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You don't need the tablet except for the 84 incher and the projector. There are separate directions for the 84 incher, the projectors, and the other Sony 4K panels. You do not use the tablet to control or set up the 4K panelsept for the 84 incher.
* with caveat being unless you are an infidel renegade such as me. Outside US, all of the panels (once u have implemented my VPN workaround), still require the tablet to act as the remote.
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Since I already have a puck associated with a 4K 65" panel do you think I will have any trouble using the same puck with my pj once the upgrade is done and I have a tablet?

Yep. I swap pucks at will, no issues. Handy due to fact with secondary puck I can't be bothered to replicate downloading any of my other purchases to it given the time it takes. I may offload it for this reason since it's easy enough to carry one puck around the house.

For those with 2 pucks be aware the tablet app can be finicky when swapping between pucks on the network smoothly. So make sure both are on already instead of trying to remote start from the app all the time or you may get occasional connection errors.

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I am not having any luck with this. frown.gif

Thanks for trying Mike. I've read here that Sony monitors the forums. Hopefully someone from Sony will appreciate that the CFM spec is extremely important for those of us looking to put the projector into an enclosure. Would be nice if they can figure it out if they don't have the data on hand. Though, I would guess that whoever is providing them the fans that they use would know the CFM spec on the intake / exhaust fan.
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Thanks for trying Mike. I've read here that Sony monitors the forums. Hopefully someone from Sony will appreciate that the CFM spec is extremely important for those of us looking to put the projector into an enclosure. Would be nice if they can figure it out if they don't have the data on hand. Though, I would guess that whoever is providing them the fans that they use would know the CFM spec on the intake / exhaust fan.

Best bet, may be to look at the fans, when the projector gets the upgrade. smile.gif

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Thanks for trying Mike. I've read here that Sony monitors the forums. Hopefully someone from Sony will appreciate that the CFM spec is extremely important for those of us looking to put the projector into an enclosure. Would be nice if they can figure it out if they don't have the data on hand. Though, I would guess that whoever is providing them the fans that they use would know the CFM spec on the intake / exhaust fan.

Aren't the installers you are using extremely well regarded in your eyes from what you said a few days back? If so and they have a lot of custom install experience, I would have thought properly ventilated projector enclosures would be something they were very familiar with. If not, depending where you live exactly, I'd be calling another HT specialist to sort out your enclosure requirements specifically.

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Thanks for trying Mike. I've read here that Sony monitors the forums. Hopefully someone from Sony will appreciate that the CFM spec is extremely important for those of us looking to put the projector into an enclosure. Would be nice if they can figure it out if they don't have the data on hand. Though, I would guess that whoever is providing them the fans that they use would know the CFM spec on the intake / exhaust fan.

I installed my pj in a closet that has a common wall with the living room.

Here you can see the lens cover and a small bit of the pj through the hole I cut in the living room wall.

All of the air intakes are around the lens and along part of the front bottom of the pj so this size hole allows for pleanty of air to get into the pj air intakes.

Be aware that a hole this size is not large enough for the remote control sensor to work except from one side of the room and renders the 3D Sync Transmitter useless.



In the closet wall I cut a hole behind the pj air outlets which did a good job of letting hot air out of the closet but the temperature inside the closet was still too warm to ensure a cool operating environment.

To increase the air flow out of the closet I got two fans and a thermostat from http://www.hometheatercooling.com/index.html and set them at either end of the vent out of the closet.



Here all the way to the right you can see the thermostat which I have set for 80 degrees so the ambient temperature in the closet never gets above that.



It was a tight squeeze getting the pj to fit in the closet as you can see here but with the vent allowing the pj exhaust fans an exit path from the closet and the two fans moving an additional 100 cubic feet a minute of hot air out of the closet all is well.



The fan vendor's website covers a number of installation scenarios so if your enclosure is not covered they offer additional assistance over the phone. http://www.hometheatercooling.com/installation.html#brand

Aligborat, what does your planned enclosure look like?
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The problem is with the studio and their contracts with the source providers and royalty holders etc. They are now giving one movie for free, I forget what it is. I don't really care. There were only one or two of the free movies that interested me anyway and I can spend $60 buying them. I just had to spend 4300 on a larger blower for my Viking telescoping vent that I needed to replace because the parts are no longer available. So new vent plus a larger exhaust blower for it because the saleman sold me the wrong size cheaper one.

Sony TVs will be a thing of the past within two years. That's a given with the establishment of a separate packaged subsidiary for the Sony TV division. .projectors are a drop in the bucket for sony. Though that will survive. the money making is by the studio and they are calling the shots. the new server will be for it and sony's streaming partners.

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For projector box cooling, check out the CoolCube from Active Thermal Managment. http://www.activethermal.com/page33.html Dennis Erskine recommended it for my build. I ended up not putting the projector in a box, but if you do, this seems to be a great way to go.

Here is a download for how to build a proper box, configure the box, and set up the CoolCube.
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There are a lot of other downloads that cover equipment cabinets, etc. They are good reads, if cooling is an issue.

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I just received my 1100 upgrade yesterday. When I hooked it up the first thing I noticed was the loss of my previously gorgeous deep blacks. The Oppo intro screen while still black look like there was a light on.

I assumed that the settings on the projector were lost during the upgrade. So, I first checked them, but all settings were preserved.

I next put in a copy of Disney Wow to quickly check contrast and brightness. They were way off. I had to adjust brightness down from 52 (original setting) to 37 to see the appropriate levels of black. I could never get whites that should not be showing to disappear no matter what setting I made. My contrast is sat at 98. I had a similar problem of not being able to get the brighter than whites to disappear before because I had my Lumagen 2041 HDMI setting to RGB instead of YCbCR 422. I checked this too.

Next I bypassed the lumagen going from the Oppo 105 directly to HDMI 1 on the Sony. No difference.

If I cannot get the black levels corrected, I am going to hate this upgrade. The picture was beautiful prior to the upgrade.

Any help is appreciated.

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Today I received an email invoice that my CC card has been charged for the 1000 upgrade; so it is presumably 'in the mail'. Others are probably also getting these notices. No info yet re how/when the upgrade itself will proceed.
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I just received my 1100 upgrade yesterday. When I hooked it up the first thing I noticed was the loss of my previously gorgeous deep blacks. The Oppo intro screen while still black look like there was a light on.

I assumed that the settings on the projector were lost during the upgrade. So, I first checked them, but all settings were preserved.

I next put in a copy of Disney Wow to quickly check contrast and brightness. They were way off. I had to adjust brightness down from 52 (original setting) to 37 to see the appropriate levels of black. I could never get whites that should not be showing to disappear no matter what setting I made. My contrast is sat at 98. I had a similar problem of not being able to get the brighter than whites to disappear before because I had my Lumagen 2041 HDMI setting to RGB instead of YCbCR 422. I checked this too.

Next I bypassed the lumagen going from the Oppo 105 directly to HDMI 1 on the Sony. No difference.

If I cannot get the black levels corrected, I am going to hate this upgrade. The picture was beautiful prior to the upgrade.

Any help is appreciated.

Sounds like you have HDMI set to full rather than limited?
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Sounds like you have HDMI set to full rather than limited?

THAT WAS IT!! THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!. Video quality is back!!

I will report later on my over all thoughts. My first comments are:

  • There are very few movies available for download.
  • I am upset that I was mislead by Sony that we would get ten free movies.
  • Rental price is fair, but you only get access to the movie for 24 hours. It takes me 8hrs to download it. So, rentals are pointless.
  • All of my families tablets have managed to be taken over by our children. It is sure nice to have my own now, because it is for my theater:)

Again thank you!

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Today I received an email invoice that my CC card has been charged for the 1000 upgrade; so it is presumably 'in the mail'. Others are probably also getting these notices. No info yet re how/when the upgrade itself will proceed.

I have contacted Sony with the new names of those that have kits on their way to them.

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So they really did stiff us on the free movies because they couldn't get the upgrades done in time. What happened to the speculation that there would be something comparable to replace that offer?

I don't really care that the puck may be a stop-gap, quality isn't good, etc, the point was we know there were users that got bumped up for various reasons on the install, paid the same amount as those of us that pre-ordered but didn't get installed in time, and get short-changed. And as previously discusssed, it was NOT just people that post here and not just people that might be considered beta testers.

Just not a smart thing for Sony to do.

I have to agree with this sentiment. Instead of 10 movies, we only get one (Elysium) because Sony ES delayed the upgrade and Sony is the one bundling the player with the MB upgrade for no other reason than to push hardware that's not selling. mad.gif

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THAT WAS IT!! THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!. Video quality is back!!

I will report later on my over all thoughts. My first comments are:

  • There are very few movies available for download.
  • I am upset that I was mislead by Sony that we would get ten free movies.
  • Rental price is fair, but you only get access to the movie for 24 hours. It takes me 8hrs to download it. So, rentals are pointless.
  • All of my families tablets have managed to be taken over by our children. It is sure nice to have my own now, because it is for my theater:)

Again thank you!
I was talking to mike G today about your problem. I guessed that it was the HDMI setting but when I tried it before posting I saw my HDMI was set on auto. I tried switching it to full and limited with practically no difference in a pluge pattern from my Lumagen. Mine of course right now is still a 1000 So I concluded that wasn't your problem..i

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I spent 3.5 hours last night with viewing the new VW1100. Here are my initial thoughts on video quality:

  • After fully calibrating my Lumagen 2041 with CalMan Blu-Ray discs look stunning. They look so good that I was expecting 4k to be a sizeable or at least noticeable improvement. To me, 4K did not meet even my low expectations. There absolutely no Wow factor with the 4k Sony material. Yes it looked good, but possibly not as good as Blu-Ray Lumagen combo.
  • I watched several short clips and a bit of Elysium. I had already watched Elysium on blu-ray last month. I would not have rented the blu-ray if I new Sony was giving that movie. To me the Blu-ray version was a show piece and from my memory was better.
  • Maybe the auto-cal CMS of the Lumagen makes the picture "pop" more.

I am still happy to have the upgrade, but am concerned that now that Sony may be spinning off their TV division, the Sony puck will fade away.

What are the chances that we can buy a new DVD player that will support HEVC and it will show on our Sony 1100. Is it possible that our new 1100 is already incompatible with current technology??

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I put a message in asking about the 10 movies that were included with the FMP when we originally ordered the Upgrade Kits. Nothing against Elysium but I am pretty sure the majority would prefer the other ten. I will keep all posted.

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I have contacted Sony with the new names of those that have kits on their way to them.

Thx, Milke. So will we hear from Sony, or from you, about scheduling the upgrade? Will they call us, or do we call them (and who, etc.)? (I suppose all this will be clear in due course.)
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Mike told me that he has to schedule the upgrade for us a little while ago.
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Still using the Sharp xv-z20000 (7 years now).

Thinking of upgrade to either Sony VPL-VW600ES or possibly VPL-VW1100ES (barely affordable).

Between these 2 machines, all I know is 600ES uses plastic front lense, and therefore may affect the sharpness, but besides of that (plus brightness), any advantage that the 1100ES has over the 600ES ?

Also in real audition, is there a big difference in term of image quality ?

Thanks for any comment.
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search Zombie's posts.. he has both and has compared.

Sharpness, brightness, native contrast / black level are the 1000's advantages. How large those advantages are, I dont know.
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Still using the Sharp xv-z20000 (7 years now).

Thinking of upgrade to either Sony VPL-VW600ES or possibly VPL-VW1100ES (barely affordable).

Between these 2 machines, all I know is 600ES uses plastic front lense, and therefore may affect the sharpness, but besides of that (plus brightness), any advantage that the 1100ES has over the 600ES ?

Also in real audition, is there a big difference in term of image quality ?

Thanks for any comment.


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IMO no,

The 1100 is better ( sharper, better focus, more on/off , ansi and intrascene contrast , better Black level, more silent ) , but not for the Money, so if price dosnt matter at ALL - take the 1100, but if Money do matter ( as your post say´s and do for most off us ) you will get close to the quality off the 1100 with the 500/600 for a lot less Money. ( IMO "about 90 %" or so, if we use some silly "numbers"

BTW. I own a 1100 smile.gif and is happy with it, but it is NOT about 10.000,- dollars better IMO.

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A used 1000 should be about the same price as the 600, in case you want to go that route. The warranty is transferable. Could also buy one from someone that has already checked it and/or swapped it out a time or two in search of a great copy.

If somehow AVS ever gets another B stock 1000 I suggest jumping on that immediately.
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just got a call from the sony update guy..he is planning to fly out here to seattle area to do the upgrade...from michigan! seems sony let a few guys go who covered the pacific nw area.
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Replaced my lamp in the 1000ES tonight; couldn't wait for the upgrade kit (will keep that lamp for future use). This is my second, and last, lamp via a Mack Warranty (what a deal!), and it was a trooper! Has 2670 hrs on it and still putting out ~ 670 lumens (high lamp, of course); will be a great back up.

The new one I've just put in measures 1210 lumens in high lamp and 870 in low lamp. This is in Ref preset, calibrated, etc. In low lamp this gives me ~ 32 ftL off my HIPower screen in 17x9 configuration (136x72).

So i think I'm set for lamps for the next 3 years (meaning no upgrades until at least then).
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Mike told me that he has to schedule the upgrade for us a little while ago.


My Sony upgrade kit arrived yesterday. So I am guessing by the above statement that my dealer has to call Sony to schedule the install?

Little disappointed to hear there is only one movie not the ten... but I am not sure I will use the puck or not. Guess I will know more when it is set up. I really just wanted to make sure that my projector was not going to be outdated for the large investment I made, and thanks to Sony offering this kit it won't be obsolete.

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Replaced my lamp in the 1000ES tonight; couldn't wait for the upgrade kit (will keep that lamp for future use). This is my second, and last, lamp via a Mack Warranty (what a deal!), and it was a trooper! Has 2670 hrs on it and still putting out ~ 670 lumens (high lamp, of course); will be a great back up.

The new one I've just put in measures 1210 lumens in high lamp and 870 in low lamp. This is in Ref preset, calibrated, etc. In low lamp this gives me ~ 32 ftL off my HIPower screen in 17x9 configuration (136x72).

So i think I'm set for lamps for the next 3 years (meaning no upgrades until at least then).

How much of that time was run in low?

I have 70 hours on the original lamp (low is plenty on my HP), I don't think I'll need a replacement for quite some time.. biggrin.gif
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How much of that time was run in low?

I have 70 hours on the original lamp (low is plenty on my HP), I don't think I'll need a replacement for quite some time.. biggrin.gif

Sorry, don't remember exactly when I switched to High lamp; probably at ~ 1500 hrs.

Only 70 hrs? How long have you had the 1000? Seems that I'm averaging ~ 2000 hrs/yr; and yes, I'm (semi-)retired!
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Sorry, don't remember exactly when I switched to High lamp; probably at ~ 1500 hrs.

Only 70 hrs? How long have you had the 1000? Seems that I'm averaging ~ 2000 hrs/yr; and yes, I'm (semi-)retired!

since early November, but I have a number of other projectors here that I use for casual viewing. I know I'll be racking up the hours playing around with the 4K player. Also I've been using it for 3D lately. I'm not a fan of the Sony glasses but I recently switched to the latest Optoma RF glasses and they work great + more comfortable.

I'm hoping the RF Sony glasses will work after the motherboard update, but I don't think anyone has confirmed this yet.
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For me, the best thing about the upgrade so far has been the size of the main shipping box. It was the perfect size and sturdy enough for some kitchen items that we took to Goodwill.

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For me, the best thing about the upgrade so far has been the size of the main shipping box. It was the perfect size and sturdy enough for some kitchen items that we took to Goodwill.

Not a very inspiring motivation for upgrading. But I too doubt that I'll make use of the puck, so it's really just the new motherboard and ancillary FW updates (and the lamp).

PS Really looking forward to 4K BD.
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