anyone knows of any other pre-buys going on, please pm me.
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Here you go, the first official review now live:

Sony VPL-VW1000 4K PJ Review

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Here you go, the first official review now live:

Sony VPL-VW1000 4K PJ Review

Thanks Kris

Will read it with my fingers crossed ( hope it is really good )


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MSRP has been announced here as $25K (24,995), but folks are hoping that they'll be able to get it for less than this, e.g., on various 'pre-buy' deals.

Yeah I see the retail now listed in the review. Geez I hope I can score a decent price via my Sony Commercial Division relationship.

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Seems the light output is quite a bit lower than I was expecting. 21fL on that size screen with 1.3 gain calculates to less than 900 Lumens. I was expecting this to be well in excess of 1000 Lumens calibrated. Am I reading the review wrong? or making a math error?
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Seems the light output is quite a bit lower than I was expecting. 21fL on that size screen with 1.3 gain calculates to less than 900 Lumens. I was expecting this to be well in excess of 1000 Lumens calibrated. Am I reading the review wrong? or making a math error?

That number surprised me too.
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Ditto. The only thing I noticed was they did quote it was pre-production unit in ref to the glitch when connected to the Integra 4K preamp..

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Reports are 1500 lumens on preproduction unit to be upped to 2000
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This unit appears to be the prototype that was shown in London recently. At that showing Sony said the final build will be 500 lumens brighter. Even being a preproduction unit, with lumens this low, I'm less optomistic that the production unit will hit the the 2000 lumens mark when calibrated.
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The review measured ~2,400:1 iris open and 152,000:1 DI which is quite strange. The iris open CR is 1/5 the CR of the VW90 TJN measured alast year. The 70x multiplier also makes no sense.

I suspect pre prod issues.
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I agree that these lumen and CR #'s are crazy. Either there some misunderstanding of what the reviewer was saying, this is a primitive protoype, or the 1000 is not going to be a very impressive product.
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Seems to me Sony took a risk by submitting a prototype for magazine review. (Home Theater Magazine- referenced above) I did find the review very interesting, and fair with respect to some shortcomings. Still, the reviewed unit had several problems such as non-functioning 3D, No CMS, deinterlacing issues, and HDMI issues to name a few. Lumens appear to be low also. I hope everyone that reads the review fully understands that this is a prototype, and not the final product!

I'm hopeful Sony will refine this unit before release. Let's hope they don't rush it. With this new technology, early adopters will probably discover issues.

Still very excited about this unit. If Sony can work out a few bugs, and achieve a solid, calibrated, real-world 1,500 Lumens with low noise, they will have a winner on their hands.
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I don't know why Sony would give a preproduction unit to a reviewer. Stupid move.

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I know it is "cool" to say I have it but honestly I would have told them NO. I would only accept a full working unit so I could be 100% fair and to remove the guessing from the equation.

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The review was done with the implicit understanding that a follow up would be conducted on a full production unit later. Think of it as a sneak peek. Tom is a very thorough reviewer so at a minimum it was a great chance for someone that knows what he's doing to give it a good run through and let Sony know what bugs he found. That certainly can't hurt!

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I don't know why Sony would give a preproduction unit to a reviewer. Stupid move.


Cine4home.de do that often ( get a sneak peak / prototype ) and then when the finish productions model is out, they take a second look to check if everything is implanted correct

For us ( customers ) it is a chance to hear/see, some off the new stuff, before it comes out - a teaser

For Sony, I think it is a good way to get some sensible feedback ( oh, Kris beated me ) and maybe bugs finding ( and maybe a little prospectively advertising too )

For reviewers, I think it is rater cool to be the first to test and lay hands on a so hot/hyped product - and it dosnt hurt that they ( Hometheater.com ) signal that they are on their feets and first with the goodies, that we are hungry after - right Kris ?


BUT I agree in that it can be a little dangerous, if people dont read and understand thats its a PRE-review off a prototype, because it could scare some customers off.......what to do !?

But I like to read them, to get a feeling off the product and what to be aware off, when it come out to the public/ us buyers


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Print has a long lead time so trying to get a review of an upcoming and coming high line product like this is hard. So we have to make do with what can be provided. It gives you a nice snapshot into what the product is capable of before you buy, and at the same time shows some possible issues that we hope are worked out before sales commence. If nothing else it is a good sneak peek on an exciting new product. Let's just hope the end product is a bit more refined!

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Along with the preview in london which featured no native 4k material, i think this 'review' wasnt a wise move.

Sony should clearly have stipulated any write up shouldnt be classed as a review, but a preview/sneek peek.

A review should only be undertaken/authorised by sony once manufacturing has started and the final product is ready to hit the shelf

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I agree.

On one hand my geek side is thankful to have any early report of a projector as exciting sounding as the Sony. But that luke-warm preview did little to generate excitement (at least in this reader), which isn't a good thing for Sony. ETA: Well, he does express some enthusiasm for the resolution and dynamic-iris-engaged black levels, which is nice. Still..a lot of caveats in there.
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I don't like to post here as it interferes with business and misinf... and cheerleading. Where is the balanced perspective?
But the rush to review a Sony $25K projector demands a common sense rebuttal, as others have stated.

3D Projector Reviews
Sony VPL-VW1000ES 4K SXRD Projector
Home Theater is pleased to bring you this exclusive first review of Sony's VPL-VW1000ES...

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. 2D Performance rated 5 stars!
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HT Labs Measures

Full-On/Full-Off Contrast Ratio: 152,000:1

then in the small print we read: "With the Advanced Iris set to off (wide open with no dynamic action) and the gamma correction on 2.2, the full-on/full-off contrast ratio dropped to 2,372:1 (21.35 ft-L full white, 0.009 ft-L full black)."

The true native on/off contrast ratio is only 2,372:1, which is pathetic even compared to Sony's latest affordable projectors. Further Home Theater should label the "remarkable" absurd, pumped-up 152,000:1 contrast as DYNAMIC CONTRAST.
The 2K native contrast is even not listed as a con. 5 stars? Hello?
http://www.hometheater.com/content/s...-labs-measures

Contrast this to the Sharp 17000 DLP selling for about $3.2K. Home Theater Magazine correctly rates its mediocre 1.5K contrast ratio as a con with "Middling black level and contrast"
http://www.hometheater.com/content/s...-dlp-projector

Acting under a remarkable similar situation, note the high road Projector Central took:
"The review sample HC7800 we received (at our request) is a late stage pre-production unit, which at the time we requested it was anticipated to be available several weeks before production samples. We look at pre-production samples under one condition: if we see an issue in the pre-production sample that the vendor says is resolved in production units, then we want to see a sample of the production unit before going to press. And that is what we have happening at the moment. The good news is that Mitsubishi has just confirmed this morning that a production sample HC7800 can be delivered to us on Tuesday."
http://www.projectorcentral.com/proj...8&entry_id=476
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Well, HiFiFun, I'm afraid I agree with you. The Sony 95ES has been reported to have a NATIVE o/f CR of ~ 15k to 20K:1 IIRC--not as good as the JVC's but much better than what HT reports for the 1000. The 1000 cannot perform less well than the 95 when it appears, or else it will be a laughing stock.

But I'm sure that Sony knows this and will deal with it.
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Wow, this is funny. As dj points out, others do previews. I liked the reading the preview, but understand it is a preview. I can't believe anyone even mentioned PJC as a high road standard bearer.

Kris, what is the deal with native on/off cr? That reading does seem a bit odd.

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Wow, this is funny. As dj points out, others do previews. I liked the reading the preview, but understand it is a preview. I can't believe anyone even mentioned PJC as a high road standard bearer.Kris, what is the deal with native on/off cr? That reading does seem a bit odd.

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Is there a lens cover?
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Is there a lens cover?

I think I read somewhere that there is an electric/auto lense cover, but from the photos I don't see it. On review of the photos...anybody identify where the iec power inlet is on the 1000? I don't see it on the side or rear of the unit.
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