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You talking about 2d-3d conversion mode? If so, I've never used that mode but could test it if you want.

Yeah I wouldnt really use it either for anything else, but putting up a test pattern and putting the unit in 2d-3d mode was the only way I could think of to get the Sony into 3d mode with something I could measure.
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Yeah I wouldnt really use it either for anything else, but putting up a test pattern and putting the unit in 2d-3d mode was the only way I could think of to get the Sony into 3d mode with something I could measure.

I know you mentioned it was 2D->3D that you tested. The HT author stated that his results were the same with the conversion mode and also with a true 3D frame packed signal. Obviously this needs to be validated further.

One of our members made an excellent '3d Demo disk' with the L/R patterns that have been used in many of the 3D reviews and also a 100% IRE field that can be used to measure in 3D mode. I'll ask his permission to see if we can distribute the ISO and possibly burn to BD for those that need a disc. I have tons of blank 25 GB BDR's.

Ron - the HW30 stays at about the same lumen output in 3D mode as it is in 2D mode, ~900 lumens. Why is the VW1000 dropping to nearly 1/2 the 2D output?
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Ok that makes sense... but wouldnt the Sony 95 do the same thing?... so its 3d lumens should be way less than the 1000? Didnt that review say they were pretty close to the same?

While the VW95 does have reduced duty cycle when in 3D mode, the HW30 and the VW95 introduced, for 3D mode, a new feature to pulse the bulb for additional light output (Sony calls this Dynamic Lamp Control) when actual frames are being displayed. This was done as a means of compensating for the light loss when in 3D mode. For the VW95 Sony describes the Dynamic Lamp Control Technology as:
"When each of the shutters on your 3D glasses opens, Dynamic Lamp Control Technology automatically boosts the brightness in the image to that eye, maximising the picture’s impact and the lamp’s efficiency. This means that you will not lose any brightness and attain the optimal visual experience from the comfort of your own home." I don't recall hearing or reading that the VW1000 has Dynamic Lamp Control.

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Are you 1000 owner plugging your machines directly into an outlet? Not sure if there are products out there for protection/filtering of projectors...

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Thanks, Zombie. If you can upload that ISO somewhere I can certainly use it with my OPPO. How big is it?
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Are you 1000 owner plugging your machines directly into an outlet? Not sure if there are products out there for protection/filtering of projectors...

Any projector needs to be on a UPS, and this one probably deserves a high-end one that will give a true sin wave. Without a UPS when the power goes out what is going to cool the bulb. There are lots of threads on extending a UPS from a remote location.

I love my power setup with dedicated circuits, SurgeX, APC (extended to the theater rack and UPS), etc. Now if I could just track down this stinkin' ground loop

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I can close my eyes and imagine a "sin wave". I remember giving a few sin waves coupled with a fecal eating grin many years ago.


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Curious if some of you Oppo owners can share your HDMI output Color Space settings? (other than auto)

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Curious if some of you Oppo owners can share your HDMI output Color Space settings? (other than auto)

i believe I settled on 4:4:4 after testing with Spears & Munsil. As I recall the difference was subtle, except for RGB which was considerably worse. This was a while back so I will need to check to make sure.
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i believe I settled on 4:4:4 after testing with Spears & Munsil. As I recall the difference was subtle, except for RGB which was considerably worse. This was a while back so I will need to check to make sure.

Thanks. How about your HDMI output setting? I'm also guessing you are doing source direct?

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I send the sources through a RadianceMIni, and the Radiance recommends sending 4:2:2, otherwise there are multiple unnecessary conversions back and forth.
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Are you 1000 owner plugging your machines directly into an outlet? Not sure if there are products out there for protection/filtering of projectors...

Here's what I have. It's compact, and has surge/spike protection as well as RF & EM filtration.

APC AV C type 2 mfg. link

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i believe I settled on 4:4:4 after testing with Spears & Munsil. As I recall the difference was subtle, except for RGB which was considerably worse. This was a while back so I will need to check to make sure.

Perfect. Also 36 bit up converted Deep Color.

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Here's what I have. It's compact, and has surge/spike protection as well as RF & EM filtration.

APC AV C type 2 mfg. link

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I've always just used this:
http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=914

I have a small box in my ceiling with it inside along with a Monster Power Cord which I have used with all my projectors. Not to mention the 3D Transmitter power cable (3D glasses) also plugs in up there. Also a Monster product.

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Are you 1000 owner plugging your machines directly into an outlet? Not sure if there are products out there for protection/filtering of projectors...

Take a look on the 20k plus forum and search the topic for good suggestions. I have a UPS and most importantly a series mode surge protector. Google brick wall or surgeX. The first keeps the fan running long enough to cool bulb and the second is a non-sacrificial surge protector that does not use MOV's. Even with these a close lightning strike can kill any electronic product at the board level without having the surge pass through the power cord.
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Take a look on the 20k plus forum and search the topic for good suggestions. I have a UPS and most importantly a series mode surge protector. Google brick wall or surgeX. The first keeps the fan running long enough to cool bulb and the second is a non-sacrificial surge protector that does not use MOV's. Even with these a close lightning strike can kill any electronic product at the board level without having the surge pass through the power cord.

I also have a SurgeX then a Pure Power 1050 ups prior to my projector. Works great.
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I'm using the PSAudio PPP (Power Plant Premier). Probably overkill.

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So true, Mark: with 323 hrs now on the lamp (I'm truly addicted!) I just measured ~ 35 ftL with a 136x72 pic (17x9 pic) on a HP2.4 screen. This is with high lamp; low lamp reduces it to ~ 25 ftL. Brightness is indeed a seducer!


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Could you please measure the ftL in 3D trought the glasses, it seems to be a big drop, probely because off a relative short duty open cycle in the glasses to minimize/ remove all ghosting ,but few has measured it

TIA

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Millerwill

Could you please measure the ftL in 3D trought the glasses, it seems to be a big drop, probely because off a relative short duty open cycle in the glasses to minimize/ remove all ghosting ,but few has measured it

TIA

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I've not done any 3d.
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Thanks, Zombie. If you can upload that ISO somewhere I can certainly use it with my OPPO. How big is it?

It's small, only 250 MB's or so. I'll send you a link in a PM to download it from my website. Fast forward to 2:13 and pause. This is a 100% IRE white screen in 3D mode.

It also has the L/R patterns which is about as brutal a test as it gets for detecting the ghosting capabilities of a 3D projector. I'm curious to hear what you think of the L/R test (you shouldn't see any ghosting remains of the L or R image in each respective eye) and also the 'white on black' & 'black on white' tests that are including in this 3D demo. (courtesy of Joseph Clark)

edit: if any other VW1000 owners want to try out this 3D demo, please let me know and I'll send you a link. You'll need the ability to play back an ISO which the Oppo can handle. I can also burn a few BDR's for those that are interested.
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I also have a SurgeX then a Pure Power 1050 ups prior to my projector. Works great.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. So for a ceiling mount, where do you put these units?

As you can see I didn't plan this part out!

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Thanks for the suggestions guys. So for a ceiling mount, where do you put these units?

As you can see I didn't plan this part out!

My surge suppression and UPS lie in my rack. I'm using a power inlet to supply power to the outlet at the projector. If you search for "power inlet" you should find lots of good info. The capsule summary is at it's a fully UL- and code-approved way to extend from your UPS to a hardwired outlet in a remote location.

If you have an outlet at the projector that is on its own circuit, a qualified electrician can probably convert it to one that is connected to an inlet elsewhere where a UPS can be conveniently located.

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Couple of interesting observations. First, the number of "boxes within a box" decreased with each shipment... kinda funny... the first replacement was double boxed, with a huge third box around the second one that had tons of peanuts in it... they surprised me when I took the top box off and they went everywhere. The second replacement came simply double boxed, with the outer box being the one with all the Sony graphics, and the inner being just a brown box. The third replacement was just a single Sony box, and a good bit smaller than the previous box that had the graphics. Just thought all that was interesting.
What was MORE interesting was that this last replacement had a new number on the model name. Instead of vpl- vw1000ES, it says vpl- vw1000ES1. None of the others said "1" on the end. Possibly some sort of revision? The model name on the actual projector does not have the "1" though, just all of the official tags on the box above where the serial number is listed.
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Wrong thread...

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Couple of interesting observations. First, the number of "boxes within a box" decreased with each shipment... kinda funny... the first replacement was double boxed, with a huge third box around the second one that had tons of peanuts in it... they surprised me when I took the top box off and they went everywhere. The second replacement came simply double boxed, with the outer box being the one with all the Sony graphics, and the inner being just a brown box. The third replacement was just a single Sony box, and a good bit smaller than the previous box that had the graphics. Just thought all that was interesting.
What was MORE interesting was that this last replacement had a new number on the model name. Instead of vpl- vw1000ES, it says vpl- vw1000ES1. None of the others said "1" on the end. Possibly some sort of revision? The model name on the actual projector does not have the "1" though, just all of the official tags on the box above where the serial number is listed.

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Lol... or maybe a paper bag with Mark's towel on top.
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Lol... or maybe a paper bag with Mark's towel on top.

Come on, you don't still remember that old wife's tale, do you?

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Quick question to the owner of the VW-1000 how accurate is the zoom memory on your unit, mine is really accurate for the left/right side but for the top/bottom it's 1-2inch off.

For example, after setting 16:9 and 2.35 memory exactly right and switching between the 2 the top will be off, sometime it's very close, sometime it's off by 5cm, should this be considered normal or is this a problem with the optic?
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