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The Panasonic DMP-UB900 can map HDR to SDR. Can it map P3 color to rec.709 too? I don't know that one. But if the player can do this mapping and you don't need the other Lumagen features you could save yourself some dough.
Is this true? can we confirm, does it do exactly what lumagen pro will do when the update comes out?
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Meridian told my installers they would do an upgrade/exchange program sometime in 2016 because they told me it specifically doesnt handle it....
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Is this true? can we confirm, does it do exactly what lumagen pro will do when the update comes out?
I doubt it would be "exactly". And the review didn't mention anything about mapping the color gamut. Is it better to map the colors or just clip so you get as much true P3 as the Sony is capable of up to 75%? I don't know it's all so new but worth looking into.
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The VW1000 first started shipping February 2012. Contrast on JVC's top two models in 2013 is the same as the RS500 and RS600. The difference is light output. Back then the JVC's were dim compared to the Sony projectors. JVC said there was no reason to bring out a true 4K projector, when there was no 4K content. Well, we now have 4K content. JVC will not announce anything early, but I would not be surprised if JVC did have a true 4K projector at CEDIA. Question is, what price point?

If they have the 4K projector and the same price point as current models I will be floored. In my opinion they would be shooting themselves in the foot especially with the gains made with the RS500/600 models .If they do introduce a 4K at the lower price point, Sony will be floored and so they should. My guess is if JVC does bring a 4K to the table and that is the only gain over the RS series I would expect it to be between the price point of the RS series and possibly lower than the VW665ES. If Sony wasn't there at this high mark I'd guess JVC would be up there themselves. It's all a guessing game until the fall, will be interesting for sure .

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If they have the 4K projector and the same price point as current models I will be floored. In my opinion they would be shooting themselves in the foot especially with the gains made with the RS500/600 models .If they do introduce a 4K at the lower price point, Sony will be floored and so they should. My guess is if JVC does bring a 4K to the table and that is the only gain over the RS series I would expect it to be between the price point of the RS series and possibly lower than the VW665ES. If Sony wasn't there at this high mark I'd guess JVC would be up there themselves. It's all a guessing game until the fall, will be interesting for sure .
What in my post gave you an idea that I was talking anywhere near the same price point as the current models? My guess, if anything, would be a new top of the line model above the current top of the line. Only question is how much above? Remember the projector could even be laser, since JVC has been building and selling laser projectors for a few years now.

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What in my post gave you an idea that I was talking anywhere near the same price point as the current models? My guess, if anything, would be a new top of the line model above the current top of the line. Only question is how much above? Remember the projector could even be laser, since JVC has been building and selling laser projectors for a few years now.

The part in bold maybe, the remark is ambiguous ? Your quote below. I was just taking a stab at it , never said that you expected or thought it was the same.


The VW1000 first started shipping February 2012. Contrast on JVC's top two models in 2013 is the same as the RS500 and RS600. The difference is light output. Back then the JVC's were dim compared to the Sony projectors. JVC said there was no reason to bring out a true 4K projector, when there was no 4K content. Well, we now have 4K content. JVC will not announce anything early, but I would not be surprised if JVC did have a true 4K projector at CEDIA. Question is, what price point?

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The part in bold maybe, the remark is ambiguous ? Your quote below. I was just taking a stab at it , never said that you expected or thought it was the same.


The VW1000 first started shipping February 2012. Contrast on JVC's top two models in 2013 is the same as the RS500 and RS600. The difference is light output. Back then the JVC's were dim compared to the Sony projectors. JVC said there was no reason to bring out a true 4K projector, when there was no 4K content. Well, we now have 4K content. JVC will not announce anything early, but I would not be surprised if JVC did have a true 4K projector at CEDIA. Question is, what price point?
Sorry, I was not clear. I expect the current models to carry through another year, but think it is time for a native 4K projector from JVC, so that only leaves room for a higher priced projector. If it also includes laser, then it is going to be one heck of a projector.

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Sorry, I was not clear. I expect the current models to carry through another year, but think it is time for a native 4K projector from JVC, so that only leaves room for a higher priced projector. If it also includes laser, then it is going to be one heck of a projector.

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I received my Lumagen a few days ago and put together my first 3D LUT. Everything looks great. However, I noticed something during some of the darker test patterns that has me scratching my head, and I noticed it a couple times while watching TV last night. On dark grey / black test patterns and when a TV show has a "blank" screen inserted between scenes, instead of a uniform grey, I am getting strips going up and down all over the screen. Any ideas what this is? Is there a problem with my projector? I think I am within a few months of expiration on the warranty.
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I received my Lumagen a few days ago and put together my first 3D LUT. Everything looks great. However, I noticed something during some of the darker test patterns that has me scratching my head, and I noticed it a couple times while watching TV last night. On dark grey / black test patterns and when a TV show has a "blank" screen inserted between scenes, instead of a uniform grey, I am getting strips going up and down all over the screen. Any ideas what this is? Is there a problem with my projector? I think I am within a few months of expiration on the warranty.
If you do not see this without the Lumagen, then the projector does not have a problem.

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I should have mentioned I was seeing this during calibrations prior to receiving the Lumagen. That being said, I'm curious if my Denon 7200 might be the problem. I'll try to eliminate that variable this weekend.
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The new Oppo coming in early 2017 will also have the ability to stretch 4K for use with the A-lens .
What is your source for this?!
(Been trawling the internet but found nothing that references a new Oppo 4K player having the ability to do a 4K anamorphic stretch.)

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What is your source for this?!
(Been trawling the internet but found nothing that references a new Oppo 4K player having the ability to do a 4K anamorphic stretch.)

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I emailed Lumagen and that is what I was told by the tech that answered. Not going to be available until some time in 2017 though. The Lumagen will also stretch 4K but it will have to be one of their new
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I emailed Lumagen and that is what I was told by the tech that answered. Not going to be available until some time in 2017 though. The Lumagen will also stretch 4K but it will have to be one of their new
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I received my Lumagen a few days ago and put together my first 3D LUT. Everything looks great. However, I noticed something during some of the darker test patterns that has me scratching my head, and I noticed it a couple times while watching TV last night. On dark grey / black test patterns and when a TV show has a "blank" screen inserted between scenes, instead of a uniform grey, I am getting strips going up and down all over the screen. Any ideas what this is? Is there a problem with my projector? I think I am within a few months of expiration on the warranty.
You might want to try a hard power cycle on the Lumagen, or do a factory reset which will clear any glitches
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This appears to be the problem that was pointed out by Mark Haflich, among others. But I remember he also said that the brighter bands, while there, should be barely noticeable. A PM to him might help.

The issue is related, apparently, to a not so ideal design of the power supply that needs to flicker the bulb to prolong its life. My understanding is that the bands are more likely to occur in the older VPL-VW1000ES (including those with upgraded video signal processing board) than in the newer VPL-VW1100ES. I've got a VPL-VW1100ES manufactured in November 2014, with a few hundred hours on board, and I don't see any of the bright bands that you've noticed. Touch wood, hope I'll never see them.

If you think your PJ became worse than when it was new, a ring to Sony may be in order. The ES line comes with a three-year warranty.

Incidentally, what screen are you using? Type of screen fabric material? Gain? Size of the screen? Throw distance? Viewing distance? I am asking because your photos, aside for the brighter bands, show terrible hotspotting.
We were at a client's home yesterday with an upgraded 1000ES (to 1100es). In the process of setting up the system with a new Lumagen 4k processor the banding issue discussed was observed? Seems to end up right in the middle of test patterns. We did not notice it during a previous calibration on this projector last year.
When adjusting the gray scale using the projector controls (custom 3)prior to completing an automated 3D Lut with Calman 5, we found we had to turn up the red control to maximum on the gain settings to get it close to 6500. I recall that UHP bulbs are weak in red,but this seemed excessive. About 800 hours on the current bulb. Although the results came out pretty well, I am wondering if something is wrong on the projector and might be worth repairing?
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We were at a client's home yesterday with an upgraded 1000ES (to 1100es). In the process of setting up the system with a new Lumagen 4k processor the banding issue discussed was observed? Seems to end up right in the middle of test patterns. We did not notice it during a previous calibration on this projector last year.
When adjusting the gray scale using the projector controls (custom 3)prior to completing an automated 3D Lut with Calman 5, we found we had to turn up the red control to maximum on the gain settings to get it close to 6500. I recall that UHP bulbs are weak in red,but this seemed excessive. About 800 hours on the current bulb. Although the results came out pretty well, I am wondering if something is wrong on the projector and might be worth repairing?
Thanks in advance for any insight!
Did you the test with the Pro and the UHD Player ?
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Guys, the scrolling band is from a protection circuit built in to protect the lamp. There is a way to shut off the protection circuit in the service menu but it drastically reduces the life of lamp. It's not source related, though certain input refresh modes do make it show up more often. I've found that 24p shows it the least.
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Did you the test with the Pro and the UHD Player ?
Do you mean the Lumagen Radiance Pro? We tried 4k from Roku, a Sony server and a Samung UHD player feed the Lumagen. Everything looks pretty good. The banding as other people have mentioned as well only shows up on the test patterns. If the projector didn't have the banding last year and has it now would seem to indicate a failure of some sort or another. Just trying to get the most of out of a $28,000 projo. Thanks!
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Guys, the scrolling band is from a protection circuit built in to protect the lamp. There is a way to shut off the protection circuit in the service menu but it drastically reduces the life of lamp. It's not source related, though certain input refresh modes do make it show up more often. I've found that 24p shows it the least.
Thanks! Since we didn't observe the problem until recently would seem to indicate that failure has occurred? Or the banding is progressively getting worse? Kind of a piss off on a VERY expensive device.
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Thanks! Since we didn't observe the problem until recently would seem to indicate that failure has occurred? Or the banding is progressively getting worse? Kind of a piss off on a VERY expensive device.
I doubt it's failure of something. The issue is highly dependent on the type of content being displayed and the refresh rate at which the content feeding the projector. People have reported seeing it in the past with test patterns before, but it rarely is a visible artifact with content actually being displayed. When I had my 1100ES here, I only noticed that issue once or twice. I found the issue of posterization within the image a much more frequent artifact as it's something SXRD driver based and not something that can be fixed. If you have a gresyscale ramp test pattern, display it and you'll see banding like this:



Posterization looks like this:

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Against my better judgment, I have been reading far too much on the 5000es thread and now it's going to get me in trouble. The last thing I would predict is selling my perfectly working 1100es at this stage of the game and purchasing a 5000es. The only thing making me a bit tentative is the high price and the large overly industrial design of the projector. The reviews are so exceptional, don't think I can resist.
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Against my better judgment, I have been reading far too much on the 5000es thread and now it's going to get me in trouble. The last thing I would predict is selling my perfectly working 1100es at this stage of the game and purchasing a 5000es. The only thing making me a bit tentative is the high price and the large overly industrial design of the projector. The reviews are so exceptional, don't think I can resist.
Fear not.. I succumbed last week to ordering one. My pricing from Sony Pro is that good that it was that hard at all to justify, especially once I've offloaded my 1100 and 500. With that said, word is there is a handy back log now due to a recent earthquake near one of the Sony plants in Japan. I was told 12 weeks and waiting to hear further on that.
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I doubt it's failure of something. The issue is highly dependent on the type of content being displayed and the refresh rate at which the content feeding the projector. People have reported seeing it in the past with test patterns before, but it rarely is a visible artifact with content actually being displayed. When I had my 1100ES here, I only noticed that issue once or twice. I found the issue of posterization within the image a much more frequent artifact as it's something SXRD driver based and not something that can be fixed. If you have a gresyscale ramp test pattern, display it and you'll see banding like this:



Posterization looks like this:

Thanks for the input! I went back today and with the bar in the image it is impossible to get accurate readings for any calibration. As mentioned it ends up on the middle of the pattern. I am also concerned that red measures very low on any of the presets and only by turning up the gain to 30 (maximum) was I able to get a semblance of 6500. If the set won't let me calibrate than it needs to be repaired.IMHO. I ordered a new bulb today and will try that before pulling it out and sending in for a fix. Unless someone has any other insight?
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Oh, so this explains why Mark has been absent from these forums lately. We miss him, and we wish him well and a speedy recovery of his typing fingers amongst everything else. Thanks, Mike.

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Oh, so this explains why Mark has been absent from these forums lately. We miss him, and we wish him well and a speedy recovery of his typing fingers amongst everything else. Thanks, Mike.
Yes we miss him. Can't wait to one day read his input on the 5000.
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Thanks for the input! I went back today and with the bar in the image it is impossible to get accurate readings for any calibration. As mentioned it ends up on the middle of the pattern. I am also concerned that red measures very low on any of the presets and only by turning up the gain to 30 (maximum) was I able to get a semblance of 6500. If the set won't let me calibrate than it needs to be repaired.IMHO. I ordered a new bulb today and will try that before pulling it out and sending in for a fix. Unless someone has any other insight?
We replaced the bulb today and the bar in the image went away, at least very difficult to notice. We then recalibrated and found the red levels on the gain settings could be reduced from 30(max) to 20,so a nice improvement. We did a quick auto-calibration with the Lumagen and Calman software and the image is starting to look very good. Will have to wait for more hours on the bulb before fine tuning the calibration,but things are looking up. I will say bulbs are starting to look like a weak link in these designs. The unit we replaced had under 800 hours on it. Admittedly the high lamp setting ,but still short lived IMHO. After calibrating a couple of the new laser based VPL VW5000ES projectors,it became obvious that it won't be long and we will leave UHP bulbs behind.
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We replaced the bulb today and the bar in the image went away, at least very difficult to notice. We then recalibrated and found the red levels on the gain settings could be reduced from 30(max) to 20,so a nice improvement. We did a quick auto-calibration with the Lumagen and Calman software and the image is starting to look very good. Will have to wait for more hours on the bulb before fine tuning the calibration,but things are looking up. I will say bulbs are starting to look like a weak link in these designs. The unit we replaced had under 800 hours on it. Admittedly the high lamp setting ,but still short lived IMHO. After calibrating a couple of the new laser based VPL VW5000ES projectors,it became obvious that it won't be long and we will leave UHP bulbs behind.
After surfing around this thread and considering the issues I am noting on the 1000ES (Upgraded) we have been working on, I am wondering if the lamp power supply might be a problem? As mentioned the banding was very noticeable on an 800 hour bulb which had to be replaced and then I noticed the new lamp took an extended period to come up to full brightness upon initial start up. Is the lamp power supply different on a 1100ES than an upgraded 1000ES?
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After surfing around this thread and considering the issues I am noting on the 1000ES (Upgraded) we have been working on, I am wondering if the lamp power supply might be a problem? As mentioned the banding was very noticeable on an 800 hour bulb which had to be replaced and then I noticed the new lamp took an extended period to come up to full brightness upon initial start up. Is the lamp power supply different on a 1100ES than an upgraded 1000ES?
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