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post #1411 of 10403 Old 02-25-2012, 09:05 PM
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I purchased mine within the last two weeks. Maybe yours need a firmware update. Worth a try anyway.

I had the latest firmware, but reapplied with no change.

But I have gotten it mostly corrected. It seems the default settings after the reset didn't work correctly, or the default is not compatible with my 1000/High Power combination. Using the Monster Software, I dialed the duty cycle to 100, and the delay to 20, and nearly all the problems vanished.

I am noticing though that the Monsters are more sensitive to head tilt in introducing ghosting in my setup - If it turn my head left or right, to tilt it up, ghosting appears more readily. This was something I noted with the 95 as well, but to a much lesser extent.

Fortunately, and ironically, the Sony glasses are more rock solid in this regard - I can tilt my head up, down, left, right, and very little if any ghosting is introduced. So this is weird to me, as its the same projector and same screen for both glasses...

The Monsters are still a tad brighter, and have a bit more color neutrality still though.

I'll have to play more tomorrow, but I tried a ton of different duty and delay cycle settings - many introduce posterization or lower brightness/banding - never saw that with the 95.

So there seems to be something weird with the 1000/High Power/Monster glasses.

I think Optoma may have a later firmware upgrade that what's on Monsters site, so I'll look for that.

Monster's site has changed, and the cool product page for the glasses seems to be gone, and its not even listed on their home page - just their online store i think...seems to be de-emphasized at the least...

Edit: no later optoma firmware that I can find...
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Well.....just set it up in a temporary location next to my Panasonic ae3000. I don't even think I can describe the results other than

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I had the latest firmware, but reapplied with no change.

But I have gotten it mostly corrected. It seems the default settings after the reset didn't work correctly, or the default is not compatible with my 1000/High Power combination. Using the Monster Software, I dialed the duty cycle to 100, and the delay to 20, and nearly all the problems vanished.

I am noticing though that the Monsters are more sensitive to head tilt in introducing ghosting in my setup - If it turn my head left or right, to tilt it up, ghosting appears more readily. This was something I noted with the 95 as well, but to a much lesser extent.

Fortunately, and ironically, the Sony glasses are more rock solid in this regard - I can tilt my head up, down, left, right, and very little if any ghosting is introduced. So this is weird to me, as its the same projector and same screen for both glasses...

The Monsters are still a tad brighter, and have a bit more color neutrality still though.

I'll have to play more tomorrow, but I tried a ton of different duty and delay cycle settings - many introduce posterization or lower brightness/banding - never saw that with the 95.

So there seems to be something weird with the 1000/High Power/Monster glasses.

I think Optoma may have a later firmware upgrade that what's on Monsters site, so I'll look for that.

Monster's site has changed, and the cool product page for the glasses seems to be gone, and its not even listed on their home page - just their online store i think...seems to be de-emphasized at the least...

Edit: no later optoma firmware that I can find...

Gee I'm surprised with those issues experienced with the Monsters. I've been rubbishing the X104s poor product support, however they worked better and look nicer than Sonys right from the start. I'm still boycotting the use of their tuning app thanks to the mandatory product reg nonsense and the fact I can't see it doing anything addition in my case. Hopefully you get to the bottom of the issue. Obv joerod isn't having any probs in his setup with the MV3Ds given his also v. pos reports.

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Gee I'm surprised with those issues experienced with the Monsters. I've been rubbishing the X104s poor product support, however they worked better and look nicer than Sonys right from the start. I'm still boycotting the use of their tuning app thanks to the mandatory product reg nonsense and the fact I can't see it doing anything addition in my case. Hopefully you get to the bottom of the issue. Obv joerod isn't having any probs in his setup with the MV3Ds given his also v. pos reports.

At the moment, I'm assuming it's some anomaly with the retro- reflective nature of the high power and the 1000, or a delay /duty cycle setting I've yet to stumble upon.
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At the moment, I'm assuming it's some anomaly with the retro- reflective nature of the high power and the 1000, or a delay /duty cycle setting I've yet to stumble upon.

I have the same issue with my Vutec Silver star. If I tilt my head the colors shift jumps in. Even with the Sony's though not as extreme. Now when I use the Electric Matte White 1.4 screen it is smooth sailing the entire time. This screen was only 250.00 and for 3D I just can't be more than happy with it. I love having it drop down to cover my main screen for 3D. Then hitting picture position on the 1000 makes it too easy!

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I have the same issue with my Vutec Silver star. If I tilt my head the colors shift jumps in. Even with the Sony's though not as extreme. Now when I use the Electric Matte White 1.4 screen it is smooth sailing the entire time. This screen was only 250.00 and for 3D I just can't be more than happy with it. I love having it drop down to cover my main screen for 3D. Then hitting picture position on the 1000 makes it too easy!

What perplexing to me is the Sony glasses really have no issues now (other than a tiny less neutral tint compared to the Monsters), and with the same screen and projector, the Monsters have become more finicky.

When I have the Monster's dialed in as best as possible (as of today, anyway), I don't get any color/brightness shifts, but I do see more ghosting when tilting my head...

It may be for my setup, the Sony glasses are best...
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I know, useless to do a full calibration so early into a new project (5 hours?!)

But I did one anyway with Chromapure and a Lumagen Mini 3d (though I did not bother to tweak gamma yet, either for flat 2.2, or using Ric's rising gamma technique)

I will post the results shortly...

Pretty impressive...
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The settings were:

Cinema 2
IRIS off
Low Lamp
Custom 3 - Gains and bias adjusted at 100 and 20% in the 1000
RC off
Color 50
Sharpness 10
Brightness 53
Contrast Max
(Brightness and Contrast set with the AVS disc)
Rec 709
Black Level Adj. Off
Smoothing Off

Off screen measurement (Da Lite High Power 2.8 gain)
DIII Pro Meter





















Advanced Color Management report in following post...
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While I'm finding the 1000 incredible, I do think I will need an exchange...



In actual content, is occasionally appears as a lightening in the banded area, not posterized like this iPhone capture shows

Bummer
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We really do need to start a new Calibration/setting thread. Seriously.

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Should I delete these posts if they are not appropriate here?
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They're appropriate. I'm interested on what people are setting for:

Advanced Iris
Reality Creation
Black Level Adjust
Clear White

Just wondering if there's a general consensus. Just watched a couple tv shows (justified, shameless), and was trying to mess with settings...kind of difficult because the source isn't the best....saw random spots of noise throughout, especially on dark scenes.. It seemed to me that advanced iris set to auto full was doing some strange things with shadows on faces comparing it to that setting off.

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My new Sony is reserved. This will replace my Qualia 004, which I bought when it was first released. It seems so long ago. After reading all of these posts I am still a little perplexed about which screen to choose. I have a reasonably light controlled room and a 19 ft throw distance. I am wanting a 10ft wide, 16:9 screen and am thinking of getting the ST 130. What do folks think of that choice for a screen?
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Apocalyptic looked amazing. The 1000ES made us feel like we were in the forest!

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My new Sony is reserved. This will replace my Qualia 004, which I bought when it was first released. It seems so long ago. After reading all of these posts I am still a little perplexed about which screen to choose. I have a reasonably light controlled room and a 19 ft throw distance. I am wanting a 10ft wide, 16:9 screen and am thinking of getting the ST 130. What do folks think of that choice for a screen?

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Reality creation is interesting, still experimenting with the options and how other setting may interact. I did notice that even setting both resolution and noise filtering to 0 is still not the same as off.

With my HP screen, I'm finding the sweet spot so far with:

Lamp low
Iris auto limited
Contrast max
Brightness 53
Rc 20/20
Color temp custom 3 (gains r5, g-2, b-1; bias r0, g-1, b-1)
Sharpness 5
Smooth gradation low
Black level adjust low
Gamma correction off
Color correction off
Clear white off
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Reality creation is interesting, still experimenting with the options and how other setting may interact. I did notice that even setting both resolution and noise filtering to 0 is still not the same as off.

With my HP screen, I'm finding the sweet spot so far with:

Lamp low
Iris auto limited
Contrast max
Brightness 53
Rc 20/20
Color temp custom 3 (gains r5, g-2, b-1; bias r0, g-1, b-1)
Sharpness 5
Smooth gradation low
Black level adjust low
Gamma correction off
Color correction off
Clear white off
Bt 709
Cms/gamma via lumagen

Thanks Thrang. Helpful.

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Remember Thrang has gamma correction off because he is doing gamma through the Lumagen

Regarding contrast and brightness, one needs a test pattern. This simply can not be set correctly off of someone else's settings.

Black level adjust is very subtle and there is no right here. High gives the darkest blacks by a smidge but shifts the total look. I think best is off or low but it really doesn't make all that difference. Smooth gradation doesn't really affect most pictures. It does have a nor effect on brightness but playing with it a lot I can't really tell much difference.

I have repeatedly posted without any takers how much the BC settings are inter related and yes off is different than on 0/0 and on does tend to make things a little sharper which one can see by going on off etc. BUT ONE REALY NEEDS TO ADJUST THIS USING A TEST PATTERN.By eye on a picture it really is impossible to arrive at a specific setting. At best one can find a range of settings at best. If you use an on off pixel test pattern one can see the effect of these settings and many are not pretty. It resolution setting should be set so that certain lines aren't empasized and noise filtering must be sot so as to not introduce blotches and together the controls must be set to not produce banding orn a very noticeable pinkish cast. The Sony default of 20/00 gets me very close to the best pattern but clicking up the noise filtering a couoleof clicks appears slightly better. Just one click on either control can screw things up on the pattern. Don't cheat or be lazy trying to set this thing by eye watching picture content.
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Mike, thanks for the helpful tip. After reading this blog that is how I was leaning anyway. But reaffirmation is always nice!
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Watched "Drive" last night - terrific looking movie! Despite good reviews my wife and I found it dreadfully slow with very little plot, certainly nothing original other than the director's pacing, but the movie looked soooo good. I read somewhere that the Alexa 4k cameras were used, and boy does it have great shadow detail and contrast. A great way to show off RC, too. I had RC on but at 0/0 and it improved everything without exaggerating anything too much. On the contrary, I watched the Revenge of the Sith Bluray the other night and never could decide whether to leave it on or off. Lots of scenes looked better, but faces took on a plastic look with up close shots that annoyed me.
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I was at Mark's yesterday how well his new Snowmatte screen worked with the Sony. We watched standard Blu-ray (Contagion).

When I first saw the Sony on his StudoTek I was mightily impressed. However, the Snowmatte takes it to another level. I was gobsmacked by the amount of detail and apparent resolution we saw. We went back and forth between the Sony and Mark's Samsung DLP. There was a marked improvement with the Sony. I never thought that I would think that 1080p looked soft, but that's what the Samsung looked like in comparison.

I was very surprised by this. There was the same amount of actual resolution going to the Sony, but its scaling was able to create an illusion of more detail. It was not subtle and similar to going from DVD to Blu-ray.

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