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I have yet to read ANY reliable source indicate that the EH-R4000 was delivered anywhere. Rumors of "future availability" and "available to order" have been going on for over a year. I'm MUCH more inclined to believe the French HT forum's report that the EH-R4000 and relatives have been canceled.
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The eh-r4000 is in Stock at Amazon Japan so I don't think it has been canceled. http://translate.google.com/translat...=en&prmd=imvns

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The eh-r4000 is in Stock at Amazon Japan so I don't think it has been canceled. http://translate.google.com/translat...=en&prmd=imvns

And the price has dropped since last week.

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And the price has dropped since last week.

The price is still over $7,000 for a projector that people hope will compare favorably to the rs-45. Weird.

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The price is still over $7,000 for a projector that people hope will compare favorably to the rs-45. Weird.

Well it was listed at 620,000 yen last week and now only 591,000. So 30k yen price drop in one week...

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Well it was listed at 620,000 yen last week and now only 591,000. So 30k yen price drop in one week...

So at that rate in a couple more months of weekly of price reductions it should start to become competitive, pricewise, with the RS45/X30 whose Amazon Japan price is currently 346,798 yen.

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The price is still over $7,000 for a projector that people hope will compare favorably to the rs-45. Weird.

I myself wouldn´t compare it to the rs45, more likely the higher jvc models. I am 99% sure it will overrun the 2d pic of the rs45
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I myself wouldn´t compare it to the rs45, more likely the higher jvc models. I am 99% sure it will overrun the 2d pic of the rs45

A bold claim. Let's wait until it is actually available to buy, and then we'll see.

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I am trying to stay out of this, since I have been so disappointed in Epson. Having seen it at Cedia the last two years, these pjs are impressive. Thinking about it further though what conclusion can one make? These weren't even close to production pjs, so these could have been ultra tweaked. Lets see what they look like if they ever hit the street.

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I am trying to stay out of this, since I have been so disappointed in Epson. Having seen it at Cedia the last two years, these pjs are impressive. Thinking about it further though what conclusion can one make? These weren't even close to production pjs, so these could have been ultra tweaked. Lets see what they look like if they ever hit the street.

Hi Eric,

Agreed ... but if the production units do indeed match what we saw at CEDIA, then IMHO the Epson 2D performance is up there with the best of the JVCs.

I just hope that Epson get their LCOS act together and give us a 2500 lumen model at $10k !!

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Hi Eric,

Agreed ... but if the production units do indeed match what we saw at CEDIA, then IMHO the Epson 2D performance is up there with the best of the JVCs.

I just hope that Epson get their LCOS act together and give us a 2500 lumen model at $10k !!

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Isn´t the produktion units always improved over the pre?
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Remember the pioneer elites at ces... They were far superior to the production units and the content and delivery to the sets were all on steroids.
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The eh-r4000 is definitely available now. I emailed a well known greymarket importer price japan (figure out the web site). It is available and now on their site. I can have it shipped to me for a smidge over $8k including pay pal fees.

This seems outrageous for a projector that was said to be under $5k.

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The eh-r4000 is definitely available now. I emailed a well known greymarket importer price japan (figure out the web site). It is available and now on their site. I can have it shipped to me for a smidge over $8k including pay pal fees.

This seems outrageous for a projector that was said to be under $5k.

great googleee woooglee.. that is insane.
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Hi Eric,

Agreed ... but if the production units do indeed match what we saw at CEDIA, then IMHO the Epson 2D performance is up there with the best of the JVCs.

I just hope that Epson get their LCOS act together and give us a 2500 lumen model at $10k !!

Cheers,

I think Darin mentioned that he thought the ANSI was better on the Epson. As good as the black level was(is), the iris wasn't on, because Greg doesn't believe in it. I think it could be that much better with the iris engaged.

I know you have a big screen, so if a 2500 lumen pj came out then you would be ecstatic.
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Isn´t the produktion units always improved over the pre?

For most manufacturers on a yearly cycle then I would say yes. In this case, who knows?

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The eh-r4000 is definitely available now. I emailed a well known greymarket importer price japan (figure out the web site). It is available and now on their site. I can have it shipped to me for a smidge over $8k including pay pal fees.

This seems outrageous for a projector that was said to be under $5k.

Curious to see how these sell at this price and when user reviews will come out?

Maybe this is worth double RS45 and similar to the 55?
Maybe there are only so many available so is just priced high due to that?

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Curious to see how these sell at this price and when user reviews will come out?

Maybe this is worth double RS45 and similar to the 55?
Maybe there are only so many available so is just priced high due to that?

I am also wondering if they will be seen outside of Japan.

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Maybe this is worth double RS45 and similar to the 55?

But the 55 has twice the native contrast ratio. And pseudo-4K. And multi-zone convergence adjustment.

Not to mention 3D. In this day and age, a $5K+ home cinema projector without 3D is dead in the water.

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Maybe there are only so many available so is just priced high due to that?

My guess is that they just have to overcharge because they've spent so much money trying to debug the ill-fated reflective LCD technology over the last two years that this is the only way to recoup some of the costs. And yield problems may have caused production to be very low anyway.

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The official position is that they are not sure if/when it will be released. Anything you are reading is simply rumor. They are committed to the technology, but there is some work on it they need to do to get it to their level of expectations.

There you have it from the horses mouth. Anything else you are reading (canceled, shipping soon, etc....) is pure rumor.

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...They are committed to the technology...

There you have it from the horses mouth. Anything else you are reading (canceled, shipping soon, etc....) is pure rumor.

That is very good news, especially compared to the French report they were throwing in the towel on this tech.

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The thing is that Epson IS selling them in Japan and for a premium too! If work needs to be done on the tech before it can be sold here, what must Epson think of its Japanese customers? This is really weird.

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Not surprised by that. Years ago my father traveled extensively to Japan...2x a month. He would always be able to buy stuff there before it was ever here (and for cheaper frequently).

It tends to be a different market than the US...we are, how shall I put this...more critical. Manufacturers want to make sure stuff is "perfected" (as much as possible) before they release them here.

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Epson now preparing 2560 x 1080 imaging chips?

Epson's delay might indicate preparation for native Cinemascope aspect ratio projectors. Digital Projections has new Scope projector using DLP chip. Epson can't be far behind on native Scope projectors.
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Epson now preparing 2560 x 1080 imaging chips?

Epson's delay might indicate preparation for native Cinemascope aspect ratio projectors. Digital Projections has new Scope projector using DLP chip. Epson can't be far behind on native Scope projectors.


JVC or Sony are likelier to come out with that first. They already have developed 4K solutions while Epson is still struggling with 1080p LCOS production.

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http://www.avmagazine.it/news/videop...4000_6816.html

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"Epson, after a thorough analysis has seen fit to cancel the production of video projectors EH-R2000 and R4000. The process of assembling these models can not fully meet the standards of quality 3LCD Reflective technology is able to offer. Epson will continue to develop new products based on 3LCD Reflective technology with the aim of making them available on the market when they reach the high levels of quality that our customers recognize in and expect from Epson. "

Source: Epson Italy

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What really happened here will never be known. The reason given is assembly issues. I doubt it because Epson is not a novice at manufacturing.

My guess is that it took Epson such a long time to work out the kinks that it no longer has a product that is competitive in 2012. Maybe yields on LCOS chips are really low. They only have enough to sell in Japan.

Hopefully the issues are worked out now and Epson will come back strong in 2012.

I don't remember a debacle like this before.

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I'm sure the issue is the chips themselves; even Intel gave up on LCOS.

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I'm sure the issue is the chips themselves; even Intel gave up on LCOS.

If I remember rightly, Intel's decision to give up on LCOS was some part a technical issue and some part a changing market issue. Flat panel prices were dropping. I hardly remember any of this. Good recall!

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Even IF they could get production yields up, these models were questionable from a marketing point of view. No 3d and all the baggage from two years+ of failing to come to market. If, like Jason says, they have not given up on reflective lcd then I could seen them coming out with a NEW model, using this tech, that does 3d, and can be positioned above the 5010/6010 models.

Being a JVC guy, I liked the promise of this and the shorter footprint would fit my hush box better than my JVC. Oh well, back to the waiting game.

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Is Epson Italy as mentioned in AV magazine the "official" word? Or do we still really not know for sure one way or another what Epson is doing?


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