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I would have personally skipped that one even though i've bought and sold plenty from ebay as well since 1998. no photos of the product, no listing of hours, etc. it's too cookie cutter of a listing for my preferences.

when a no brainer comes up like the $900 80 hour Planar I don't mind taking a risk on ebay. That Sony could have been a high mile POS and the new owner wouldn't know ahead of time. Then dealing with returns on a big ticket item, etc.

the last ebay VW1100 sold for 16,600 (new open box) without the media player. An updated 1000->1100 with 330 hours went for 13,100 also without the media player kit. it doesn't look like too many 1100's are moving just yet.
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It did come with a 30 day return policy so if there was something wrong with the unit you could return it. Also, you're covered through ebay. They will give you your money back if the item comes broken/damaged/or not like the description. I'm just saying ebay isn't some shady place to buy electronics. I've bought MANY projectors through ebay and have never once had an issue where the unit wasn't as described. And ironically the two projectors I've had to send in for service were bought from dealers, not second hand units on ebay. Sometimes you know you aren't buying a lemon if the person has had it for a little while without issues. I've watched a few other auctions and the units sold for under $10000. Like Mike said, some of these units are almost 3 years old. They can't hold their value forever. These were auctions, not "buy it now" prices. The marketplace sets value and it does seem the value has gone down a bit since this time last year. At that time, most units were selling for around $12000. I keep a close eye on these units when they go up for sale.
Still, there are some lets say, less than honorable people selling on there. You still have to be careful. I am pretty sure that there are Credit card harvesters on there. That is why some items are so cheap. They are willing to lose money on the item to get your credit card number. Had a manufacturer call me the other day, about one such dealer, that sells on Amazon. His prices are cheap and now I know why.
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I would have personally skipped that one even though i've bought and sold plenty from ebay as well since 1998. no photos of the product, no listing of hours, etc. it's too cookie cutter of a listing for my preferences.

when a no brainer comes up like the $900 80 hour Planar I don't mind taking a risk on ebay. That Sony could have been a high mile POS and the new owner wouldn't know ahead of time. Then dealing with returns on a big ticket item, etc.

the last ebay VW1100 sold for 16,600 (new open box) without the media player. An updated 1000->1100 with 330 hours went for 13,100 also without the media player kit. it doesn't look like too many 1100's are moving just yet.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131246862346...84.m1423.l2649

Edit: didn't see that second part. Yeah, an updated unit will sell about where the 1000ES was selling at this time last year.
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I'm not following? this is the updated VW1000-VW1100 I mentioned

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131246862346...84.m1423.l2649

new VW1100 open box for 16.6k

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-4K-Home...-/221490657937

let's not forget sample variance. who is parting with this much $$ without knowing if it's a half decent sample?
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It did come with a 30 day return policy so if there was something wrong with the unit you could return it. Also, you're covered through ebay. They will give you your money back if the item comes broken/damaged/or not like the description. I'm just saying ebay isn't some shady place to buy electronics. I've bought MANY projectors through ebay and have never once had an issue where the unit wasn't as described. And ironically the two projectors I've had to send in for service were bought from dealers, not second hand units on ebay. Sometimes you know you aren't buying a lemon if the person has had it for a little while without issues. I've watched a few other auctions and the units sold for under $10000. Like Mike said, some of these units are almost 3 years old. They can't hold their value forever. These were auctions, not "buy it now" prices. The marketplace sets value and it does seem the value has gone down a bit since this time last year. At that time, most units were selling for around $12000. I keep a close eye on these units when they go up for sale.
Seegs, I will give you and anybody else my take on Ebays money back as not described, etc.This was for a seller not offering returns. Once you get above 750.00 this goes to the high claim division and you have to really prove your case. I bought a Sim2 HT3000e off Ebay (it was owned by a member here) that came with one of the HDMI ports not working and not mentioned in the ad. They want you to take it to a manufacturer authorized service center and get a repair estimate for the device. In my case there's only one, that was in Florida. They will not cover any expense for shipping to a repair center or the estimate cost. In my case I had to search hard to find anyone that would even look at it. I did find someone and they determined it was a bad port and gave me the estimate to turn in. EBay did decide in my favor but I was out a 100.00 for the estimate and 75.00 more for shipping the item back to him.

So in the end I try to only buy items from sellers that offer returns.
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I'm not following? this is the updated VW1000-VW1100 I mentioned

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131246862346...84.m1423.l2649

new VW1100 open box for 16.6k

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-4K-Home...-/221490657937

let's not forget sample variance. who is parting with this much $$ without knowing if it's a half decent sample?
I just think you're being overly optimistic. This is probably the worst thread to make a comment like that, but used electronics, projectors especially, lose a lot of value in a short amount of time. If we do see one or two 4K units released after CEDIA this fall that will most likely make the value of these units go down again. And that's not to say the PQ is any worse, but people will find it hard to justify the price premium when there is a similar product out there for a lot cheaper. My guess is that Sony is having a harder time selling the 1100ES now that the 600/500ES is out.
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WHAT??? I was lied to! Mike told me my Sony would appreciate at least 10% a year. Maybe he said depreciate and I heard appreciate. I'll have to check my phone recordings....
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I just think you're being overly optimistic. This is probably the worst thread to make a comment like that, but used electronics, projectors especially, lose a lot of value in a short amount of time. If we do see one or two 4K units released after CEDIA this fall that will most likely make the value of these units go down again. And that's not to say the PQ is any worse, but people will find it hard to justify the price premium when there is a similar product out there for a lot cheaper. My guess is that Sony is having a harder time selling the 1100ES now that the 600/500ES is out.


What comment did I make? I wasn't predicting future value, just showing what they are selling for now.

I had an 1100 and a 600 here, I could have bought either, I still have the 1100 because I like the lens quality. Sure there will be cheaper 4K projectors, I'm looking forward to seeing how they compare. good glass doesn't come cheap. The flagship Sony has a great lens. clearly resolving 8 point windows fonts on a 4K dekstop is impressive imo.
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I'm going to wait for the laser/ LED/no-lamp-somehow version. Then I'm all in.
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What comment did I make? I wasn't predicting future value, just showing what they are selling for now.

I had an 1100 and a 600 here, I could have bought either, I still have the 1100 because I like the lens quality. Sure there will be cheaper 4K projectors, I'm looking forward to seeing how they compare. good glass doesn't come cheap. The flagship Sony has a great lens. clearly resolving 8 point windows fonts on a 4K dekstop is impressive imo.
My response wasn't about a specific comment that you made. But you're trying to tell me that people are willing to spend more on an "A-Stock blah blah blah" unit. I'm getting up to around 40 used unit sold so I have a good inkling as to what people are expecting price wise. I'm just saying I think you're being overly optimistic as to how much more someone is willing to spend. Used is used. That's all I'm trying to say. You can probably expect around the same amount of money that unit that sold on ebay went for. ~$13000 and maybe a bit more because you have the 4K server. But I think this time next year (as we saw a year ago with the 1000ES) the value of this unit will drop again due to the market being flooded with new 4K units. I'm really hoping for a 4k JVC unit this fall. Again, this has nothing to do with the PQ the 1000/1100ES can put out. I mean you got the PD8130 for $900 when obviously, regarding PQ compared to other 1080p DLP units for around that price, is FAR better. People are stupid and will see the 1000ES as "old" or whatever and not spend as much on it. Just like your PD8130. Hell a Marantz VP-11S2 sold recently here on the forum for $1300 and it took like 2 weeks for it to sell. I have no idea why it didn't sell day 1 at that price. It's vastly superior to any single chip DLP out there at almost any price point. Again, people are stupid and very nervous about buying a used unit.
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My response wasn't about a specific comment that you made. But you're trying to tell me that people are willing to spend more on an "A-Stock blah blah blah" unit. I'm getting up to around 40 used unit sold so I have a good inkling as to what people are expecting price wise. I'm just saying I think you're being overly optimistic as to how much more someone is willing to spend. Used is used. That's all I'm trying to say. You can probably expect around the same amount of money that unit that sold on ebay went for. ~$13000 and maybe a bit more because you have the 4K server. But I think this time next year (as we saw a year ago with the 1000ES) the value of this unit will drop again due to the market being flooded with new 4K units. I'm really hoping for a 4k JVC unit this fall. Again, this has nothing to do with the PQ the 1000/1100ES can put out. I mean you got the PD8130 for $900 when obviously, regarding PQ compared to other 1080p DLP units for around that price, is FAR better. People are stupid and will see the 1000ES as "old" or whatever and not spend as much on it. Just like your PD8130. Hell a Marantz VP-11S2 sold recently here on the forum for $1300 and it took like 2 weeks for it to sell. I have no idea why it didn't sell day 1 at that price. It's vastly superior to any single chip DLP out there at almost any price point. Again, people are stupid and very nervous about buying a used unit.
The only thing I pointed out is that good condition models are going to fetch more than a VW1000 from a questionable source with unknown hours. I never stated anything about future value so I don't know where this is being drawn from the last few posts.

yes the forum is well aware of how many projectors you've bought and sold, it's plastered all over the place. for sale section, ebay and signature. I think everyone is wondering which projector is last standing once all others are voted off the island.
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It's not about finding "the one" it's about seeing as many possible to get a better understanding of each technology. I will say I'm having a hard time with selling the LS-10i. It's image is so compelling, but I want to make sure I have enough disposable income if JVC releases a 4K unit in a couple months.
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you should still check out a VW1100 for reference to the others, these projectors aren't chum just yet. A clean 4K source looks remarkable.

I'm hoping JVC puts in the correct effort for a 4K model. If this year's timing isn't right, I'd rather they wait another year.
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WHAT??? I was lied to! Mike told me my Sony would appreciate at least 10% a year. Maybe he said depreciate and I heard appreciate. I'll have to check my phone recordings....
Yeah, projectors are like fine wine. I must think that, because I just bought my fifth projector this week.
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My response wasn't about a specific comment that you made. But you're trying to tell me that people are willing to spend more on an "A-Stock blah blah blah" unit. I'm getting up to around 40 used unit sold so I have a good inkling as to what people are expecting price wise. I'm just saying I think you're being overly optimistic as to how much more someone is willing to spend. Used is used. That's all I'm trying to say. You can probably expect around the same amount of money that unit that sold on ebay went for. ~$13000 and maybe a bit more because you have the 4K server. But I think this time next year (as we saw a year ago with the 1000ES) the value of this unit will drop again due to the market being flooded with new 4K units. I'm really hoping for a 4k JVC unit this fall. Again, this has nothing to do with the PQ the 1000/1100ES can put out. I mean you got the PD8130 for $900 when obviously, regarding PQ compared to other 1080p DLP units for around that price, is FAR better. People are stupid and will see the 1000ES as "old" or whatever and not spend as much on it. Just like your PD8130. Hell a Marantz VP-11S2 sold recently here on the forum for $1300 and it took like 2 weeks for it to sell. I have no idea why it didn't sell day 1 at that price. It's vastly superior to any single chip DLP out there at almost any price point. Again, people are stupid and very nervous about buying a used unit.
By this time next year, there may be only one more 4K projector on the market and it might also be a Sony, or there could still only be two (VW600 & VW1100). We know Epson is not coming out with one this fall and it is far from definite that JVC will do so.
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Hello,

I received my new Sony VW1100ES last week, and the picture in magnificent!!

My last projector was a Runco LS-10i, and I used always with Iris ON.

But with the VW1100ES The Iris at full there is some artifacts I don´t like:

1) In some scenes the shadow detail is lost
2) Is rare, but in some scenes I can see the IRIS working
3) The worst...Posterization in some scenes

I played with IRIS Limited (a little dim) and Fixed, but for me IRIS OFF is the best, with a good contrast and great shadow detail...better than my old Runco even with IRIS ON.

Have you guys have the same opinion ?

Nuno
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Hello,

I received my new Sony VW1100ES last week, and the picture in magnificent!!

My last projector was a Runco LS-10i, and I used always with Iris ON.

But with the VW1100ES The Iris at full there is some artifacts I don´t like:

1) In some scenes the shadow detail is lost
2) Is rare, but in some scenes I can see the IRIS working
3) The worst...Posterization in some scenes

I played with IRIS Limited (a little dim) and Fixed, but for me IRIS OFF is the best, with a good contrast and great shadow detail...better than my old Runco even with IRIS ON.

Have you guys have the same opinion ?

Nuno
Nuno, next time you have a chance, try this. turn the iris to auto-iris full. Then go under expert settings and change the black level adjust to 'medium'. report back if the posterization in some scenes goes away. also take a 2nd look at the shadow detail now.
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Hello,

I received my new Sony VW1100ES last week, and the picture in magnificent!!

My last projector was a Runco LS-10i, and I used always with Iris ON.

But with the VW1100ES The Iris at full there is some artifacts I don´t like:

1) In some scenes the shadow detail is lost
2) Is rare, but in some scenes I can see the IRIS working
3) The worst...Posterization in some scenes

I played with IRIS Limited (a little dim) and Fixed, but for me IRIS OFF is the best, with a good contrast and great shadow detail...better than my old Runco even with IRIS ON.

Have you guys have the same opinion ?

Nuno
Nice. I'm glad you like the 1100ES. How would you compare it to the LS-10i? I have one now and enjoy the picture. I also have a JVC DLA-X500 and in most scenes the contrast difference between the X500 and LS10i isn't really apparent. I don't have a huge screen so I've been using a Hoya ND2 filter to tone the brightness down and have found this makes the contrast difference between the JVC and LS-10i even less in direct side-by-side viewing. The Runco's dynamic iris works very well and I find the Runco's image to look more natural (less artificial). I'm assuming so far you liked the dynamic iris on the Runco better? I'm having a tough time deciding which to keep and if I want to sell both to afford a 1000ES/1100ES. I'm looking for that DLP "look" with higher contrast. Would you say the 1100ES has that quality?
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you should still check out a VW1100 for reference to the others, these projectors aren't chum just yet. A clean 4K source looks remarkable.

I'm hoping JVC puts in the correct effort for a 4K model. If this year's timing isn't right, I'd rather they wait another year.
If I hadn't JUST bought the LS-10i I most likely would have picked up that refurb 1000ES that sold for $8600 on ebay. I simply didn't have enough cash to have both at the same time. That's okay though. I feel the Sony's go on sale far more often than these LS-10i's do. It's the first one I've ever seen go on sale actually. I've always wanted to check out a 3 chip DLP and now I got the chance. From memory (and I know that can't always be the best things to go off of), this unit is the nicest image I've ever seen. Now, it doesn't have the black level performance a few LCoS machines have but I have to say I haven't watched a single clip where I thought to myself "that looked lacking in contrast". Obviously there are better performers regarding contrast out there but this unit never makes you upset regarding contrast. That's without the ND2 filter in place. When using the filter on my small-ish screen (8 feet wide) it takes things to a whole other level. With peak white still plenty bright behind the filter, the black level and lower APL level scenes take on an even better personality.

Similar to what some people were claiming about how the Sony 1000ES can look more "dymanic" during some darker scenes, I'm seeing that same trait with the LS-10i. I was watching a few night time scenes in LOTR:ROTK. It was during the night-time siege of Minas Tirith. In the side-by-side viewing of the X500 and LS-10i, I kept finding myself favoring the image from the Runco. It surprised the hell out of me. The same thing happened during the Mines of Moria sequence in the FOTR. Most scenes in Harry Potter part 7 were neck in neck. I'm kind of at a loss of words with what I'm seeing. I keep thinking that something must be wrong with how I have the X500 set up. I'm thinking the dynamic gamma and higher ANSI contrast have a lot to do with what I'm seeing. I have both brightness matched as close as I can get (both are within 50 lumens of each other according to my Minolta CL-200). It's really on shots that are almost complete "black" that a difference between the LS-10i and JVC have a visible difference and I find that those shots are rare. Brighter scenes still favor the Runco.

I may have to suck it up and buy a Sony 1000ES. I think it's really the only thing a step up over both the JVC and Runco (and a few Sim2 models). Decisions...decisions...
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you should still check out a VW1100 for reference to the others, these projectors aren't chum just yet. A clean 4K source looks remarkable.

I'm hoping JVC puts in the correct effort for a 4K model. If this year's timing isn't right, I'd rather they wait another year.
I thought about selling my combo for the Sony 1100es but I'm not sure if it's worth it.
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the poster above should re-evaluate the iris after making those changes I suggested.

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I thought about selling my combo for the Sony 1100es but I'm not sure if it's worth it.
you have a nice combo, similar to mine with the JVC's and the .95 DLP, I like them each for different reasons. I think the VW1100 has elements of both which I've been enjoying more now that I darkened my room. Tonight I was watching scenes from Oblivion and Frozen 3D, both looked great. I think mixed APL content is the most impressive, very dynamic looking image.

I just downloaded steam on my PC, i've been meaning to take a look at some 4K gaming. I have a late night cup of ice coffee and a fresh copy of Grid2 to keep me busy for a while. time to break out the old logitech steering wheel and play on the big HP.
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the poster above should re-evaluate the iris after making those changes I suggested.



you have a nice combo, similar to mine with the JVC's and the .95 DLP, I like them each for different reasons. I think the VW1100 has elements of both which I've been enjoying more now that I darkened my room. Tonight I was watching scenes from Oblivion and Frozen 3D, both looked great. I think mixed APL content is the most impressive, very dynamic looking image.

I just downloaded steam on my PC, i've been meaning to take a look at some 4K gaming. I have a late night cup of ice coffee and a fresh copy of Grid2 to keep me busy for a while. time to break out the old logitech steering wheel and play on the big HP.
I haven't bugged you about the 1100es. I been waiting to see what happens with the blu Ray standard and JVC at cedia. If the Sony had the full hdmi 2.0, I would definitely had spent the extra but I just wanted to make sure since it's $10k+. For 1080p on my 120in screen,I got the right combo, but with 4k on a 140in+ screen, the Sony is definitely the projector.
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Thank you zombie10k for your suggestions about the iris....I will try tonight.

In 10 years I changed 5x times my projectors and I remember 2 major upgrades: when I bought the Sim3X (720p) and now with the Sony VW1100.

I really liked the Runco LS10i, but sometimes the picture have some noise that now I do not see the in the Sony. Contrast was good but the VW1100 is in another league, believe me!

But the big difference is picture detail...in good transfers, like Oblivion or All is Lost (saw yesterday...great movie) the detail is stunning, and gives incredible depth to the image.

As I said, the only thing I'm a little disappointed is with the IRIS, but I will try the settings that zombie10k suggested...but even with IRIS off the picture have great contrast and is very bright (I like bright, vibrant pictures...my screen is a Screen Research 110" 0.9 gain).

I compared in my home for 3 days the Sony VW500 and VW1100...for me the VW1100 justifies the price difference...visible better contrast (with VW500 I can´t turn IRIS off...mediocre contrast!); visible better detail; but most impressive is the improvement in motion (with all motion enhancers turned off)...this is possible?!

Nuno
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If I hadn't JUST bought the LS-10i I most likely would have picked up that refurb 1000ES that sold for $8600 on ebay. I simply didn't have enough cash to have both at the same time. That's okay though. I feel the Sony's go on sale far more often than these LS-10i's do. It's the first one I've ever seen go on sale actually. I've always wanted to check out a 3 chip DLP and now I got the chance. From memory (and I know that can't always be the best things to go off of), this unit is the nicest image I've ever seen. Now, it doesn't have the black level performance a few LCoS machines have but I have to say I haven't watched a single clip where I thought to myself "that looked lacking in contrast". Obviously there are better performers regarding contrast out there but this unit never makes you upset regarding contrast. That's without the ND2 filter in place. When using the filter on my small-ish screen (8 feet wide) it takes things to a whole other level. With peak white still plenty bright behind the filter, the black level and lower APL level scenes take on an even better personality.


Similar to what some people were claiming about how the Sony 1000ES can look more "dymanic" during some darker scenes, I'm seeing that same trait with the LS-10i. I was watching a few night time scenes in LOTR:ROTK. It was during the night-time siege of Minas Tirith. In the side-by-side viewing of the X500 and LS-10i, I kept finding myself favoring the image from the Runco. It surprised the hell out of me. The same thing happened during the Mines of Moria sequence in the FOTR. Most scenes in Harry Potter part 7 were neck in neck. I'm kind of at a loss of words with what I'm seeing. I keep thinking that something must be wrong with how I have the X500 set up. I'm thinking the dynamic gamma and higher ANSI contrast have a lot to do with what I'm seeing. I have both brightness matched as close as I can get (both are within 50 lumens of each other according to my Minolta CL-200). It's really on shots that are almost complete "black" that a difference between the LS-10i and JVC have a visible difference and I find that those shots are rare. Brighter scenes still favor the Runco.

I may have to suck it up and buy a Sony 1000ES. I think it's really the only thing a step up over both the JVC and Runco (and a few Sim2 models). Decisions...decisions...
This is what I see when I compare the VW1000 and X500, the scenes in favor of the X500 is very very few. And I have also tested the VW1000 against 3 chip DLP and the VW1000 is better in almost every way like NABCS says.

I will not change my VW1000 soon to be 1100 this week before someone comes up with a 4K LED or Laser with at least 2000 lumens for a reasonable price. I have had the VW1000 for 2,5 years now and it only has about 800 hours on it so it will last for a long time. It is the only projector I have had for longer than 10 months.
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4K laser projectors are available today. And the price is very reasonable. Such projectors are under $200K and worth every penny. The issue is affordability.

In a year or two we will have phosphor ignited by laser projector high lumens for around $60K, the present price about of a similar 2K machine.

$4K laser lit phosphor projectors will come within 2 years. There is no reason that the Sony 1100ES could not have been lit by such a light source and the cost might have been increased very slightly. The contrast spec would have been be non competitive in the eyes of the HT nerds though better than a commercial theater.
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We watched Need For Speed in 3D last night and I have to say it looked terrific. Colors were vivid. Depth perception was top notch. Still can't believe it wasn't released over here in 3D. Also the sound was impressive too.


Oh and the Preview for Divergent looked incredible! Yes, that is 2D. Still, hope it looks exactly the same...
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Nuno, next time you have a chance, try this. turn the iris to auto-iris full. Then go under expert settings and change the black level adjust to 'medium'. report back if the posterization in some scenes goes away. also take a 2nd look at the shadow detail now.
Thanks for this suggestion. I will try this as well. I have been running my 1100ES with IRIS off for years now because of the posterization with it on.
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$4K laser lit phosphor projectors will come within 2 years. There is no reason that the Sony 1100ES could not have been lit by such a light source and the cost might have been increased very slightly.
Perhaps Sony will offer an Laser light conversion upgrade for the VW1100.
Wouldn't mind paying for it.
Might just be a pipe dream, but that would be super if Sony did.
I am guessing that if Sony came out with a new 4K projector using LED light, they would base it on the VW1100 electronics with very little change.
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The issue is the kit cost for a new product and the almost complete redesign of the product physically that would be needed. Sony is not doing real well overall as most know. The upgrade to the 1100ES over the 1000ES was minimal. One new board, nothing else. No new chassis etc. Sony is essentially know using the JVC upgrade system. Use the same basic chassis over and over again. Change costs are low, a few engineers messing around for a year making improvements restricted of course by what they know.

A phosphor lit by laser light source for the Sony 500/600 and 1000/1100ES would require major reengineering and huge costs, money that Sony doesn't have and something that must be done with huge reductions in staffing and replacing of experience with unexperienced lower cost personnel.
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Thanks for this suggestion. I will try this as well. I have been running my 1100ES with IRIS off for years now because of the posterization with it on.
A good scene to test this is in Oblivion where Olga announces to TC that she is his wife.

I noticed this with the original motherboard and the update as well. I was surprised it wasn't being discussed and decided to poke around in the settings. I found if I turned on the black level adjustment to medium, it restores the shadow detail and reduces the posterization. This works regardless of a 2.2 or 2.4 gamma setting.

The odd thing is, I don't think it happens with the auto iris set to limited, I've gone back and forth a few times testing it. Give it a shot and let me know what you think.


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