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That sounds nice. However, that diagram seems to pretty clearly state that the Sony 4K projectors have those features in the boxes? Do you know if the others do 120Hz playback with 4k native sources?

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Nope, they cannot. I would also imagine that for the 120hz input to work on the 5000ES, it would need to be with a PC connected it to (dual outputs) or some other proprietary method as only Display Port or dual HDMI/DVI (with the PC set up as two monitors side-by-side) can offer enough bandwidth from consumer devices for 4K at that refresh rate.
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Nope, they cannot.
Just want to make sure I understand. I was talking about 120Hz output, not input, since I believe the diagram is about output. Are you saying the motion interpolation cannot be enabled if the source is 4k@24Hz on the VW1100 and VW665?

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Just want to make sure I understand. I was talking about 120Hz output, not input, since I believe the diagram is about output. Are you saying the motion interpolation cannot be enabled if the source is 4k@24Hz on the VW1100 and VW665?

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Oh, that's my fault for misunderstanding. I cannot confirm this 100% on the 665ES, but no you cannot enable frame interpolation with a 4K/UHD 24hz input on the 1100ES. If I remember correctly, you cannot on the 665ES either.
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The 665 does 4K/24.

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The 665 does 4K/24.
Was that a response to me? If so, did you mean to say it could do motion interpolation with 4K/24?

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The 665 does 4K/24.
According to the user manual it does not. Only Impluse works and this is just a dark frame insertion mode, not creative frame interpolation:

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I thought he meant 4K/24 in general. I have had a few people ask me if it only does 4K/60.

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1100ES + Sammy UHD Player + Lumagen Radiance Pro

Has any one tried this combo. yet? 1100ES + Sammy UHD Player + Lumagen Radiance Pro

If so, is it smooth? How about signal loss or any handshake issues and numerous other glitches a lot of people are reporting in general (their individual setups)?
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Has any one tried this combo. yet? 1100ES + Sammy UHD Player + Lumagen Radiance Pro

If so, is it smooth? How about signal loss or any handshake issues and numerous other glitches a lot of people are reporting in general (their individual setups)?
Last night, for the first time. No handshake or processing issues. The Pro showed a 2160x3840/24 4:4:4 input and sent out a 2160x3840/24 4:2:2: (which is the way I have it set up). Lumagen will issue a new firmware soon to handle the processing of the HDR flags.
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Last night, for the first time. No handshake or processing issues. The Pro showed a 2160x3840/24 4:4:4 input and sent out a 2160x3840/24 4:2:2: (which is the way I have it set up). Lumagen will issue a new firmware soon to handle the processing of the HDR flags.

How did it look ?


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Greater detail was evident, There were some panning issues, not sure if it is the source, Pro, or projector. Color seem muted and flat in lower light scenes, OK in bright scenes. I have the Blu-Ray and 3D, so I will compare in time.
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How many people here with the 1000 or 1100 have seen the contrast issues raised in the other thread. I have the opportunity to get the 1100 at a fairly good price. I now have the JVC 600, which is pretty damned good.


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How many people here with the 1000 or 1100 have seen the contrast issues raised in the other thread. I have the opportunity to get the 1100 at a fairly good price. I now have the JVC 600, which is pretty damned good.


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How many people here with the 1000 or 1100 have seen the contrast issues raised in the other thread. I have the opportunity to get the 1100 at a fairly good price. I now have the JVC 600, which is pretty damned good.


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I would never choose the VW1100 over the RS600 and, yes I have owned both (still own the RS600).
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Sent you a PM with my opinion.
So what is your opinion?
Are you offering a trade in on the 1100es?
Whats new on the horizon that would be a good replacement?
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The 665 does 4K/24.
Joe, the first 100 5000's are in country, is one of them for you?
If so, when will you have it?
Really looking forward to your review!
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Joe, the first 100 5000's are in country, is one of them for you?
If so, when will you have it?
Really looking forward to your review!
Absolutely! I jumped in immediately and am hopeful mine (being one of the first to hit) could be here anytime. I am planning to hire a third party unbiased party to measure it for my Review.

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Considering the people posting and PMing him have owned both why is it a bad thing for them to give their opinion? Some in this thread haven't and yet are the ones rolling their eyes. He asked a pretty clear cut question and yet they get flak about giving their opinion.
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DIE, SONY, DIE!

ALL HAIL JVC!

I guess Mr. Peer has the right idea, get both and switch back and forth depending on content.
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Considering the people posting and PMing him have owned both why is it a bad thing for them to give their opinion? Some in this thread haven't and yet are the ones rolling their eyes. He asked a pretty clear cut question and yet they get flak about giving their opinion.
Reasonable comment. What can't be stated out load in this thread, and must be PM'd behind closed doors
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Reasonable comment. What can't be stated out load in this thread, and must be PM'd behind closed doors
Mike as a dealer cannot post his opinion publicly on the forum. He gives his opinion via PM.
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Mike as a dealer cannot post his opinion publicly on the forum. He gives his opinion via PM.
I'm sure he could give a positive opinion without being biased.
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Has any one tried this combo. yet? 1100ES + Sammy UHD Player + Lumagen Radiance Pro

If so, is it smooth? How about signal loss or any handshake issues and numerous other glitches a lot of people are reporting in general (their individual setups)?
I need to go to Best Buy and pick up my Sammy which came in this morning. Don't have a Lumagen and I sincerely hope I won't have to buy one, but I fear I might.
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For those interested in emailing Sony for a possible HDMI and/or HDR revision to the 1000/1100es please email to the following addresses:

SonySupportUsa@am.sony.com

Also cc to this email address, which was used as a contact email for the first upgrade to the 1000es:

installsupport@am.sony.com

The European email address was already given a few pages back.

Please post any results you hear.
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How many people here with the 1000 or 1100 have seen the contrast issues raised in the other thread. I have the opportunity to get the 1100 at a fairly good price. I now have the JVC 600, which is pretty damned good.


Any input would be appreciated.


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Picture quality arguments aside, I think you need to look at the long term investment with the 1100ES. Currently, with what we collectively know about this unit, it does not appear the 1100ES will get updated to support HDR or even conversion of REC2020 to P3 or REC709 color spaces. So what this means is that you'll only be getting 4K24p 8 bit REC709 SDR content from the UHD BD players with the players and standalone video processors (Lumagen Pro) that are currently out. Who knows what Lumagen can do though if they update the Pro. If they could allow for REC2020 to P3 color space conversion while also keeping the 10bit video in tact you'd only be missing out on HDR with the 1100ES. But we don't know if Lumagen will do this yet. The JVC can receive and through eshift and gamut conversion display the 4K24p 10bit HDR REC2020 source that's on the disc. So out of all the enhancements UHD Blu-ray has to offer, with HDR and wide color gamuts being arguably the biggest and most important improvements, the 1100ES won't give you access to those. You'll likely only receive the small detail enhancement over 1080p blu-ray with the new format. That is unless Sony updates the unit to include some of these features or there's a solution you can place in between the uHD BD player and the 1100ES (Lumagen Pro or using an HTPC as your playback device) but until that happens (or if it happens) you really can't get a lot out of this new format with the 1100ES. And as long as the 1100ES you get doesn't have an issue with contrast loss (though all info points to it happening on all units at some point) both projectors will offer an astounding image, each with their own relatively small pluses and minuses. And my personal opinion is that without at least one of these features being supported on the 1100ES, it makes for a bad "future proof" investment. From what I hear, JVC will have a native 4K unit out next year for around the same price as the 1100ES. The rumor I heard is that it will be a brighter unit with a laser light source. I'm hoping for the asking price we can see a lens near the quality of this Sony unit plus the native contrast performance JVC is famous for with full support for UHD BD. Though nothing has been 100% confirmed so we'll have to wait and see what happens at CEDIA.

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Reasonable comment. What can't be stated out load in this thread, and must be PM'd behind closed doors
I am a dealer for both. If the same question was asked in the JVC thread, I would PM there too. Manufacturer's do not like seeing a dealer recommending one company over another. I do not have a problem stating factual differences between the projectors. Contact me and I have no problem telling you which projector I would recommend for you, based on your situation.

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I am a dealer for both. If the same question was asked in the JVC thread, I would PM there too. Manufacturer's do not like seeing a dealer recommending one company over another. I do not have a problem stating factual differences between the projectors. Contact me and I have no problem telling you which projector I would recommend for you, based on your situation.

I will say this, last year it was much easier, if the person had a large screen.
Hi Mike, understood. I thought the PM point was to do with the question: "How many people here with the 1000 or 1100 have seen the contrast issues raised in the other thread." This surely can be addressed in this thread.
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Hi Mike, understood. I thought the PM point was to do with the question: "How many people here with the 1000 or 1100 have seen the contrast issues raised in the other thread." This surely can be addressed in this thread.
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