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"After watching a demo of RED's laser projector I've been struggling to find a way to describe it. Comparing it to traditional professional systems is completely inadequate. I have never witnessed 3D that was as bright or brighter as the best 2D projections until now. It generated the best color, best dynamic range and best images I have ever seen in 3D or even 2D. When I learned we were watching at 1/4 of its total resolution I was speechless.

It was so clean and so vibrant the only thing I can compare it to is Cibachrome. That's it, a giant moving Cibachrome!""

Stephen Pizzo- Co-Founder of Element Technica and now partner of 3ality Technica.
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Finally, the era of HT laser projection begins, maybe.
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Damn, I am putting my projector purchase on hold just because of this! thank you RED. they are our only hope to an affordable 4k laser based projector!
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If this is anything like most of RED's other products, don't expect this to come out any time soon, or be specified anything like what they are describing currently.

Their "3K for $3K" Scarlet camera is still coming soon about three years after it was due to be out, is now going to cost significantly more and is basically a completely different product from what they originally announced, and this is long after they have demonstrated working "final models" of it.
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What's the cost of this?
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What technology use? DLP?
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Could possibly be using there own technology, just like they did for there Camera's.
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Do they need a panel at all? Can the image not be directly projected from the lasers through the lens with fast enough scanning?
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Damn, I am putting my projector purchase on hold just because of this! thank you RED. they are our only hope to an affordable 4k laser based projector!

You will be sitting with your current projector for several more years then.
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Sounds like a start up company, vague specs and even more vagueness followed by more vagueness...looks like the user community took a few words on something and ran with it. don't get me wrong I hope its true because then I've already picked out my next projector while waiting for my current one to be delivered/released (Panny 7000).

If it is what it claims to be, wouldn't the experts here and all the billion dollar companies and CEDIA be SCREAMING!!!. This product would be revolutionary and would INSTANTLY make all projectors obsolete. Basically like a jump from tube TV's to LED's.

Hope its a reality
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You will be sitting with your current projector for several more years then.

Exactly my thoughts mjg100!
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Sounds like a start up company, vague specs and even more vagueness followed by more vagueness...looks like the user community took a few words on something and ran with it. don't get me wrong I hope its true because then I've already picked out my next projector while waiting for my current one to be delivered/released (Panny 7000).

If it is what it claims to be, wouldn't the experts here and all the billion dollar companies and CEDIA be SCREAMING!!!. This product would be revolutionary and would INSTANTLY make all projectors obsolete. Basically like a jump from tube TV's to LED's.

Hope its a reality

Have you not seen Red's other products? You have probably seen film shot with Red cameras.
I heard they were attempting to bring this projector out for under $6000.
Considering their cameras are $25,000 - 60,000, I find the $6000 hard to believe. They must have missed a 0.
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Have you not seen Red's other products? You have probably seen film shot with Red cameras.
I heard they were attempting to bring this projector out for under $6000.
Considering their cameras are $25,000 - 60,000, I find the $6000 hard to believe. They must have missed a 0.

Name one? I have no clue, and have never heard of them until the posts here.
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Red have been working on this PJ for quite some time already. It might be ready next year.
Several companies are working on laser based projectors.
Someone tweeted recently that they had been to a laser projector demo at RED Studios by Barco.

My pure speculation is this;

Either RED putting their considerable Imagery knowledge and "visionary" to good use together with somebody that have projector manufacture knowledge. or they more "daringly" tries to do this by themselves.

Most probably leasing the Kodak optical design for DLP Laser projectors, unless someone else has solved the Laser driven projector "issues" as good as Kodak.

Maybe a collaboration similar to the deal James Cameron's Lightstorm company recently did with Christy to help develop good high framerate 3D projectors.


IN 2009 and 2010 there was some great breakthroughs in production of true Green 523nm laser semiconductor (diode), which will help on the ease and quality of producing Laser RGB.
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Name one? I have no clue, and have never heard of them until the posts here.

RED Digital Camera Company, Designer and manufacturer of the highest quality (and resolution), most innovative, digital film cameras in the world.

Founded, directed and financed by Jim Jannard, the man who built the Oakly "sunglasses" brand.

http://www.red.com/
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Name one? I have no clue, and have never heard of them until the posts here.

Scroll though these.
http://www.red.com/experience
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By the way, this; Barco and D3D Cinema to Present Giant Screen 4K 3D Laser Projection Demo at 2nd Annual Moody Digital Cinema Symposium

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The event will score a series of noteworthy milestones in the digital cinema revolution, including:

-- The FIRST demonstration of Barco's revolutionary laser light engine on a giant screen

-- The FIRST demonstration of true DLP 4K resolution 3D on a giant screen

-- The FIRST 4K 3D comparison of 'ultra-reality' 48 frame/sec & 60 frame/sec content

-- The FIRST giant 3D 500 mbps comparison, nearly double the current cinema bit rate standard

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This looks really interesting. Reading through that thread, it sounded like this would be ready in the next year and it was not using LCD, LCOS or DLP imaging chips. If it is under 10k, that would be incredible.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

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This will not be under 10k. Their basic Red One camera starts at 25k. I'm thinking between 60k-100k.
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good news....

hope my 4k dlp can be get a laser upgrade "WHEN"
the time comes they sale this.
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I am not a big fan of the Red One camera because it always makes images look thin, dingy (or waxy), and the colors are under-saturated, inaccurate, and never "pop" out of the screen like film or the better digital cameras. It is like printing an image on old, cheap, recycled paper.

The Social Network, Super, The Lincoln Lawyer, and Skyline were all shot on the Red camera, and I think they are the best examples of that technology. If the script and acting are good you can ignore the dirty, messy look of the Red.

That said, if they can ever come out with an affordable laser projector, then more power to them. It may be a long wait, however.
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This will not be under 10k. Their basic Red One camera starts at 25k. I'm thinking between 60k-100k.

The market for pj's is much larger than for cameras, so that should help.

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Comparing the prices of cameras and projectors is kinda moot. Totally different hardware. Personally, I'm wondering whether RED is using a traditional projector design with a DLP or LCoS chip, where the laser is just used as a bulb replacement. Or whether maybe RED is changing the game by using a scanning laser solution, which should totally eliminate the need for DLP/LCoS chips.

I've no idea what the projector will cost. If it's using 4K DLP/LCoS panels, it's going to be quite expensive, I guess, probably 20k or more, because those panels alone will cost a fortune at this point in time. If it's a scanning laser solution, that would probably increase development costs, but might eventually lower actual hardware production cost (or maybe not, I don't really know). So I've no idea what prices to expect for a scanning laser solution. I don't even know whether expecting a scanning laser solution is realistic at all.
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Summary of the comments by Jim Jannard in the reduser thread:
- Home version and a Theater version
- Not using DLP (somewhat cryptic response to speculator)
- It will be Passive 3D ... Active 3D just landed in the La Brea tar pits.
- Available sooner rather than later

Red's path to world domination:
shoot 5K, post to 4K, deliver with REDray and display with the new RED projector, 2D and 3D
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- Not using DLP (somewhat cryptic response to speculator)

I don't think that's the correct interpretation of Jim's post. IIRC, some user suggested RED would be using 2K DLP chips now and were waiting for 4K chips or something like that, and Jim denied that. I don't think his post means that they're definitely not using DLP at all. Maybe they're not, but Jim didn't clearly say that.
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I don't think that's the correct interpretation of Jim's post. IIRC, some user suggested RED would be using 2K DLP chips now and were waiting for 4K chips or something like that, and Jim denied that. I don't think his post means that they're definitely not using DLP at all. Maybe they're not, but Jim didn't clearly say that.

Good point. I guess I initially read it differently, but your interpretation is more accurate.
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It would be great if we could find out about the technology being used. I doubt polygonal scanner based projection engine since such technology is struggling with 1080p!

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I bet it has 9 Tri - Core flux capacitors in it!!!
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