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Because putting a new bulb in my low 1000s contrast 1100ES doesn't make it new again...
It may not make it "new" again but I replaced the bulb in my 1100ES and it was like night and day. Of course the decline in brightness is so gradual that you don't realize it is happening. Then when I put the bulb in it, I was amazed by the difference.

Replace the bulb and keep the old bulb as a backup in case the new one goes out or as a comparison bulb in the future.

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It may not make it "new" again but I replaced the bulb in my 1100ES and it was like night and day. Of course the decline in brightness is so gradual that you don't realize it is happening. Then when I put the bulb in it, I was amazed by the difference.

Replace the bulb and keep the old bulb as a backup in case the new one goes out or as a comparison bulb in the future.
I'm not the one trying to keep a bulb with more than 2500 hours on it in my 1100ES, that was another poster. I have a unity gain 160" screen and like to show 3D, so I'm pushing things as it is. That being said, some bulbs last longer than others. I was simply taking exception to the implication that the old mantra in my previous Rear Projection DLP days was "replace the bulb and its like new again" also applies to SXRD tech when it really doesn't. Of course, my old Sammy DLP has stuck mirrors, but I can get a new chip for $200 for it. Wish I could do the same for the broken Sony tech.

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Hi, that is the expected response, there was no chance Sony was going to offer another update on the aging VW1000/1100 platform. Best case scenario is UHD / SDR / R709.

The color temp should be set to D65, not DCI.

I guess that begs the question, will Sony, in 2017, offer a 4K pj successor to the VW1100 with 18Gbps/100%P3/HDR in it's price range, or will they do so with the successor to the VW665 in its price range? I suspect what they do depends on what other true 4K projectors come to market to remain competitive.
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I guess that begs the question, will Sony, in 2017, offer a 4K pj successor to the VW1100 with 18Gbps/100%P3/HDR in it's price range, or will they do so with the successor to the VW665 in its price range? I suspect what they do depends on what other true 4K projectors come to market to remain competitive.
The JVC DLA-RS4500 is only a few thousand dollars away from the VW1100ES in price. So if they did decide to go against it, they'd have to upgrade the VW1100ES platform to be more competitive to it. That would mean AT LEAST; a laser light engine, 1000+ more calibrated REC709 lumens, a wider color gamut compared to the VW1100ES, 18Gbps HDMI 2.0 inputs, more native on/off contrast compared to the VW1100ES, creative frame interpolation that works with a 4K input, HDR10 and HDR Hybrid Log support, a working on board CMS and possibly an "auto calibration" mode. \

It's a lot to ask for and Sony has never been the one to offer a "value" based projector before. I don't think there's been a real "bang for the buck" Sony in at least a decade. Other than a 25% deficit in lumen output, the RS4500 offers essentially everything (and more in some cases) that the Sony VPL-VW5000ES does at nearly half the asking price. It's going to be interesting to see what Sony can offer if they do indeed make a model projector at or near the same price point as the RS4500. They would really need to fix the banding and posterization issue and say something a bit more if the panel degradation issue has been resolved. They wouldn't publicly need to say there was an issue per say, but make a little statement in the literature that says "new generation SXRD panel with upgraded adhesives for increased longevity" or something along those lines. Come on marketing department...do your magic.
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The JVC DLA-RS4500 is only a few thousand dollars away from the VW1100ES in price. So if they did decide to go against it, they'd have to upgrade the VW1100ES platform to be more competitive to it. That would mean AT LEAST; a laser light engine, 1000+ more calibrated REC709 lumens, a wider color gamut compared to the VW1100ES, 18Gbps HDMI 2.0 inputs, more native on/off contrast compared to the VW1100ES, creative frame interpolation that works with a 4K input, HDR10 and HDR Hybrid Log support, a working on board CMS and possibly an "auto calibration" mode. \

It's a lot to ask for and Sony has never been the one to offer a "value" based projector before. I don't think there's been a real "bang for the buck" Sony in at least a decade. Other than a 25% deficit in lumen output, the RS4500 offers essentially everything (and more in some cases) that the Sony VPL-VW5000ES does at nearly half the asking price. It's going to be interesting to see what Sony can offer if they do indeed make a model projector at or near the same price point as the RS4500. They would really need to fix the banding and posterization issue and say something a bit more if the panel degradation issue has been resolved. They wouldn't publicly need to say there was an issue per say, but make a little statement in the literature that says "new generation SXRD panel with upgraded adhesives for increased longevity" or something along those lines. Come on marketing department...do your magic.
The RS4500 is only a few thousand dollars away from the 1100. Where was the RS4500 4 years ago ?? You really think this is a fair comparison ???
Sony was the ONLY 4K premium projector for 3-4 years, 100% paving the way while JVC catered to the low end 1080 buyers. You cannot make true 4K a value today let alone 4 years ago when they just completed all the R & D. JVC finally catches up , they start out at $36,000 and that is affordable ? They are four years late for the party , the parade has long gone . If they made a 4K projector 4 years ago in the sub $10,000 range I would guess then you could call that a better value against the Sony. The stuff you come up with is hilarious. The JVC RS4500 is a new unit, lets see how it measures up in 4 years, if it has issues and what it's value is compared to the latest technology. If I remember correctly you were an over exuberant VW1000 owner at one time, probably had the best projector on the planet . Many still have them apparently and enjoying to the fullest .
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Sony sold the VW1000/1100 as the future of 4K for 25K. Then shenanigans not once, but twice with the UHD media players. Both stopped development shortly after release and abandoned for other ventures. Both were weak attempts with compressed video and non HD sound. Overall effort (projector + media player) was too far ahead of it's time for it's own good.

so those who invested early payed for the R&D into today's models 4+ years later and hopefully fixed the panel issues for good because it was definitely a real issue for those that it happened to.

buying an expensive flagship from any brand has risk this early in the development of HDR. Who knows what will happen in 2-3 years and will JVC or Sony guarantee upgrades?

This feels like one of the safest years to hold onto what you have unless absolutely necessary to replace.
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I guess that begs the question, will Sony, in 2017, offer a 4K pj successor to the VW1100 with 18Gbps/100%P3/HDR in it's price range, or will they do so with the successor to the VW665 in its price range? I suspect what they do depends on what other true 4K projectors come to market to remain competitive.

Sony didn't become the biggest consumer electronics company on the planet by being oblivious . They know what is going on and will respond in kind within the next year my guess. I'd say the next round will definitely meet all the specs required to be competitive . They may be milking the current chassis as long as they can to get the most out of technology they pioneered 4 years ago , but now that JVC have finally put a 4K on the ground they have no choice but to get back in the game. Will be interesting to see what shows up next September, I expect many manufactures to enter the 4K arena with some exciting new features
and maybe some affordable choices . Besides , competition is what drives better technology and competitive prices. If JVC had been in the game 4 years ago the prices for the Sony's would have been better for sure.
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First off, Sony didn't "pave the way"for 4K. They also weren't playing "catch up". JVC actively chose not to invest in 4K for consumers. JVC had a 4K DiLA device before Sony had a 4K SXRD panel. JVC demonstrated it in the fall of 2000. They then refined it again in September of 2004. So JVC had a second generation 4K DiLA device before Sony introduced their first native 4K projector. They had a five year lead over Sony in 4K. JVC has been asked many times as to why they never made a native 4K machine and their answer always boiled down to two things; the cost to manufacture one, which also meant the cost it would be for an end user to buy one and secondly the fact that no UHD standards had been created and implemented in consumer hardware. JVC was essentially saying that they waited to make a native 4K projector until it made sense to do it. I mean look how many 1000ES/1100ES owners have abandoned ship to another projector because these projectors lacked essentially all support to make it compatible with UHD blu-ray. No 2084 EOTF support, no REC2020 compatibility mode, initially didn't have proper HDCP support, lack of HDMI bandwidth to fully support the full UHD BD standard. Now that UHD BD standards have been finalized and there actually being hardware and software to actually utilize a native 4K display they chose to finally make one and bring it to market.

Yes, I did own a 1100ES and it was nice with it's newly installed light engine. I will wager a large bet with you that a RS4500 after four years of regular use will look and perform considerably better than any 1100ES after the same amount of time. And yes, you can do a 4K projector and make it affordable. Like I said in my previous post, JVC has essentially the exact same projector, performing better in a few areas, to Sony's 5000ES. The one pitfall is a modest loss in lumen output over the other (~25%) for HALF the cost. I might say to you that some of the stuff that you come up with is hilarious too. I don't see how you can't put two and two together? As usual you come in less informed than you should.

Like I said, Sony had the ONLY 4K projector on the market since 2012, thanks for confirming . Your imaginary JVC 4K of the time doesn't work bud . The only "real" 4K projector that counts is the one that is for sale as an option to the consumer at a real store in the real world where real people exist . My point was to show how ridiculous it was for you to compare the Sony VW1000 of 4K to the JCV RS4500 introduced 2016 /2017. Sony didn't make an affordable projector at the time , it was just the ONLY LEGITIMATE TRUE 4K available. Your comment from above: "I might say to you that some of the stuff that you come up with is hilarious too. I don't see how you can't put two and two together? As usual you come in less informed than you should ." You realize mature intelligent
people are reading these comments right?
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My Sony is awaiting my new HT completion to be used again. I bought an HD Fury and the new Oppo player. I'm moving to a 7.2.4 system.

What I'm wondering as I buy Atmos encoded movies is the 4K version a really significant step up from the 1080p Bluray versions?

If there is a big difference, suggestions for great films to try first?
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For those who want to imply that the 1000/1100 is obsolete.....here is Louis Kreusel.....a VFX specialist who has worked on flicks like the X-Men-1st Class,Life Of Pi and Fast And Furious praising said PJ.....he highlights some of it's flaws but ultimately seems happy......hell he graded his latest movie with it( Voyage of Time: The IMAX Experience).......not bad for a projector which has "a vacant thread"


Hi Mathieu,
I've used that projector for 4K P3 grading. Overall it works pretty well and the advantages of small size, low power, low heat, and low noise are great. I never had a problem with it's color. I had it calibrated a few times by David Abrams here in LA. I didn't use a LUT box.

I did have a few problems with it. The main problem is that for my size of screen and my throw distance I can not get a full 14 foot-lambert brightness - even with a new bulb. In P3 mode the projector uses an optical filter to achieve the wider gamut and that cuts the brightness a bit. Might not be a problem for you depending on your screen size and throw distance. The second problem is banding. With areas of smooth subtle gradation - blue skies, graphical elements etc, the projector can't really render it properly. This doesn't show up a lot but it's definitely there and it's a problem. I also had a problem with the projector's ability to render small details - like stars of 1-4px in width. If you're main content is drama this will likely not be a problem - typical dialogue scenes etc look great. If you do have something that has a lot of crazy small details that are important to see (stars are the best example) then you will have a problem.

All that being said I used it to grade this movie: http://voyageoftime.imax.com

It was a great experience and the projector held up quite well. We frequently did color reviews via IMAX laser DCP at IMAX HQ which was only 10 minutes drive away and the color held up quite well. It cannot hit the full P3 gamut but it's hard to tell.

http://www.liftgammagain.com/forum/i...s-for-p3.7875/
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This remains an excellent unit. Although, it does have its issues like every other projector the VW 1000 really does have some excellent qualities. Over my 3 + years of ownership, I have had my ups and downs with the unit; but for my viewing in my environment there was not a unit that I saw that I would be comfortable replacing it with in the under 10k range.




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For those who want to imply that the 1000/1100 is obsolete.....here is Louis Kreusel.....a VFX specialist who has worked on flicks like the X-Men-1st Class,Life Of Pi and Fast And Furious praising said PJ.....he highlights some of it's flaws but ultimately seems happy......hell he graded his latest movie with it( Voyage of Time: The IMAX Experience).......not bad for a projector which has "a vacant thread"


Hi Mathieu,
I've used that projector for 4K P3 grading. Overall it works pretty well and the advantages of small size, low power, low heat, and low noise are great. I never had a problem with it's color. I had it calibrated a few times by David Abrams here in LA. I didn't use a LUT box.

I did have a few problems with it. The main problem is that for my size of screen and my throw distance I can not get a full 14 foot-lambert brightness - even with a new bulb. In P3 mode the projector uses an optical filter to achieve the wider gamut and that cuts the brightness a bit. Might not be a problem for you depending on your screen size and throw distance. The second problem is banding. With areas of smooth subtle gradation - blue skies, graphical elements etc, the projector can't really render it properly. This doesn't show up a lot but it's definitely there and it's a problem. I also had a problem with the projector's ability to render small details - like stars of 1-4px in width. If you're main content is drama this will likely not be a problem - typical dialogue scenes etc look great. If you do have something that has a lot of crazy small details that are important to see (stars are the best example) then you will have a problem.

All that being said I used it to grade this movie: http://voyageoftime.imax.com

It was a great experience and the projector held up quite well. We frequently did color reviews via IMAX laser DCP at IMAX HQ which was only 10 minutes drive away and the color held up quite well. It cannot hit the full P3 gamut but it's hard to tell.

http://www.liftgammagain.com/forum/i...s-for-p3.7875/
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Playing 4K/UHD Discs from UB900 to VW1000es

Can anyone help?

I have a VW1000es (not upgraded to HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2).

I have a Panasonic UB900 and I would like to play UHD discs through the Sony.

Has anyone used an HD Fury Integral with success with this combination? If so, is it simple to set up and get working reliably?

I would also like to use the Netflix 4K app on the UB900 through the Sony VW1000es. Will this all work through an HD fury Integral?

Any help/tips greatly appreciated.

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The UB900, via HDFury, into the 1000 certainly works. Make sure to use input 2 on the projector.

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The UB900, via HDFury, into the 1000 certainly works. Make sure to use input 2 on the projector.
Why input 2, isn't it the same as 1 on the VW1000.
Are you placing it before the projector or before the processor?
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Why input 2, isn't it the same as 1 on the VW1000.
Different hardware. Don't ask me why. But input 2 seems to be the one that works for most, whereas input one doesn't.

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I'm using it before the video processor, but if your video processor is HDMI 2.2 then you could place it afterwards. Now that I have the Lumagen PRO I could place the HDFury before the projector, but it works, as is, so I cannot be bothered to fix what ain't broke.

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Different hardware. Don't ask me why. But input 2 seems to be the one that works for most, whereas input one doesn't.



I'm using it before the video processor, but if your video processor is HDMI 2.2 then you could place it afterwards. Now that I have the Lumagen PRO I could place the HDFury before the projector, but it works, as is, so I cannot be bothered to fix what ain't broke.
Thanks Mark, are you yousing the 709 or the DCI color space on VW1000?
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Thanks Mark, are you yousing the 709 or the DCI color space on VW1000?
UHD/SDR/709

My screen is too large for the 1000 as it is; I cannot give up another 20% to the DCI filter.

But UHD/SDR/709 from the UB900 looks mighty fine on the 1000.

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The UB900, via HDFury, into the 1000 certainly works. Make sure to use input 2 on the projector.
Thanks Mark. Was it a fuss to set up? Any settings to look out for?

What settings are different on HDMI2 on the VW1000es may I ask?

I am planning on putting the Integral between my AVRX2200 and the VW1000es.

Have you used the streaming 4K apps in the UB900 with the VW1000es with any success?

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Thanks Mark. Was it a fuss to set up? Any settings to look out for?
It actually was a bit of a fuss, but I was on one of the earliest firmwares. It may be a lot easier now - I haven't messed with it in some time now. It just works.

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What settings are different on HDMI2 on the VW1000es may I ask?
It's a different hardware implementation. As far as I understand, HDMI 1 is a generic chip, HDMI 2 is a proprietary Sony implementation. Why? No idea.

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Have you used the streaming 4K apps in the UB900 with the VW1000es with any success?

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I haven't tried, sorry. I don't see why there would be any problems once the UB900 is working correctly.

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I have been told by a forum member that he was able to get 4K from disc from an Oppo 203 straight to the VW1000es without using an HD Fury Integral.

His Sony VW1000es is not upgraded to HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 so it shouldn't work, but he said it did, and I have no reason to doubt him.

I currently have a UB900 which definitely won't / doesn't do that and will need an HD Fury Integral to circumvent HDCP2.2, but I would much prefer to buy an Opp 203 and use that with the VW1000es than have the Integral in the chain.

He did also mention that the Opp 203 won't currently give him BT2020, just 709, without the Integral.

All input very welcome.

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Can anyone help?

I have a VW1000es (not upgraded to HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2).

I have a Panasonic UB900 and I would like to play UHD discs through the Sony.

Has anyone used an HD Fury Integral with success with this combination? If so, is it simple to set up and get working reliably?

I would also like to use the Netflix 4K app on the UB900 through the Sony VW1000es. Will this all work through an HD fury Integral?

Any help/tips greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.
You wont get Netfix 4k with Integral im afraid

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I have been told by a forum member that he was able to get 4K from disc from an Oppo 203 straight to the VW1000es without using an HD Fury Integral.

His Sony VW1000es is not upgraded to HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 so it shouldn't work, but he said it did, and I have no reason to doubt him.
Maybe it was a disc that had defective/missing HDCP 2.2 implementation?

Honestly, you're not getting WCG or HDR with this projector anyway, so consider the effort you want to go to to circumvent HDCP instead of just using it as an excellent upscaling projector.

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My Oppo 203 was defaulted to 1080p by the manufacturer.
I had to go into the output resolution settings and change it to UHD/24.

It could be possible that fellow's Oppo is in 1080p mode....which is why he had no need for the integral.
Without the Integral I just get a blank screen in UHD/24.

Been playing around with the 4K stretch on the Oppo with the 1000es.
Watched the UHD version of Ghostbusters.
Very impressed.
Fantastic detail and a whole load of beautiful grain thanks to the huge amount of optical dupes in the original negative.
Got some crappy screenshots from my phone of Ghostbusters in action without the lens in front of the PJ on my set up and with the 4K Stretch being applied.
I have a cineslide......no finer sight as it slides the ISCO 1.25 lens into place when the flick begins.
The Oppo stretches the image in 16:9.
The 1000es then rescales to fit it's 17:9 panel using the 2:35 zoom option.
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HDMI 2 has HDCP 2.2. HDMI 1 does not.

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It's a different hardware implementation. As far as I understand, HDMI 1 is a generic chip, HDMI 2 is a proprietary Sony implementation. Why? No idea.
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HDMI 2 has HDCP 2.2. HDMI 1 does not.
Not on the 1000 it doesn't. No HDCP on either 1 or 2, but you still need to use input 2 to get 4K to work well...

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Sony New VPL-VZ1000ES PJ Announced at CES

Sony made a projector announcement at CES and I'm very surprised that they reused the "1000" designation. It appears to have absolutely no relationship to the VPL-VW1000ES so I'm not sure why they decided to use the "1000" designation in the name... It appears to be a totally different animal for a totally different use case. The only thing it appears to have in common with the VPL-VW1000ES is the $25,000 price tag.

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At a whopping $25,000, the VPL-VZ1000ES projector is Sony's latest home theater. The large black rectangle is meant to blend in with your living room and can project a 100-inch image from six inches away.
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Has anyone gotten their UB-900 to send BT.2020 to their 1100ES? I haven't figured out the secret combination to get this to work. Will only do BT.709.
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Has anyone gotten their UB-900 to send BT.2020 to their 1100ES? I haven't figured out the secret combination to get this to work. Will only do BT.709.
I have the Samsung 4K player and not the Panasonic but I don't believe that the 1100 supports BT.2020.

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