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The Issues with the 4K server coming and going can be resolved by getting rid of the most likely Netgear R6300 Router.. In the last few weeks we had customers complaining of the Ztab and Server dropping out.. This was driving me nuts so I went to my closest customer who was having the issue and installed the new Netgear Nighthawk router and pulled out the R6300 and Voila 100% solid Server connection and the Ztab has never since dropped out.

There is something with the Netgear R series that totally causes wifi drop outs and the Ztab just stops working. If you have an R Series Router and your using Sony's 4K solution get rid of it and try the Nighthawk from net gear or a Linksys works better as well..

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Upgrade Kits ?

Guys - I have a bunch of upgrade kits of order and the Sony rep doesn't seem to know when they are going to release them again. He says they are held up in Japan.. Any ideas ?

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Again? Do you mean when they are going to release them. The holdup can't be the puck, the tablet or the bulb. It has to be the board and/or the tech system, I hope they are holding up for the 18 GBS chip, that would be sweet> But I have no info to indicate that is happening but something is going on and Sony is not shipping the 1100ES either. They keep putting it off by a week.

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Again? Do you mean when they are going to release them. The holdup can't be the puck, the tablet or the bulb. It has to be the board and/or the tech system, I hope they are holding up for the 18 GBS chip, that would be sweet> But I have no info to indicate that is happening but something is going on and Sony is not shipping the 1100ES either. They keep putting it off by a week.

Sony had a meeting today to discuss this very issue. Said they would get back with me next week regarding the upgrades. Don't know what is going on.

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And this time, today, they put the 1100ES off for three more weeks. Something is brewing and I suspect it means better for us than worse.

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Looks like I'm back in line....smile.gif
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As a person who is looking to buy his first projector, all of this (the JVC issues, the secret Sony upgrades, etc.) is very exciting to follow. smile.gifcool.giftongue.gifbiggrin.gif
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Guys, I'm just speculating based on all the delays...I know nor have heard nothing...I don't want to give the wrong impression...
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Maybe they decided that the upgrade cost to us was too cheep, so they are debating a price increase.eek.gif
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Guys, I'm just speculating based on all the delays...I know nor have heard nothing...I don't want to give the wrong impression...

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Naw. I don't think that is it but then again. Maybe they now are thinking about having units shipped back to Lorado for the upgrade or something like that. That would save them a lot of money. All I can say is that something is going on based on the delays. Sending techs out to the boonies will be very expensive. Maybe they are having second thoughts on that. Now this thread has life again. We can speculate whatever based on nothing more than a two or three month delay and now a delay of three more weeks in the shipping of the 1100ES. It sounds like they are making more changes to the mother board. Maybe the 18 GBS chips are coming and maybe both HDMI inputs will have HDCP 2.2 protection. This is great. The end result could be just a delay and getting what we thought we were going to get. And nobody knows or even pretends to know.

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Maybe they now are thinking about having units shipped back to Lorado for the upgrade or something like that.

No, I'm not going to have my projector shipped across country being bounced, dropped and things dropped on it.
My 1000 shipping box was totally destroyed when it arrived from AVS and AVS couldn't get a replacement box from Sony for me.
I will press Sony to let me install the board myself if they don't come out to install it.
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There would be a massive poop storm if they tried to switch the upgrade to a ship- out scenario. The upgrade was promoted and sold as an in-home upgrade and they accepted orders based on that.
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This is interesting, as I have a kit and a motherboard. I've had it for almost two weeks. Sony must have ran into a problem after releasing the first batch of boards. I'm not a beta tester like Thrang, so Sony must have thought things were ready to go when they shipped mine to AVS. FWIW, I have a very low serial number, and I think I got one of the first three or so units sold by AVS.

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Naw. I don't think that is it but then again. Maybe they now are thinking about having units shipped back to Lorado for the upgrade or something like that. That would save them a lot of money. All I can say is that something is going on based on the delays. Sending techs out to the boonies will be very expensive. Maybe they are having second thoughts on that. Now this thread has life again. We can speculate whatever based on nothing more than a two or three month delay and now a delay of three more weeks in the shipping of the 1100ES. It sounds like they are making more changes to the mother board. Maybe the 18 GBS chips are coming and maybe both HDMI inputs will have HDCP 2.2 protection. This is great. The end result could be just a delay and getting what we thought we were going to get. And nobody knows or even pretends to know.

Hmm that would be rather interesting if they made a change up to the 18gbps chips now after the first 1100's like mine have been in the wild since the end of November. Me thinks Sony would owe me an a board swap to the newer chip. Let's see what happens with the delayed VW1100 roll out over the next few weeks and what comes of the possibilities brought up here..

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How many people have had the upgrade done? How many have paid for and received the kit? How many have purchased and received an 1100ES? If these numbers are low, it would make sense for Sony to take care of them for free rather than put the larger number of folks through two MB upgrades. At least, that's what I'm hoping is behind this decision to delay more kits/upgrades and 1100ES deliveries. It would certainly be a very nice surprise for them to improve the upgrade with two 18 GB ports and do it right the first time!

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How many people have had the upgrade done? How many have paid for and received the kit? How many have purchased and received an 1100ES? If these numbers are low, it would make sense for Sony to take care of them for free rather than put the larger number of folks through two MB upgrades. At least, that's what I'm hoping is behind this decision to delay more kits/upgrades and 1100ES deliveries. It would certainly be a very nice surprise for them to improve the upgrade with two 18 GB ports and do it right the first time!

I question whether with a company the size of Sony, they would do this with the projector product line, i.e. stop production to implement a chipset change. Anyway, time will tell soon enough. Meanwhile I'll keep watching my X1.

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it's actually strange this situation.. 1100 has arrived to the a seller in Italy
and Tomorrow he is going to compare it to the 500 in a public event..

.. and Kraine has got one as well...
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I would not be holding my breath for the new chips. I am concerned that they want to change how they are going to do this.

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I am just postulating. I really don't have a clue just trying to guess what is going on. Obviously, Sony could retrofit a running change into the few 1100 units delivered overseas. Likewise a board swap out could be done for the very very few beta upgrades done to the 1000ES so far and the few that have the kit awaiting the tech.

Joerod. I gather you know nothing about what is going on?

Steve, Thrang has had the upgrade done. Ben has the kit but nothing about a tech being scheduled. I think AVS may have shipped one or two more kits but I don't know if or to who. But nothing has happened re getting them installed. I think a few dealers around the country have received a kit or two but the silence is deafening. Overseas a few 1100ES have been shipped. That's my summary based on anecdotal evidence.

Suppose Sony is now using the 18GBS chips. How would we know. What would be different that we could discover? What immediate benefit over the 10.2 chips?

I think the upgrade delay is a tech network thing. Logistics. A tech to Anchorage. Of course all the tech does is screw and unscrew, edge connectors on and off and extract, process, and inject software etc. No meters, calibration, nothing. Only skills required are computer related.


But then why the 1100ES delay in the States.

that sounds like revisions to the board.


And if Sony wants to give up on home installs of upgrades, it certainly can and has that right. If one doesn't like it they can pass. you can be mad as one likes but Sony can do it if they want to. I am not saying that is what is happening, just saying to me its a possibility. I think we will discover that Sony won't send techs to really remote locations but will require shipment back to Lorado for those. Just guessing.

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And if Sony wants to give up on home installs of upgrades, it certainly can and has that right. If one doesn't like it they can pass. you can be mad as one likes but Sony can do it if they want to. I am not saying that is what is happening, just saying to me its a possibility. I think we will discover that Sony won't send techs to really remote locations but will require shipment back to Lorado for those. Just guessing.

If this happens you can count me out on the upgrade also. I'm not going to take a chance on shipping my projector for this upgrade. I went through 3 projectors to get a good one the first time.
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I suspect they are losing money on the upgrade package and will not be upset if customers opt out on the upgrade. Of course, I don't know.

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Why would they ship (and charge for) upgrade kits with no definite plan on doing the install...what a mess.

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.. and Kraine has got one as well...



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If Sony were to require the projector to be sent in, the price structure should be changed. You should be able to send it in to do only the board swap and not have to purchase the tablet and server. Also the time period should be changed to allow the upgrade to be done after the 4K Blu-ray standards are set. Also, there should be no need for dealers to be involved and the charges should be paid directly to Sony.
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Steve, Thrang has had the upgrade done. Ben has the kit but nothing about a tech being scheduled. I think AVS may have shipped one or two more kits but I don't know if or to who. But nothing has happened re getting them installed. I think a few dealers around the country have received a kit or two but the silence is deafening. Overseas a few 1100ES have been shipped. That's my summary based on anecdotal evidence.

That's exactly my point, it sounds like there are only a handful of upgrades already performed and 1100ES sold to customers. Any 1100 projectors can be recalled from dealers and any MBs delivered to customers can be swapped with new news by their dealers or the Tech when they arrive. The rest can easily be handled with a free upgrade. That's a very limited cost compared to having to upgrade every 1100ES sold later and upgrade the 1000ES projectors twice in one year. This would certainly make sense if Sony also knows that any future 4KBD will require 18 GB throughput.

Still, this is all conjecture since no one knows or is talking. I'm just wishful thinking. Changing the upgrade method also means that most of us will be out a projector for weeks. Not very good PR either after we're expecting in-home service.

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Its really not a big mess. They really can do whatever they want and feel is in their best interest. They can bundle anything they want. They could send a tech out to the few that already have the full kit. They can change the procedures. Sony could just treat it as a service issue and cut retail out including its own stores. They can do anything they want to.

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