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What do 1100ES owners think about this?

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...l#post36279170

I'm a little concerned about the idea of mixing a "budget" lens option with the high-end optics on the Sony, but they do list the 1100ES as a compatible model.

Its been so long since I even considered an external lens I don't even remember what all would be involved with using it.

But there is no obligation to signing up, and it would be nice to use more pixels on anamorphic content...

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What do 1100ES owners think about this?

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...l#post36279170

I'm a little concerned about the idea of mixing a "budget" lens option with the high-end optics on the Sony, but they do list the 1100ES as a compatible model.

Its been so long since I even considered an external lens I don't even remember what all would be involved with using it.

But there is no obligation to signing up, and it would be nice to use more pixels on anamorphic content...
Good find!

Yeah it's certainly a bargain for anamorphic. I notice it has Panamorph's blessing for the 1100 + 600, so it must be ok for 4K material as well you'd want to hope?

I had zero interest in a A-lens till now. But I may well be interested in one for my 1100 and 500 .

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How much better is the vw1100 than the vw500 in terms of perceived contrast? Have anyone here done a side by side testing of the two and if so, how much better contrast do YOU think the vw1100 has?

I have seen both but never at the same time side by side.
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What do 1100ES owners think about this?

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...l#post36279170

I'm a little concerned about the idea of mixing a "budget" lens option with the high-end optics on the Sony, but they do list the 1100ES as a compatible model.

Its been so long since I even considered an external lens I don't even remember what all would be involved with using it.

But there is no obligation to signing up, and it would be nice to use more pixels on anamorphic content...
Honestly, I have no interested in putting anything between the beautiful output from the Sony 1100 and my screen. I sold my A-lens and not looking back, but if I was, this is a great price. The problem is that it really might not be high enough quality for 4K. I'm also not sure if the Sony provides the stretch (or is it squeeze?) processing in 4K. From what I recall, it's only there for 1080, not 4K. Feel free to correct any of this as I could easily be wrong.

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Honestly the only lens worthy enough for the vw1100es is the ISCO IIIL or ISCO 1.25x. I feel the other anamorphic lenses out there (of which I've tried most) just add too many neagtives attributes to the image to give an attractive experience.
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Honestly the only lens worthy enough for the vw1100es is the ISCO IIIL or ISCO 1.25x. I feel the other anamorphic lenses out there (of which I've tried most) just add too many neagtives attributes to the image to give an attractive experience.

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How much better is the vw1100 than the vw500 in terms of perceived contrast? Have anyone here done a side by side testing of the two and if so, how much better contrast do YOU think the vw1100 has?

I have seen both but never at the same time side by side.
Noticeable difference between the two. I am talking on actual content, not just test patterns. I had the two side by side for a couple months.
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Honestly, I have no interested in putting anything between the beautiful output from the Sony 1100 and my screen. I sold my A-lens and not looking back, but if I was, this is a great price. The problem is that it really might not be high enough quality for 4K. I'm also not sure if the Sony provides the stretch (or is it squeeze?) processing in 4K. From what I recall, it's only there for 1080, not 4K. Feel free to correct any of this as I could easily be wrong.
Correct. None of the Sony 4K projectors can do vertical stretch on 4K content. 1080P and down, yes, but not 4K.
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How much better is the vw1100 than the vw500 in terms of perceived contrast? Have anyone here done a side by side testing of the two and if so, how much better contrast do YOU think the vw1100 has?

I have seen both but never at the same time side by side.
I first owned the 500, moved up to the 1100, wouldn't go back!

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Correct. None of the Sony 4K projectors can do vertical stretch on 4K content. 1080P and down, yes, but not 4K.
I'd temporarily forgotten that as well. Oh well Panamorph can keep their new cheapy A-lens in that case.
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No issues with a PC handling the vertical stretch.

Also I'd pass on that lens for this projector, especially when b-stock UH480's sell for as little as $1200, aka only $200 more than the cheapo Panamorph.
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No issues with a PC handling the vertical stretch.

Also I'd pass on that lens for this projector, especially when b-stock UH480's sell for as little as $1200, aka only $200 more than the cheapo Panamorph.
Yeah true re PC, but same perennial issue persists. How's that going to help you when you want to connect your FMP-X10 or upcoming UHD bluray player to the projector for vertical stretch. Of course I'm sure at some stage when UHD capable PC drives come out and you'll eventually be able to do that too.

Yeah tending to agree re the cheapo Panamorph model. Right now they only projector that it's not minor appeal for is my old VW95. But even then zooming isn't worrying me that much.
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In hearing about the new Sony1200, I think I'll be keeping my 1000/1100 for another yr or 2 (are they really going to ask $40K for it?!). I'm now ~ 2200 hrs on my 4th lamp, so time for a new one, even though the present one is not that bad.

As an aside, my son-in-law recently asked my advice about a new tv for their family room. It's been ~7-8 yrs since I bought a tv (a Sony 52", 1080p, for the bedroom, for ~ $2500 IIRC), and I was astounded at how much the prices have come down. Wish that those for projectors had done the same. A 75" 2015 Samsung (no 3D, no curved screen) is ~ $2200 for a 1080p set and ~$3800 for a 4K one. (I don't think 4K has anything to offer even for this size tv, esp since there will be little 4K source material for some yrs.) So $2200 for a top line 75" 1080p set is amazing.
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In hearing about the new Sony1200, I think I'll be keeping my 1000/1100 for another yr or 2 (are they really going to ask $40K for it?!). I'm now ~ 2200 hrs on my 4th lamp, so time for a new one, even though the present one is not that bad.
Uh, where is this info? Do you have a link?
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Uh, where is this info? Do you have a link?
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PS, you do know there was an April fools release the circulated about a VW1200 yeah?
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PS, you do know there was an April fools release the circulated about a VW1200 yeah?
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Uh, where is this info? Do you have a link?
It's in the 20k+ forum. Of course it's not officially confirmed yet but Kraine did have the other info on Sony's other projectors. Here's the link: SONY VPL-VW1200ES 4K SXRD Laser projector with 8K simulation


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It's in the 20k+ forum. Of course it's not officially confirmed yet but Kraine did have the other info on Sony's other projectors. Here's the link: SONY VPL-VW1200ES 4K SXRD Laser projector with 8K simulation


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The convo on that thread seems to have steered towards the commercial model laser that Sony's producing. There's nothing firm on a consumer version that would serve as a possible successor to the 1100 as yet, only a bit of speculation. We can only hope for some more concrete news out of Sony shortly. It's not long really till one would expect the info to start flowing through in their yearly product cycle if there's any.
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My hypothetical question for current 1000/1100ES owners is if this new (supposed) 1200ES laser based machine is real and all it offers over the 1100ES is a longer lasting light source would anyone buy it? And please consider the huge price increase it has over the 1100ES.

In that same vein, what would this new machine also need to give you to make you pony up the cash for one? Remember the theorized price is double the price of the 1100ES. I'm thinking higher native on/off contrast(at least 20000:1), native (filter-less) P3 support, a working CMS, a high quality vertical stretch mode that works with native 4K input material, and alterations on how the dynamic iris works (similar to how the 600ES and current generation JVC's work). Any others?

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IMO, a $40k consumer projector from Sony makes no sense regardless of features. This has to be a commercial price point, especially with the pseudo 8k ability which has no benefit in a home theater environment.

IF they use the core 1100 platform, they should be able to add new aspects of functionality without the development cost of an entire new platform. Sort of like what BMW does with LCI upgrades on the same core model for a number of years before a complete redesign.

So case, chassis, lens, cover, motors, fans, and overall manufacturing structure might not requiring much engineering or retooling reinvestment, which always must be re-couped with the price of a truly new model. Newer power supply, panels, and logic board processing would be more evolutionary changes. Laser or LED light source would be the most costly change I'm guessing/hoping.
If Sony changes the light source, it changes the light engine, which changes the cooling (unless done outboard), which changes the housing. In other words, most likely an all new design.

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In that same vein, what would this new machine also need to give you to make you pony up the cash for one? Remember the theorized price is double the price of the 1100ES. I'm thinking higher native on/off contrast(at least 20000:1), native (filter-less) P3 support, a working CMS, a high quality vertical stretch mode that works with native 4K input material, and alterations on how the dynamic iris works (similar to how the 600ES and current generation JVC's work). Any others?
Sony's flagship projectors have always been outstanding, so one would expect their first flagship laser to be of similar quality; meaning I'm certainly interested. But I want *way* more lumens (min. 2000+), *after* any black-frame insertion and calibration; full HDR and a wider gamut. And contrast higher than existing models would be icing on the cake. Would also want it to be at least as quiet as the current machines...

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One thing I don't want from a new projector is a half-finished job, with promises of upgrades etc that we witnessed with the 1000...

Has to be perfect from the offset and ready to give years of service...

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While the new Sony commercial 4K laser models may start at $50K MSRP, remember that the current VPL-GT100 (i.e. commercial version of the VW1100) currently has a street price of about $35K and a MSRP of $49,900. By that pricing history, if there is a consumer laser HT version it may be priced not much different than the current MSRP for the VW1100.

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This would be excellent. Doesnt look like that commercial version does anything the consumer version doesn't do, either. Or did I miss a specification?
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Sony's flagship projectors have always been outstanding, so one would expect their first flagship laser to be of similar quality; meaning I'm certainly interested. But I want *way* more lumens (min. 2000+), *after* any black-frame insertion and calibration; full HDR and a wider gamut. And contrast higher than existing models would be icing on the cake. Would also want it to be at least as quiet as the current machines...

I dont know about "after" black frame insertion, but everything you just mentioned is part of the GTZ270 unit. Here's hoping that Ron's speculation is right about a possible consumer model that is basically identical to the commercial one for around the MSRP of the 1100ES. If the calibrated lumens we get from the 5000 lumen spec is a reasonable % of that max, then I am likely in.
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This would be excellent. Doesnt look like that commercial version does anything the consumer version doesn't do, either. Or did I miss a specification?
It has a different motherboard. It has DisplayPort instead of HDMI and was fine out of the box with accepting 4K60p whereas the 1000ES did not. Performance should be identical. I suppose that's all that matters.
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Cool -- they can go ahead and remove displayport from the VPL-GTZ270 then and drop it $20k from the assumed $50k price point and lets see what happens.
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I'm retiring at the end of this month and have backup lamps, so not planning on an upgrade anytime soon. In fact, I'm hoping my next display is either a UHD capable VR display and/or an affordable 100+ inch UHD display, hopefully OLED.

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I'm having an issue with my upgraded vw1000es. I'm connecting a Surface Pro3 directly to it (this is just a temporary setup, don't ask!) via Mini Displayport to HDMI and watching streaming movies is not smooth. It will *sometimes* be smooth, but it stutters and sometimes lags as if it doesn't have enough processing power. When I look at the Surface screen, the 1080p video is running completely smoothly, so why is it stuttering when connected to the projector? It's not a major stutter but it's just annoying enough to make a movie barely watchable.
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Do you have both screens on? Sometimes computers powering more than one screen have issues compositing both screens. Also are you outputting 1080p or 4K to the projector? If 4K I seriously doubt the Surface has enough power to scale content to 4K.
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