Just wanted to update everyone. I connected the Panny back up to give it one last try. I reset everything and started from scratch. I had it set up in no time (the lens shift gave me no trouble for some reason). The ONLY mistake I made was not setting the projector up for RGB. It was set to auto and that small change made a HUGE difference in overall picture quality. In fact, that simple adjustment alone made it a MUCH closer match against my X10. Colors are deeper, richer, and have more pop. Black level, sharpness, depth, shadow detail, and overall picture detail dramatically improved. Now this is what I was expecting the first time! Checked out all the previous titles mentioned in my earlier review and man what a difference! With all things considered, I would be happy extremely happy with the Panny as an upgrade over my X10 now. Disclaimer to current DLP owners!
Even with these improvements, the X10 is still MUCH sharper and has more detail and pop. Other then that, the Panny wipes the floor in every other aspect! So if you're coming from an N82, Benq 6000, Mits 4000, or SP8602, you may not see the dramatic improvements I'm seeing.
The same improvements I saw in 2D faithfully translated over to 3D. Its beautiful in 3D and just annihilates the Acer in this regard! Its just TOO dark dammit! After playing with the modes some more I actually like cinema 1 the best but again its just too dark even on my HP screen. With the Acer, I'm using the nvidia 3d glasses and its MUCH brighter then the Panny in all modes except for dynamic. Also the colors are MUCH more natural on the Acer then the Panny. Because of it being so much brighter and having much better colors I just could never be satisfied with the 3D on the Panny.
I'm now seeing crosstalk that I didn't see before. I see it in all the titles that I mentioned before, and I'm using cinama 1, light, FI set to 1, lamp on normal. Please don't flame me, I'm not sure why it wasn't there the first time but is now. It's not distracting (most of the time) but it doesn't affect the overall picture quality. I see it most in the background images when the lens is focused on something close. I'm see it on images that come out of the screen also. Its very minimal but when I do see, sorry to say, it is distracting. I connected the panny and acer back and forth to make comparisons and I can HONESTLY say that I prefer the Acer due to the fact that there is simply NO GHOSTING PERIOD and its SO MUCH BRIGHTER! Also, I forgot to mention this before but I feel a little discomfort when watching anything on the Panny that I just don't feel on the Acer. Even tho I have a 159" screen, setting the Panny to 60" feels best to my eyes. But even then there is minimum discomfort. Again I feel no discomfort with the Acer.
All said and done I'm afraid the Panny is still going back. As much as I like the 2D it produces I just can't live with a dark 3d image with minor ghosting. Again please be nice as I'm just giving my honest opinion after this second and final observation in comparing of the Panny, X10 and Acer.
Originally Posted by inefekt
Thanks for the informative review, nice work. You are obviously someone who does not see rainbows when viewing DLP projectors. Unfortunately for others, they're just too distracting.
The X10 was reviewed back in 2008 as having close to the best sharpness levels and colour accuracy at the time so obviously it still stacks up very well!
I don't see any rainbows on my X10 but do notice them time to time on the Acer in 2D only.
Originally Posted by wgf_bean
That's what I thought.
I would suggest you go back to the position menu and reset them all to 0. When you touch these settings the projector doesn't use the optics to change the position. Instead it changes what to display on each pixel so you are no longer projecting the picture 1:1 on the LCD matrix. This results in a less than optimal picture. The display will not be as sharp. This is not unique to LCD.
Use the lens shift, focus and zoom to adjust picture position. If the picture is not projecting level then physically move the projector until it is level. If you need keystone correction don't use the projectors keystone menu to fix it. This generally means your projector isn't level and projecting perpendicular to the screen. For example if your projector is mounted way to the left or right side, don't aim the projector at the center of the screen. Doing so will result in keystone issues. Instead use the lens shift to correct. If the lens shift isn't enough then you need to move the center line of the projector closer to the center line of the screen. The imaginary plane at the face of the lens should be parallel to your screen.
Another issue you may be seeing is convergence. All projectors with 3 panels tend to have some convergence issues. Getting the pixels from 3 different panels to line up exactly with each other is nearly impossible. If you have a single panel system like a DLP with a color wheel or a DLP with LED lamp, then the convergence is always perfect since all 3 colors hit the screen from the same panel. Convergence issues are particularly noticeable when you connect the projector to a PC and observe text with small fonts.
So reset the position settings to 0, adjust using the lens shift, focus, zoom, and physical position of the projector if necessary then let us know if it improved sharpness any.
Please see my post above.
Originally Posted by Joesyah
Thanks for the honest review! Now you have me worried even more about my decision to try a LCOS over my Infocus SP8602. I also use an HTPC and like it SHARP
and well defined.You've confirmed what has been lounged in the back of my mind since demoing the newer LCOS projectors. I may have made a Boo Boo! lol
I've considered suggesting/installing the AE7000 in a friend's new entertainment room. Being they're not familiar with the other techs, they'll probably love it!
I would think your SP8602 is a much better projector then my X10 so you make not see the improvements I'm seeing now after adjusting the Panny to RGB.
Originally Posted by Elkhunter
Thanks for your review of the Panny with a 159" HP screen. I also have a 159" 2.8 HP in a true batcave - currently paired with an Epson 8500UB.
After reading your review, I've decided that the Panny isn't for me. I was hoping that the Mits HC7800 would have lens shift for my HP. Sadly, thats not the case. Note that my first projector was a Panny PT-700.
It looks like the BenQ W7000 would be the best bet for me - for a super sharp, bright (lens shift for the HP), no ghosting 3D projector.
As a 'plasmaowner' with a 159" HP, and having seen the Panny, the Acer, and the X10 DLP in 3D on this screen, I'd like your opinion on the following:
Two weeks ago, I purchased a Panny TC-P42ST30 3D plasma for my granddaughter's birthday. Before giving it to her, I set it up to check-out the set's IQ. This was my first up close look at a plasma.
The IQ stunned me. I'm thinking about purchasing a Panny TC-P65VT30 instead of a 3D projector. For I can't afford a $30+K 3D DLP projector. My cash toy limit is $7K. Sadly, I'm a 99%er.
In your opinion, how would the 65"VT30 with a 6'-9' view, compare to a $3K-$7K DLP 3D projector with a 159" HP at 11' 4" for 3D???
While I love the huge image of my 159" HP, I'm thinking that I'd love the IQ of a 65" 3D plasma (at 6'-9') even more.
I'm very exciting about the mits7800 and benq8000. My good friend as a 65"VT30 and while the PQ is indeed phenomenal, there just is no comparing 3D on a 159" HP screen to a 65"!