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Which glasses? The Xpand IR ones (XPAND X105-IR-X1)?

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I picked up the IR version of these glasses from the Amazon link. They work well with this projector!

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Which glasses? The Xpand IR ones (XPAND X105-IR-X1)?
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This forum has really died down. I am not going to pay for a calibration until my Lumagen Radiance Pro goes out of beta. Has anybody gotten good results with the new Radiance Pro settings for HDR on non-HDR equipment? Maybe we could trade notes.
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Hello Turls,

i get the pro 6 weeks ago finally, after trying anything else with the VW 1100.
I have no clou about calibration, so Oliver from Homecinema Klohs Germany did the calibration Sony+ pro+ Isco 1.25 + Dreamscreen V6 Fabric AND a new lamp, of course it is a compromise , but for my set up 150" wide deep curved screen and the sony in short postion 150" from the screen, he did a great job and the result looks good for me !

Compromise- because it no chance to get 12 bit or 18gps at the sony and there is not enough "HDR" light 1700 ansi against the 2500Ansi from the new short throw Laserhybrid from sony for 25000USD (!).

I still love the picture from VW 1100 coming out of his 9 glass optics, i look forward i will buy a new spare lamp here in forum, to be prepaired to chance it after 4-500 h ?

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P.S. I'm not sure, but i think Lumangen say the Beta of Pro ended with bringing the Tone Mapping
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Experience with Sony UBP-X800 4K Blu-ray with 1100

I wanted to let those with the 1100 projectors that the Sony UBP-X800 4K Blu-ray players work great with the 1100 projector. I previously owned the Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Blu-ray player but wasn't happy with UHD HDR to SDR conversion. Since the 1100 doesn't support HDR and the 60FPS 4K support is limited I was a little worried about the X800 because all of the menus are in 60FPS mode. I am pleased to report that everything works great with the 1100.

The Sony X800 HDR to SDR conversion capability, which is the main reason I replaced the Samsung K8500 with the Sony, works great. On the Samsung I would sometimes get really "wonky" colors with a UHD HDR movie (Angry Birds Movie as an example) but I haven't come across that at all with the Sony X800. I did use the Spears & Munsell Calibration Blu-ray to recalibrate both 2D and 3D and have been very pleased with the results.

I know that everybody's opinion on color reproduction differs but, at this point, I haven't found anything about the X800 that I don't like or that doesn't play well with the 1100.
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I wanted to let those with the 1100 projectors that the Sony UBP-X800 4K Blu-ray players work great with the 1100 projector. I previously owned the Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Blu-ray player but wasn't happy with UHD HDR to SDR conversion. Since the 1100 doesn't support HDR and the 60FPS 4K support is limited I was a little worried about the X800 because all of the menus are in 60FPS mode. I am pleased to report that everything works great with the 1100.

The Sony X800 HDR to SDR conversion capability, which is the main reason I replaced the Samsung K8500 with the Sony, works great. On the Samsung I would sometimes get really "wonky" colors with a UHD HDR movie (Angry Birds Movie as an example) but I haven't come across that at all with the Sony X800. I did use the Spears & Munsell Calibration Blu-ray to recalibrate both 2D and 3D and have been very pleased with the results.

I know that everybody's opinion on color reproduction differs but, at this point, I haven't found anything about the X800 that I don't like or that doesn't play well with the 1100.
Many thanks for your thoughts.

Might get hold of the X800.
I have the Oppo 203 and have been quite pleased with it's overall performance. .

One random question though..........does the X800 have the ability to do a 4k anamorphic stretch?
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Oh, that's fantastic! Thanks very much for sharing your thoughts and experience. I'd probably get a region-free X800, even though it costs about double than the region A player. The problem is I'd have to replace my 2008 model Denon receiver, too.

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I wanted to let those with the 1100 projectors that the Sony UBP-X800 4K Blu-ray players work great with the 1100 projector. I previously owned the Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Blu-ray player but wasn't happy with UHD HDR to SDR conversion. Since the 1100 doesn't support HDR and the 60FPS 4K support is limited I was a little worried about the X800 because all of the menus are in 60FPS mode. I am pleased to report that everything works great with the 1100.

The Sony X800 HDR to SDR conversion capability, which is the main reason I replaced the Samsung K8500 with the Sony, works great. On the Samsung I would sometimes get really "wonky" colors with a UHD HDR movie (Angry Birds Movie as an example) but I haven't come across that at all with the Sony X800. I did use the Spears & Munsell Calibration Blu-ray to recalibrate both 2D and 3D and have been very pleased with the results.

I know that everybody's opinion on color reproduction differs but, at this point, I haven't found anything about the X800 that I don't like or that doesn't play well with the 1100.
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I wanted to let those with the 1100 projectors that the Sony UBP-X800 4K Blu-ray players work great with the 1100 projector. I previously owned the Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Blu-ray player but wasn't happy with UHD HDR to SDR conversion. Since the 1100 doesn't support HDR and the 60FPS 4K support is limited I was a little worried about the X800 because all of the menus are in 60FPS mode. I am pleased to report that everything works great with the 1100.

The Sony X800 HDR to SDR conversion capability, which is the main reason I replaced the Samsung K8500 with the Sony, works great. On the Samsung I would sometimes get really "wonky" colors with a UHD HDR movie (Angry Birds Movie as an example) but I haven't come across that at all with the Sony X800. I did use the Spears & Munsell Calibration Blu-ray to recalibrate both 2D and 3D and have been very pleased with the results.

I know that everybody's opinion on color reproduction differs but, at this point, I haven't found anything about the X800 that I don't like or that doesn't play well with the 1100.
Hello Steve,

thanks for sharing.
What is the main advantage behind it ?
The VW 1100 can take or show no HDR or WCG 2020, it doesn't matter if the signal comes from a sony/samsung or Oppo Player, even the a Fury in the chain, the VW 1100 will "limited" by 4k Resolution still with Rec.709 and no HDR Picture.
What is why I ended up with a Lumagen Pro, after trying anything else.

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Hello Steve,

thanks for sharing.
What is the main advantage behind it ?
The VW 1100 can take or show no HDR or WCG 2020, it doesn't matter if the signal comes from a sony/samsung or Oppo Player, even the a Fury in the chain, the VW 1100 will "limited" by 4k Resolution still with Rec.709 and no HDR Picture.
What is why I ended up with a Lumagen Pro, after trying anything else.

Best Regards dirk
The main advantage is color mapping the UHD HDR Blu-Ray output to something that looks good on the 1100. Obviously, the 1100 can only do so much as it doesn't have HDR and BT2020 but the Sony X800 takes that into consideration and does a very good job of providing the HDR to SDR conversion... Something that my Samsung K8500 didn't do.

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Many thanks for your thoughts.

Might get hold of the X800.
I have the Oppo 203 and have been quite pleased with it's overall performance. .

One random question though..........does the X800 have the ability to do a 4k anamorphic stretch?
Sorry, I have no idea on the 4K anamorphic stretch. Maybe you can post that question on the X800 Owners Forum at OFFICIAL Sony UBP-X800 Owners Thread (No Price Talk)
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I Understand, if you get a visible difference, the Sony makes sense.

Only the Oppo 203 can do VS in 4k /2160p so far.
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Now, that you've had the Xpand IR 3D glasses (X105-IR-X1) with the 1100ES projector for a while, how do you feel about:

- Their level of comfort; and
- Technical performance such as ghosting (crosstalk), etc.

in relation with the original glasses which came with the proiector? Thanks.

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I picked up the IR version of these glasses from the Amazon link. They work well with this projector!
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Now, that you've had the Xpand IR 3D glasses (X105-IR-X1) with the 1100ES projector for a while, how do you feel about:

- Their level of comfort; and
- Technical performance such as ghosting (crosstalk), etc.

in relation with the original glasses which came with the proiector? Thanks.

Hi- the three things I noticed right away about the glasses:
1. Far more comfortable than the Sony glasses or the older Xpand model I have (x104lx1)
2. I can turn my head far more and they don't lose sync (which is nice if I look down at my phone or grab a drink)
3. They detect the projector far faster than the older xpands (I'd have to reset what projector I'm using with the older xpands if they lost all charge)

Anecdotally, I haven't noticed ghosting being a problem, but I don't recall really seeing that much with the older glasses either. I feel like when I tilted my head some with the older Xpands and the Sony glasses sometimes the color would distort a bit. Haven't seen that with the new glasses.
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Thanks a lot, Lanky, your feedback is extremely useful and appreciated.

I do see some crosstalk (ghosting) with the original Sony 3D glasses, not much though. Hopefully, the Xpand IR glasses would be better in this regard.

The Sony glasses would not lose sync unless I walked to a different room outside my HT, but they are heavy and uncomfortable.

Once again, thank you for your help.

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Hi- the three things I noticed right away about the glasses:
1. Far more comfortable than the Sony glasses or the older Xpand model I have (x104lx1)
2. I can turn my head far more and they don't lose sync (which is nice if I look down at my phone or grab a drink)
3. They detect the projector far faster than the older xpands (I'd have to reset what projector I'm using with the older xpands if they lost all charge)

Anecdotally, I haven't noticed ghosting being a problem, but I don't recall really seeing that much with the older glasses either. I feel like when I tilted my head some with the older Xpands and the Sony glasses sometimes the color would distort a bit. Haven't seen that with the new glasses.
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Many thanks for your thoughts.

Might get hold of the X800.
I have the Oppo 203 and have been quite pleased with it's overall performance. .

One random question though..........does the X800 have the ability to do a 4k anamorphic stretch?
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Can you share your projector and OPPO 203 settings? UHDs are unwatchable on the combo for me. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

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Can you share your projector and OPPO 203 settings? UHDs are unwatchable on the combo for me. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ben
Hi Ben

My settings are as follows:

Oppo 203:

HDR : Off

Output resolution : Custom

Custom Resolution : 24 Hz

Color Space: 4:2:2

Color Depth : 12 bit

No other alteration on the Oppo.

On the 1000es:

Reference Mode with auto iris on full or Cinema 1 Mode

No other adjustments.

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Hi Ben

My settings are as follows:

Oppo 203:

HDR : Off

Output resolution : Custom

Custom Resolution : 24 Hz

Color Space: 4:2:2

Color Depth : 12 bit

No other alteration on the Oppo.

On the 1000es:

Reference Mode with auto iris on full or Cinema 1 Mode

No other adjustments.

Thanks for the feedback. I'll give it a try, but I think I've been down this path. I need to check the color space. Oppo wants me to strip the meta data.

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I am trying to understand the "improvement" with the new Sony 885 laser projector:
1. 885 is only 2000 lumens, same as 1100es
2. 18 gbps Vs 10.2 gbps - I don't know how much it would show in the picture. Perhaps a lot?
3. 885 might have HDR but given the 2000 lumens and that my screen is 150" wide, I am assuming that I would not notice the improvement by HDR.
4. Another forum member who upgraded from 1100es emailed me that there was very little difference between his old 1100es as compared to his new Sony 5000. He and his wife viewed both projectors, same room and same screen.. his wife didn't even realize there was a difference.. he said the 1100es had as good of a picture, except that the 5000 was much brighter.. It sounded to me that the 1100es was "almost" as good as the 5000, except for the brightness factor.. Worth the huge premium? perhaps, not for me, but for those in a higher budget bracket.

5. The contrast degradation is an issue for 1100es - are you, the users, noticing it?

I don't really care about laser. Replacement lamps are not that expensive for 1100es. I would not keep the projector long enough to use it for more than 5000 to 7000 hours! Technology is moving too fast, to keep it longer.

Over all, I am thinking that a used 1100es would be a great value, as compared to buying a new 885 laser. Unfortunately, I don't see them on the used market yet.. I would guess they would start showing up, used, once the 885's volume increases.

Thoughts?

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The 1100 is still a great unit in my opinion. I was looking to purchase the 885 and move over to HDR and laser, but after seeing the initial data on the 885 I will keep the 1100. It is not 18gb/s only 10.2 gb/s. This is only my opinion, but I have had my unit for 4 yrs and have minimal degradation. What I have seen however is color space errors/mismatches between hardware causing a raised black floor. I feed my unit RGB or RGB enchanced only. That eliminated any raised black floor for me. All the failed optical blocks really don't make sense to me. However, if the unit has gamma issue or color issues then there maybe some real degradation. My theory is that most failures have been heat related. I am an exclusively low lamp high fan operator. I also change bulbs every 700 hours.
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I've got an issue with the VW1100ES and X800 combo. 4K videos (Planet Earth II) play very well, but the main menu of the player does not display (the projector loses sync once the disc is stopped). Please also see case B here:

OFFICIAL Sony UBP-X800 Owners Thread (No Price Talk)

Any idea about what could be wrong? Are you using similar settings in your setup, or different ones? Thanks.

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I wanted to let those with the 1100 projectors that the Sony UBP-X800 4K Blu-ray players work great with the 1100 projector. I previously owned the Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Blu-ray player but wasn't happy with UHD HDR to SDR conversion. Since the 1100 doesn't support HDR and the 60FPS 4K support is limited I was a little worried about the X800 because all of the menus are in 60FPS mode. I am pleased to report that everything works great with the 1100.

The Sony X800 HDR to SDR conversion capability, which is the main reason I replaced the Samsung K8500 with the Sony, works great. On the Samsung I would sometimes get really "wonky" colors with a UHD HDR movie (Angry Birds Movie as an example) but I haven't come across that at all with the Sony X800. I did use the Spears & Munsell Calibration Blu-ray to recalibrate both 2D and 3D and have been very pleased with the results.

I know that everybody's opinion on color reproduction differs but, at this point, I haven't found anything about the X800 that I don't like or that doesn't play well with the 1100.
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I've got an issue with the VW1100ES and X800 combo. 4K videos (Planet Earth II) play very well, but the main menu of the player does not display (the projector loses sync once the disc is stopped). Please also see case B here:

OFFICIAL Sony UBP-X800 Owners Thread (No Price Talk)

Any idea about what could be wrong? Are you using similar settings in your setup, or different ones? Thanks.
Unfortunately, I'm now having the exact same issue. The issue was definitely introduced with the last X800 software update. As soon as I did the update and rebooted, the HDMI wouldn't handshake when displaying the 4K 60FPS menu. I spent 6 hours on the phone with multiple Sony departments and tried pretty much every setting combination but couldn't resolve the issue. I don't know at this point if it is a bug with the X800 update or whether the X800 update exposed a bug in the projector or receiver. In either case, the only way I can get it to work is to either power cycle my receiver or turn the HDMI Input on and off. When I do that, it completes the handshake. The rough part is that I have to do that every time I go out of that resolution and come back.

At this point, I'm just waiting for the next X800 code drop to see if that fixes the problem.

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Whoa! This is hugely disappointing. My X800 is connected directly to the HDMI 2 input of the 1100ES projector. If it does not work, it makes my setup a huge waste of money.

What do you mean by:

1. “...displaying the 4K 60FPS menu”? How could the menu be sent at this high resolution and frame rate? Why is this necessary when the input for the 1100ES projector is limited to 10.2 Gbps?

2. “...turn the HDMI Input on and off”? On which device? How? Is your player’s menu displayed okay after you do this?

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Unfortunately, I'm now having the exact same issue. The issue was definitely introduced with the last X800 software update. As soon as I did the update and rebooted, the HDMI wouldn't handshake when displaying the 4K 60FPS menu. I spent 6 hours on the phone with multiple Sony departments and tried pretty much every setting combination but couldn't resolve the issue. I don't know at this point if it is a bug with the X800 update or whether the X800 update exposed a bug in the projector or receiver. In either case, the only way I can get it to work is to either power cycle my receiver or turn the HDMI Input on and off. When I do that, it completes the handshake. The rough part is that I have to do that every time I go out of that resolution and come back.

At this point, I'm just waiting for the next X800 code drop to see if that fixes the problem.
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Whoa! This is hugely disappointing. My X800 is connected directly to the HDMI 2 input of the 1100ES projector. If it does not work, it makes my setup a huge waste of money.

What do you mean by:

1. “...displaying the 4K 60FPS menu”? How could the menu be sent at this high resolution and frame rate? Why is this necessary when the input for the 1100ES projector is limited to 10.2 Gbps?

2. “...turn the HDMI Input on and off”? On which device? How? Is your player’s menu displayed okay after you do this?
In answer to #1 , the VPL-VW1100ES Projector will display 3840x2160/60p in YCbCr 4:2:0 but in 8 bit mode only... This is the only 4K 60FPS format supported and there is a footnote pointing this out on page 70 of the Operating Instructions manual. If you go to the projector menu and go down to the last menu option (the one that shows the number of hours on the bulb) it will show the current resolution and "Preset Memory Position" which you are currently in. If you don't have HDMI sync, it will show a Preset Memory Position of "0". In my case, the X800 menu shows as Preset Memory Position Number 74 which is the 4K 60FPS mode. My thinking is that something in the latest release of the x800 software is doing something "funky" with the handshake in this particular resolution. I also don't understand why the BluRay manufacturers feel that 60FPS mode is needed for the menus. I also own the Samsung UBD-K8500 4K BluRay and it displays its menu at 4K 60FPS as well.

In answer to #2 , I have my X800 connected to my Sony Receiver (listed in my signature) and there is a HDMI button on the remote. To get the menus to display, I either hit that button to cycle HDMI off and then back on again or I can power the receiver off then on again. In both cases, it will then complete the handshake with my Sony X800, Sony AV Receiver, and Sony projector. I can also accomplish the same thing by unplugging the HDMI cable from the back of the X800 and plugging it back in again. All of these are a royal pain in the "you know what" but once I do it everything works great until I do to a different resolution and then try to come back to the menu. I then have to go through the HDMI "reset process" all over again.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is a temporary issue which will go away with the next X800 update. If not, I will get on the phone for another marathon support session with Sony again.

Regards, Steve
Projector/Receiver - Sony VPL-VW1100ES 4K PJ & Sony STR-ZA5000ES 4K Dolby Atmos AVR
Media Devices - Sony FMP-X10 4K Media Server, Sony UBP-X800 4K Blu-Ray, and Roku 4K Broadband
Screen - 145" Dragonfly, 1.2 Gain, 16:9, Matte White Fixed Screen
Theater Remote/Cables - Universal MX-890 RF Remote, Monoprice Certified 18Gb HDMI Cables
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