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Good to know. The place I ordered from didn't carry anything shorter than the 60 footer, so that is what I got. They were $100 cheaper than what Celerity wants for the 30 footer from their site, though, and could ship immediately. I should have it tomorrow. Plus if I ever move to a projector in a booth behind my current room, I will have plenty of cable length to get there without buying something else. Again, assuming this fixes the noise issue. Back it goes if it doesn't.
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FYI

You can save some dollars by ordering the new Sony FMP-X10 from Amazon instead of Sony.
They are offering the same preorder discount
If you have Amazon Prime the shipping is free and no sales tax
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You can save some dollars by ordering the new Sony FMP-X10 from Amazon instead of Sony.
They are offering the same preorder discount
If you have Amazon Prime the shipping is free and no sales tax
Amazon does collect sales tax now, at least in certain jurisdictions...
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Amazon does collect sales tax now, at least in certain jurisdictions...
In my case I saved the sales tax. Almost $50.00
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Amazon does collect sales tax now, at least in certain jurisdictions...
If the "store" you buy from has an outlet in your State you will be charged sales tax. If they don't you will not pay sales tax.

For orders that come from Amazon LLC I am charged sales tax now too, perhaps because they have a fulfillment center in my State?

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If the "store" you buy from has an outlet in your State you will be charged sales tax. If they don't you will not pay sales tax.

For orders that come from Amazon LLC I am charged sales tax now too, perhaps because they have a fulfillment center in my State?
I did not know that different locations were charged differently

Sony FMPX10 4K Ultra HD Media Player (Exclusively compatible with Sony 4K Ultra HD TVs)

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More and more states are striking deals with major online retailers to collect state sales tax - NJ has for over a year, I think NY as well...not sure where else...but the tax benefit of online purchasing will continue to diminish I think.

As noted, the it's a third party seller on amazon, they are not compelled to collect the state tax unless they operate in that state
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Celerity optical hdmi works fine...a friend has it on a Sony 95es/Integra processor. Other than one of the hdmi end connectors needing to be replaced, it has performed well. As you know, since it is optical, it should break the ground loop.
It should? It will unless there other other electrical connections causing the ground loop.

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It "should" if the loop was solely isolated to the hdmi cable, first without then with all other connections made. If not, and the loop is caused by electrical connections or other signal connections, then it will remain. I thought the description was pointing the loop solely to the hdmi. I had to track down a ground loop in my theater and it was a real pain to isolate. After process and elimination, it ended up being a defective amp...so you never know.

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That's one of the drawbacks to MadVR scaling. It's very demanding. My GTX 690 definitely ramps up quite a bit when it does the scaling to 4K. I think you definitely need an expensive graphics card to use JINC and NNEDI3 scaling. The cost of a PC needed to do this costs almost as much as a Lumagen, but there's a ton of other functionality the PC has. It helps justify the high cost a bit more. Though, fan noise becomes quite a bit louder from my GPU. I haven't taken a peek at the GPU percent usage MadVR is utilizing, but I think I will tonight. I may upgrade with nvidia releases it's 8xx line of GPUs if it means quieter performance when it's under a load.
Everything with MadVR was looking pretty easily until NNEDI3 came along. But now suddenly GFX cards are being made to sweat with the new upscaling algorithms. I had contemplated moving back to Nvidia for HTPC, but I've heard around the traps in other threads here that the Radeons are a tad better at running OpenCL which NNEDI3 uses. The nuisance being AMD don't have a 60Hz 4K output solution like Nvidia have developed. If you're buying an off the shelf PC and speccing it maybe you'd get to the cost of a Lumagen, but there's no way my Shuttle XPC or Silverstone/MSI/Devils Canyon i5 based mini-itx PC will owe me anything like say a Lumagen 2143, even if I were to put say a GTX Titan in one to handle processing duties.

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Everything with MadVR was looking pretty easily until NNEDI3 came along. But now suddenly GFX cards are being made to sweat with the new upscaling algorithms. I had contemplated moving back to Nvidia for HTPC, but I've heard around the traps in other threads here that the Radeons are a tad better at running OpenCL which NNEDI3 uses. The nuisance being AMD don't have a 60Hz 4K output solution like Nvidia have developed. If you're buying an off the shelf PC and speccing it maybe you'd get to the cost of a Lumagen, but there's no way my Shuttle XPC or Silverstone/MSI/Devils Canyon i5 based mini-itx PC will owe me anything like say a Lumagen 2143, even if I were to put say a GTX Titan in one to handle processing duties.
How much does a 2143 cost? I just went on newegg and put together a pretty typical mini-itx "gaming" grade PC powerful enough for MadVR duties. This includes an Intel 4770K, nvidia GTX Titan black (though you could go a little cheaper), 16GB of RAM, Silverstone Mini-ITX case, 650 watt modular PSU, 120GB SSD for your OS, a 2TB harddrive, a mini-ITX motherboard, and bluray drive. It costs roughly $2100. You make it sound as if the lumagen is way more expensive than this. If that's the case, I don't understand why anyone would buy one especially when the functionality and feature set of the PC is miles higher than something like a lumagen. Arguably the single greatest feature the Lumagen has is the color management/calibration suite, but there are options on the PC as well albeit less refined. If you were to have a bunch of harddrives attached to your PC, load your bluray collection onto it, utilize front end software like XBMC or JRiver you can have a Kaleidescape-like experience with all the benefits a modern PC media media player has like MadVR rendering and upscaling, FFDShow and LAVs video and audio decoders, the option in the media player to tweak everything to the nth degree all in the form factor of the size of a shoebox. I just think it's amazing that you can do almost everything home theater enthusiasts need on the modern PC. Lumagen knows there is still a crowd out there that think "PC's are difficult to set up" or "PC's are faulty" or "PCs are unstable" which is a total misconception. Reliability and stability issues are a thing of the past and if you can understand how to set up a Lumagen properly then you can definitely set up something like MadVR and the media player using it. I think anyone buying the Lumagen for the sole purpose of scaling should really reconsider. I understand completely that the calibration suite for some is worth the Lumagen's weight in gold and if that's the reason you're buying it, then more power to you. I just think for everything else, there are far cheaper, and in some cases, better options out there on a PC.

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How much does a 2143 cost? I just went on newegg and put together a pretty typical mini-itx "gaming" grade PC powerful enough for MadVR duties. This includes an Intel 4770K, nvidia GTX Titan black (though you could go a little cheaper), 16GB of RAM, Silverstone Mini-ITX case, 650 watt modular PSU, 120GB SSD for your OS, a 2TB harddrive, a mini-ITX motherboard, and bluray drive. It costs roughly $2200. You make it sound as if the lumagen is way more expensive than this. If that's the case, I don't understand why anyone would buy one especially when the functionality and feature set of the PC is miles higher than something like a lumagen. Arguably the single greatest feature the Lumagen has is the color management/calibration suite, but there are options on the PC as well albeit less refined. If you were to have a bunch of harddrives attached to your PC, load your bluray collection onto it, utilize front end software like XBMC or JRiver you can have a Kaleidescape-like experience with all the benefits a modern PC media media player has like MadVR rendering and upscaling, FFDShow and LAVs video and audio decoders, the option in the media player to tweak everything to the nth degree all in the form factor of the size of a shoebox. I just think it's amazing that you can do almost everything home theater enthusiasts need on the modern PC. Lumagen knows there is still a crowd out there that think "PC's are difficult to set up" or "PC's are faulty" or "PCs are unstable" which is a total misconception. Reliability and stability issues are a thing of the past and if you can understand how to set up a Lumagen properly then you can definitely set up something like MadVR and the media player using it.
The 2143 retails for $3195 at the moment. So literally the PC setup is $1000 less by using what you just specced up on NewEgg. I think there is a market though, not forgetting that it's a lot easier to plug and play a Lumagen for any source upscaling you want, encrypted PayTV for example. I am still considering that I'll probably end up with one eventually myself. For now though, considering the masses of 720p and 1080p content which I view via HTPC on a daily basis, it's no brainer to have a trick MadVR set up running, which will only get better when I finally move it full-time 4K output.


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I suppose I'm looking at the situation from the viewpoint of how I view media. I view everything from my PC. So for someone who's been using a blu-ray player and only standalone devices for the last 6+ years I can see making the jump from "plug and play" to "I have to set a few things up/not quite as convenient" as a bit of a problem. Also, this specific thread, who's comprised of people who can afford a $25000 projector probably isn't the best place for my soapbox and I'm sure I'll get some backlash for my comments. I'm only 25 so that puts me at a big disadvantage to most of the folks posting in this thread who don't necessarily conform to my financial situation. I'm just out of college with about 2 years at my first "real" job and making some decent cash, but not enough to buy something like the 1000ES brand-new. I say this because it's the reason I value my PC so much. I get so much functionality and value from it at the expense of "plug and play". For me, right now at least, I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of my time to set things up if that means I can get on-par processing performance compared to the lumagen. For others (in this thread especially) who have the extra cash I completely understand that they value the convenience of plug and play just as much as I value the the slightly more tedious cheaper method. That's a totally legitimate stance.

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How much does a 2143 cost? I just went on newegg and put together a pretty typical mini-itx "gaming" grade PC powerful enough for MadVR duties. This includes an Intel 4770K, nvidia GTX Titan black (though you could go a little cheaper), 16GB of RAM, Silverstone Mini-ITX case, 650 watt modular PSU, 120GB SSD for your OS, a 2TB harddrive, a mini-ITX motherboard, and bluray drive. It costs roughly $2100. You make it sound as if the lumagen is way more expensive than this. If that's the case, I don't understand why anyone would buy one especially when the functionality and feature set of the PC is miles higher than something like a lumagen. Arguably the single greatest feature the Lumagen has is the color management/calibration suite, but there are options on the PC as well albeit less refined. If you were to have a bunch of harddrives attached to your PC, load your bluray collection onto it, utilize front end software like XBMC or JRiver you can have a Kaleidescape-like experience with all the benefits a modern PC media media player has like MadVR rendering and upscaling, FFDShow and LAVs video and audio decoders, the option in the media player to tweak everything to the nth degree all in the form factor of the size of a shoebox. I just think it's amazing that you can do almost everything home theater enthusiasts need on the modern PC. Lumagen knows there is still a crowd out there that think "PC's are difficult to set up" or "PC's are faulty" or "PCs are unstable" which is a total misconception. Reliability and stability issues are a thing of the past and if you can understand how to set up a Lumagen properly then you can definitely set up something like MadVR and the media player using it. I think anyone buying the Lumagen for the sole purpose of scaling should really reconsider. I understand completely that the calibration suite for some is worth the Lumagen's weight in gold and if that's the reason you're buying it, then more power to you. I just think for everything else, there are far cheaper, and in some cases, better options out there on a PC.
Oh how I wish this were true for me and others I know...I have found Windows in general and Media PC's specifically to be a continually unreliable and frustrating platform, and you feel like an IT tech support person more than an av enthusiast after a while. Two fellow hobbyists I know came to the same conclusion and ditched their PC's except for ripping.

I'm guessing very few people are watching content solely from a PC, so a Lumagen offers far more flexibility. I have about six sources (three funnel through a matrix switch, so only occupying one Lumagen input)

I've looked at the pc based scalers, and they are definitely more complicated than using a Lumagen. And with the autocal feature of Chromapure, it's become extremely easy to recalibrate every few hundred hours if I wish to compensate for the aging lamp in the 1100, in 10-30 minute depending upon how fine of a calibration I want.

For me, the best scenario is to use Anydvd to rip to a Synology server, use MyMovies to catalog and tag everything, and rely on the Dune Smart players (full BD menu support) for playback and easy search and control through the MyMovies iPad app. No 3d, but frankly, I haven't watched 3d in several months, a have largely given up on the format. I think it's dying a slow death.

A fellow 1100 owner came by a few days ago and saw some Directv content fed thought the Lumagen - he was rather taken aback how good the image looked compared to his setup at home.
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Oh how I wish this were true for me and others I know...I have found Windows in general and Media PC's specifically to be a continually unreliable and frustrating platform, and you feel like an IT tech support person more than an av enthusiast after a while. Two fellow hobbyists I know came to the same conclusion and ditched their PC's except for ripping.

I'm guessing very few people are watching content solely from a PC, so a Lumagen offers far more flexibility. I have about six sources (three funnel through a matrix switch, so only occupying one Lumagen input)

I've looked at the pc based scalers, and they are definitely more complicated than using a Lumagen. And with the autocal feature of Chromapure, it's become extremely easy to recalibrate every few hundred hours if I wish to compensate for the aging lamp in the 1100, in 10-30 minute depending upon how fine of a calibration I want.

For me, the best scenario is to use Anydvd to rip to a Synology server, use MyMovies to catalog and tag everything, and rely on the Dune Smart players (full BD menu support) for playback and easy search and control through the MyMovies iPad app. No 3d, but frankly, I haven't watched 3d in several months, a have largely given up on the format. I think it's dying a slow death.

A fellow 1100 owner came by a few days ago and saw some Directv content fed thought the Lumagen - he was rather taken aback how good the image looked compared to his setup at home.
Just like you, I know tons of people who use their PC as the sole source device for their home theater. What I don't understand is how you think setting up MadVR is difficult. This is ALL you have to do:


It takes literally less than 2 and half minutes to set that up. Please tell me how that's difficult? I would imagine it takes just as long to plug in the lumagen and power it on. To each their own, but PLEASE don't say setting this up is difficult because it's anything but. I'm just sick and tired of people saying that in this thread which is why I had to make that video.

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You lost me after the 18th dialog box :-)

I'm sure it's great but my point is not many people would know which of all those options to adjust or why. I also don't get how one can only use a PC in today's multi media environment, but of course it's possible.

Anyway, I cannot stand the instability of Windows, that I am sure of.
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Could you give me a specific instability issue example. I don't think I've gotten a blue screen, freeze up or glitch in years. If you're getting them constantly I'd make a wager one of the hardware components is faulty.

Also, my video is not confusing. You don't need to know what those other options are because JINC is the only scaler you want to use anyways. What I did in the video sets it up optimally. It takes less than two and a half minutes to download, install and set up. That's the definition of easy.

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Could you give me a specific instability issue example. I don't think I've gotten a blue screen, freeze up or glitch in years. If you're getting g them constantly I'd make a wager one of the hardware components is faulty.
I could, but I don't want to go further OT. I've purpose built two i7 systems and followed all max performance setting suggestions, but could rarely go more than a month without odd stuttering, general system instability (unexplained slowdowns, quits) random audio glitches (cannot stick for 7.1 setting, occassional static on bitstream, etc. Multiple clean installs, latest on an ssd drive.

Gee, I did go further... Sorry...
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You are right... one does need to be into the "HTPC scene" to know about all the little programs like madVR, what the settings do, what is optimal based on what you want and what PC hardware you have, etc.

But it takes no more time to get up to speed on those things than it does to hang around other parts of a forum for a hobby we obsess over .

I do disagree that Windows in not stable. I run it all over my house from overclocked gaming PCs, almost "always on" DVR pcs, and HTPCs with nary a hiccup.

That being said, since I simply have not felt like getting Roomie set up to control the HTPC and the fact that my new powerful pc build is my gaming rig that normally resides in another room, I currently do not have an HTPC in the theater. I did make that PC in a nice small Shuttle case with the thought that I would take it to the theater when I wanted to use it there, but that has proved to be too much trouble. I use a Dune Smart D1 with Zappiti with my MKV rips on a Synology. Once Lumagen comes out with a next gen true 4k in/out box I may buy it for the awesome Calman calibration. Not sure the PC is there yet for that purpose. Would be nice if Lumagen could implement an electronic convergence algorithm as well as you mentioned madVr having that capability.
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Just like you, I know tons of people who use their PC as the sole source device for their home theater. What I don't understand is how you think setting up MadVR is difficult. This is ALL you have to do:
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It takes literally less than 2 and half minutes to set that up. Please tell me how that's difficult? I would imagine it takes just as long to plug in the lumagen and power it on. To each their own, but PLEASE don't say setting this up is difficult because it's anything but. I'm just sick and tired of people saying that in this thread which is why I had to make that video.
I don't think it's a question of setting it up being difficult. It's more of a maintenance or reliability question for every day use.

I have a system mostly identical to thrang's Dune/Synology solution that no one in my house will use unless I'm home because of the troubleshooting that's necessary when it doesn't work which usually has something to do with the PC or network connection; it's not wife, child, or as a mater of fact someone who is technically competent but not familiar with the software friendly. The perhaps occasional instability becomes a point of frustration for a simple act.

A programmable remote with activity based macro's wins every time in our house. That is, a Lumagen processor as part of an activity based macro has been the most foolproof and reliable solution. A little bit of Occam's razor here I guess.
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I suppose the problem with network stability could be an issue. I have 25TB of local storage so I have no such issues. The complexity of my solution is far less than your whole house system. I have almost no issue's ever but with a system as complex as yours it's almost expected to have hiccups.I don't see this as a Windows/MadVR/Media Player issue because you're running into issues anyways without doing what I'm proposing to use. We're talking about two totally different things here. These issues are common when the setup becomes more and more complex and has nothing to do with "Windows stability" as these issues happen on other operating systems as well. Look at HDMI as you add more and more to the chain. The same types of issues occur.

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I could, but I don't want to go further OT. I've purpose built two i7 systems and followed all max performance setting suggestions, but could rarely go more than a month without odd stuttering, general system instability (unexplained slowdowns, quits) random audio glitches (cannot stick for 7.1 setting, occassional static on bitstream, etc. Multiple clean installs, latest on an ssd drive.

Gee, I did go further... Sorry...
I don't know what software and hardware you're using but if you're having that many issues it's most likely your own fault and not an issue with Windows or PCs as a whole. If everyone had the issues you had you'd think Microsoft or the hardware manufacturers would try and fix these major issues so they could sell their products? But according to you, they just said screw it.

I see your point about the lumagen being plug and play and I agree that it's the simpler solution to use, but for those of us who don't have $3200 to spend on a single piece of hardware (that does FAR less than a PC does for FAR more money) sitting down and reading a few forum posts could potentially solve all of your issues. I mean, you spend enough time on this forum so I assume you'd have enough time to do that as well. Obviously you had something, or possibly several things, set up incorrectly because most people who run this software and set it up correctly don't run into any of the issue's you're spouting. I just don't think your single failed experience is a justifiable reason to tell others not to use a setup like this. The vast majority of people don't have stability or reliability issues.

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Yes. It is my fault. 25 years of working with PCs in all flavors of a Windows has been a testament to reliable and predictable behavior.

Actually, I long ago switched to Mac. Among the problem Microsoft has, the largest is they don't develop the OS for specific hardware, as Apple can do with OS X, knowing precisely the operating parameters of every chip, resistor, and cable. PC manufacturers have a fairly large latitude of component selection, and each do not operate exactly the same way.

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How much does a 2143 cost? I just went on newegg and put together a pretty typical mini-itx "gaming" grade PC powerful enough for MadVR duties. This includes an Intel 4770K, nvidia GTX Titan black (though you could go a little cheaper), 16GB of RAM, Silverstone Mini-ITX case, 650 watt modular PSU, 120GB SSD for your OS, a 2TB harddrive, a mini-ITX motherboard, and bluray drive. It costs roughly $2100. You make it sound as if the lumagen is way more expensive than this. If that's the case, I don't understand why anyone would buy one especially when the functionality and feature set of the PC is miles higher than something like a lumagen. Arguably the single greatest feature the Lumagen has is the color management/calibration suite, but there are options on the PC as well albeit less refined. If you were to have a bunch of harddrives attached to your PC, load your bluray collection onto it, utilize front end software like XBMC or JRiver you can have a Kaleidescape-like experience with all the benefits a modern PC media media player has like MadVR rendering and upscaling, FFDShow and LAVs video and audio decoders, the option in the media player to tweak everything to the nth degree all in the form factor of the size of a shoebox. I just think it's amazing that you can do almost everything home theater enthusiasts need on the modern PC. Lumagen knows there is still a crowd out there that think "PC's are difficult to set up" or "PC's are faulty" or "PCs are unstable" which is a total misconception. Reliability and stability issues are a thing of the past and if you can understand how to set up a Lumagen properly then you can definitely set up something like MadVR and the media player using it. I think anyone buying the Lumagen for the sole purpose of scaling should really reconsider. I understand completely that the calibration suite for some is worth the Lumagen's weight in gold and if that's the reason you're buying it, then more power to you. I just think for everything else, there are far cheaper, and in some cases, better options out there on a PC.

HTPC are notoriously unreliable. I've gone down that road several times over the years. It's simply not a stable solution. I'm not a newbie either.. in IT for 20+ yrs and built many PC's over the years. They've gotten much better each year but there is always issues with heavy use.

Unless you plan to leave a full set of instructions for your wife on how to restart the PC when you are not home, time to move on.

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Uhh, you press the power button to turn it back on... That's one sentence to write down. Like I said, unless you're running a whole house NAS solution, reliability issues are NOT an issue anymore. That's also not a "PC" exclusive problem. Any NAS system will have issues. Over the past 6 or 7 years media playback on a PC is worlds better. But your network reliability issues are not related to what I'm talking about. Somehow this went from MadVR scaling vs Lumagen scaling (which is relevant to this thread), to network problems vs lumagen. I don't care if you can't get your NAS to communicate properly, it has literally nothing to do with MadVR.

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Uhh, you press the power button to turn it back on... That's one sentence to write down. Like I said, unless you're running a whole house NAS solution, reliability issues are NOT an issue anymore. That's also not a "PC" exclusive problem. Any NAS system will have issues. Over the past 6 or 7 years media playback on a PC is worlds better. But your network reliability issues are not related to what I'm talking about. Somehow this went from MadVR scaling vs Lumagen scaling (which is relevant to this thread), to network problems vs lumagen. I don't care if you can't get your NAS to communicate properly, it has literally nothing to do with MadVR.
I don't have any network or NAS reliability issues. I always worked with local iso and bdmv when trying to troubleshoot issues - that never matters. In fact, the Dune's I'm now using access the same Synology 20tb shares, and play flawlessly.

With Roomie Remote, I have the activity programmed so the NAS turns on (wake on LAN) when you want to watch a movie, so it can remain off until needed. So for a family, it's very bullet proof.

Back to the Lumagen/madvr...I'm not doubting madvr quality, it's just that an htpc is not a family oriented box. With the Lumagen, don't forget the outstanding auto color calibration you can perform with a meter and something like Chromapure. It's been so well developed, you really don't need to know a thing about color - it's does an excellent job for you, automatically...

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Just like you, I know tons of people who use their PC as the sole source device for their home theater. What I don't understand is how you think setting up MadVR is difficult. This is ALL you have to do:



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It takes literally less than 2 and half minutes to set that up. Please tell me how that's difficult? I would imagine it takes just as long to plug in the lumagen and power it on. To each their own, but PLEASE don't say setting this up is difficult because it's anything but. I'm just sick and tired of people saying that in this thread which is why I had to make that video.

That's not all that's required to replicate the capability of a lumagen is it, really? The or your assumption is that the user will only leverage MPC at this point. There is now double maintenance for both madvr and MPC. And iirc there is no automated update mechanism for madvr..



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That's not all that's required to replicate the capability of a lumagen is it, really? The or your assumption is that the user will only leverage MPC at this point. There is now double maintenance for both madvr and MPC. And iirc there is no automated update mechanism for madvr..



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To replicate the scaling capabilities of the lumagen, yes that's all that's required. To gain new features you'd need to update the software manually. MadVR and MPC-HC are remarkably stable and have been for years. Both pieces of software are very mature (several years old). If you go through the change log most of the updates are to further the already working portions of the software, not necessarily fixes to something that doesn't work. Plus, you can opt to update to only stable releases (no betas) if you so choose. Does the Lumagen automatically connect to the internet and update the device itself or is that something that you need to check and install manually? There are few reasons to do "maintenance" as you so call it. If there isn't a new feature you want to use there's no need to update the software.

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It's safe to say some like their lumagen's and some like their htpc set ups. Some (like myself) prefer my own. There is not a right or wrong solution. The best one is what works for you.
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To replicate the scaling capabilities of the lumagen, yes that's all that's required. To gain new features you'd need to update the software manually. MadVR and MPC-HC are remarkably stable and have been for years. Both pieces of software are very mature (several years old). If you go through the change log most of the updates are to further the already working portions of the software, not necessarily fixes to something that doesn't work. Plus, you can opt to update to only stable releases (no betas) if you so choose. Does the Lumagen automatically connect to the internet and update the device itself or is that something that you need to check and install manually? There are few reasons to do "maintenance" as you so call it. If there isn't a new feature you want to use there's no need to update the software.

It was a question to the reality of the video. Most of the processes (guides) I see are pages upon pages and my attempts never felt that simple (when I tried). Madvr did not seem to have a way to update minus removing and reinstalling. I could never understand the profiles/ levels concept. If something requires scripting for config it's way too much for me. I prefer plug and play. However, if it's as easy as what you show it's a wonder more don't use it.

I have never updated my lumagen but it does require a download and upload to the device.



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