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The title says it all, kinda. I'm curious about an upgrade sometime in the near to mid future and am wondering what the new hotness is.

I'm used to the optics on the Sharp, so I'm wondering what might wow me now but not break the bank. I'm on the 3k plus threads only because I'd consider something north of 3 grand, but I'm looking for value in that expenditure if I go there, you know?

I'd like to move to 1080, of course, and I'm at least mildly interested in 3D. I've always wanted to end up with a CIH setup, but realize that is another ball of wax entirely.

I have light control in a dedicated room. Usage is pretty equal between gaming a bluray. Im throwing about a 106" image. The room can handle short or long throw.


So what does one have to spend nowadays to be impressed over a unit like the Sharp? And what does that money buy you? Are the JVS RSxx units where I should be looking?

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I would look at the Sony HW30, the Mitsubishi 7800, or the JVC 45.

I would call AVS and get street pricing on these, it can't be discussed on here but I think you would be pleasantly surprised.
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I saw a Sharp 20000 with a Panamorph showing Pirates on BD and WOW...I think you're going to have to spend quite a lot to think there's any upgrade at all. My advice is to look at runco, sim2, etc. High end DLP 3D pjs start in the mid-teens...you might need to pull down your Sharp, sell it and forget what it looked like.
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I saw a Sharp 20000 with a Panamorph showing Pirates on BD and WOW...I think you're going to have to spend quite a lot to think there's any upgrade at all. My advice is to look at runco, sim2, etc. High end DLP 3D pjs start in the mid-teens...you might need to pull down your Sharp, sell it and forget what it looked like.

I haven't seen a Sharp 12000 but I am surprised to read an older 720p single chip DLP keeps up with the big dogs of projection so well
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I am still using my Sharp 12000MKII and the picture is fine. I would like to upgrade also someday and the JVC 45 or 55 would be one awesome leap from the Sharp. Mitch
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I haven't seen a Sharp 12000 but I am surprised to read an older 720p single chip DLP keeps up with the big dogs of projection so well

Yes the Sharp is a good projector. That Konica-Minolta lens is a really fine piece of optics. The lens costs what the JVC RS45 MSRP price is. I have the Sharps counter part, The Marantz VP-12S4. They both share the same lens.

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I am still using my Sharp 12000MKII and the picture is fine. I would like to upgrade also someday and the JVC 45 or 55 would be one awesome leap from the Sharp. Mitch

I will have to agree, though if he likes the DLP look, he might want to look at a SIM2 Crystal 35 or 45.

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You know, if I could find a used Sharp xvz-20000 I'd go with that. I missed an opportunity a while back. I'm kind of kicking myself now. I supposed I can always just pick up yet another lamp for the 12k when the time comes.

I kind of feel I painted myself into a corner with this unit, heh. I bought it on firesale after all, so I basically stole this lens. And yeah, it's pretty hard to give up good optics once you've had it. I mean, it's a projector...I'd argue it main job is to uh, focus light on a surface. You kind of need a lens for that, and the better, the better.

There's no way I'd drop anything in the "teens" for an upgrade, though. I'd like to be able to have hobbies, like eating food, when I someday retire. I suppose I'll check into the JVC 45 or 55 as suggested to start my research.

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yes, If my interests were only 2D, and you are accustomed to the DLP "look" and the great optics of your current Sharp, I would try to find a XV-Z20000. You can still buy them new from a few places, but not cheap. If I were able to come across a sweet deal on one, I personally wouldn't hesitate to pick one up.

But as it stands, their price is a bit out of my range, so I am waiting on the new JVC models to come out around Christmas time.
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You know, if I could find a used Sharp xvz-20000 I'd go with that. I missed an opportunity a while back. I'm kind of kicking myself now. I supposed I can always just pick up yet another lamp for the 12k when the time comes.

I kind of feel I painted myself into a corner with this unit, heh. I bought it on firesale after all, so I basically stole this lens. And yeah, it's pretty hard to give up good optics once you've had it. I mean, it's a projector...I'd argue it main job is to uh, focus light on a surface. You kind of need a lens for that, and the better, the better.

There's no way I'd drop anything in the "teens" for an upgrade, though. I'd like to be able to have hobbies, like eating food, when I someday retire. I suppose I'll check into the JVC 45 or 55 as suggested to start my research.

A few weeks ago a customer called trying to get a lamp for his XV-Z20000 and he was not having any luck finding one anywhere. in the country. They were on back order for three weeks at least.

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A few weeks ago a customer called trying to get a lamp for his XV-Z20000 and he was not having any luck finding one anywhere. in the country. They were on back order for three weeks at least.

Yeah, that's a gotcha with these units, for sure. 2,000 hour rated lamps that are very expensive.

That said, there were no lamps to be had in-country last time I picked up a new one for my XV-Z12000, but I did eventually get one.

I guess I'm used to the DLP look because it's all I've ever had (never was a fan of LCD when DLP vs. LCD was all the rage). However, I haven't so much as really seen the likes of LCOS or DILA in person (or even the newer LCDs for that matter). I've been kind of "out of the game" since buying the Sharp...just enjoying.

Is 3D to a state where I should really be even interested? I like the effect at the cinema (I don't understand most of the extremely negative reactions to it I've heard), but it's obviously not something for every film and all the time. However, I do find myself doing quite a bit of gaming on XBox now and I know some titles support this and am kind of intrigued. I can see Gears of War 3 or Modern Warfare 2 being pretty cool at 106" in a dark cave with a bit of perspective and depth. I'm wondering if 3D might be a part of the reason to upgrade.

I'm also kind of toying with a cheap implementation of CIH. Years ago I built an anamorphic lens of my own to pair with the mighty Infocus X1, and later went in on an experimental acrylic Panamorph. A friend recently did something using the zoom method that he likes. However, I'm again really kind of pampered by the sharpness and film-like nuance the Sharp is capable of, and if I go back to pixel city, or to LCD color blast, or to chromatic aberrations, or to soft focus, I wonder if I'd be at all impressed.

I do quite like what I'm reading about the RS55. I'd love to see one sometime. The SIM units I never hear anything about (perhaps I'm usually too busy "slumming it" to come across them).

I also see RS40's and 50's floating around for sale out there.

I'm just surprised that it's still so hard to make an obvious leap without considering more than a couple-few thousand. Dang lenses and their fine craftsmanship! It's like the man-cave version of diamond jewelry. "High-end Lenses: For just 3 month's salary, give him the gift that will last forever*"

*where forever is equal to 2-4 years of decline towards product obsolescence and full fair-market value depreciation.

Too bad projector lenses aren't like like camera lenses. You know, some kind of a standard that you can keep, just replacing camera bodies / projectors. I'll almost feel kind of bad if one day I have to junk this projector knowing such a fine piece of workmanship sits there in the optical path, in as perfect shape as it was one day one.

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I wish Sharp and Marantz still made projectors (the XV-Z17000 doesn't count ).

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A used Samsung SP-A900B / Marantz VP-11S2 would be a really nice upgrade.
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If you like the look of DLP then it will be hard to live with an LCOS/SXRD, well was for me at least.

The other problem is (I sound like broken record here) that a lot of newer DLP models all use the smaller chips and IMO can't cut it compared to the 1" ( I have owned both). I guess you'll have to make your mind up about 3D, I'm not into yet. I would have to give a +1 to SOWK's suggestion

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I guess my question then is this. Is it worth like 3 grand to upgrade from my 12k mkII to something like the Samsung SP-A900B? Or for the money should I be looking towards the newer stuff? I'd hate to spend a really significant amount on anything that might just seem an almost lateral move. I was considering the Sharp 20k I mentioned because it was little more than the price of a couple new lamps, in the end analysis.

And yeah, it's a pity Sharp left the game. I'm still trying to figure out why DLP sort of bit the dust in general. I find that weird, but then, my particular preferences never seem to align with popular opinion. I'm the stick-shift rear-wheel-drive coupe guy living in the world of SUVs. Heck I even really liked webOS, lol.

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DLP just doesn't have great mid line projectors...

Lower end like Benq, Mitsubishi, Infocus

Or

High end like Sim2, Runco, Digital Projection

If a old high end DLP works for your setup, there is no lcos / sxrd / lcd that can compare when it comes to overall image quality. IMHO.
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I agree with SOWK. Your best bet might be one used Samsung's A900B. This comes with excellent lens and DarkChip4, 0.9 inch version rather than smaller 0.6 inch.

I just received another lamp for 12KMk2. Good for another 2,000 hours.
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I also agree with SOWK. Once you get used to the DLP look it is hard to go to LCOS. I've had a look at the JVC and the LCOS look isn't for me. Doesn't have the sense of depth DLP has.

Unfortunetly there are only a few routes you could go with DLP. Look for used Marantz 15,S1, 11S2, Samsung 900, etc or go the high end like the new Sim2 Nero range which comes with a Darkchip 4 0.95 chip but starts at $20k.

It is a shame Sharp, Marantz exited the market but IMO Sim2 is the only place to look for a replacement DLP product. IMO.

Haven't seen the LED DLP products so cant comment on those.
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Sorry that Im soooo late in getting to this thread. But I currently own the Sharp xv-z12000 mk2. I originally won 1 on ebay in October 2011 for $400. It was a store demo. Then got email saying it was damaged.. blah blah .got refund. Picked up a Mitsubishi hc1700 for $200 on ebay and it was Well worth the money. Really good picture, but you could tell that the slower color wheel speed affected the image. Sold it. And it took 6 months before someone on craigslist had one. Picked it up for under $200 with a new bulb. smile.gif Anyhow. Its a great projector and it REALLY gives the 1080p units a run for the money. I thought about upgrading to a full 1080p projector with higher contrast ratio and more lumens. But, as the other posters have said.. This sharp was waaaay before its time. Most projectors under $3000 will really have a hard time making the sharp look outdated and worth the extra money. I will upgrade to a xv-z20000 when I see one cheap but for now.. Ill just be looking at 1080i and enjoying it.
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Tried to pick up a used XV-Z20000, but got a bad unit. So I'm stuck still looking for one.

I am looking at a Marantz 11S2 right now as well. I'm not sure if this would be better than the Sharp 20k, or not as good in terms of brightness. It at least has the same Konicka/Minolta type of lens setup. I don't think I could live with something less sharp than the...um...Sharp.

This is still really hard.

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I just picked up an 11s1 and can say it is the sharpest projector I've ever used. Sharper than my planar pd8150. Black levels on the marantz 11s2 should be better than the sharp as long as you have the iris clamped down. I also purchased a high power dalite screen to pair it up with the 11s1. You may want to look into a high power screen for the marantz. They'll pair beautifully. As far as PQ goes you really cant do much better for under $12000.
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I own a Sharp MK2 and called myself upgrading to a Benq W6000 and I have to admit I miss my sharps image quality. I am either going to find a bulb and hang my sharp in my master suite or upgrade. I am also interested in 3d and enjoy it on my TV from time to time. I hope you find a worthy upgrade.
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I actually already have a DaLite High Power (HP) paired with the XV-Z12000, so I'd be set for the Marantz 11S2. However, I wanted the XV-Z20000 partly for the brightness increase, which I feel the lack of on my 12k (especially for gaming). I'd hate to go with the Marantz only to find I should have stuck with my search for a 20k.

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As long as the 11S2 has a new bulb it should be plenty bright on your high power screen. You have to be careful about how you have your projector set up with the da-lite high power screen. Because the screen has retro-reflective properties set up is crucial. The angle at which the light is hitting is critical to getting the maximum brightness. Your position to the screen is also just as critical. So if you think the Sharp is dim in combination with the HP screen either the bulb is on its last leg or you have something set up incorrectly especially considering that projector gives off more lumens then the Marantz. If you have the Sharp ceiling mounted that is probably your issue.
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Guys, I own the Marantz VP-12S4 with the Konica Minolta lens and you would be shocked at just how well the lens of my JVC RS45 with Darbee compares to the Marantz. I use the Marantz on an older 106" (2.8 gain) High Power screen. i use the JVC ON an EN4K screen.

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I don't think he's speaking 100% about how good the lens is. I think he's talking about how sharp the image looks on screen. The Darblet on the 11s1 is pure bliss in regards to sharpness, my X3 is very sharp for a 3 chipper but the Marantz is still in another league.
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I understand how the retro screen works...my XV-Z12k lens is almost smack in the screen center, and my eyeballs are dead center and almost at the same height. It's optimal. Still don't consider there to be a comfortable amount of brightness overhead for games over the course of the first half of a lamp's life.

I think I'm kind of still stuck on finding a 20k. I just want a drop in replacement at this point, and I know I like it. The Marantz would be a bit of a gamble since I've never seen one, but I'd perhpas chance it if the price was right.

Just wish there was one to buy.

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They pop up on ebay from time to time. I saw one go for $749 last week.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281002321997?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

You can set ebay to send an email to you when new auctions are listed. Set that reminder and you'll know when they go up.

Edit: Is this the one you bought?
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Lol, that's totally the one I bought. I'm in the process of returning it due to it not being as described (i.e. it, y'know, doesn't actually work). mad.gif I was looking to rocking Halo 4 on that thing next week.

What drives me nuts are these online e-tailers who think they are still worth $6000+ because "ZOMG!!!!!1!!!!1! it used to sell for over $10,000!" Yeah, uh, some years ago before it was discontinued by a development and manufacturing division of Sharp that no longer exists... Way to stay on top of your inventory.

I'm a very niche buyer. It's like, would someone please just take my money in exchange for their dusty, crusty, space-wasting, discontinued and rapidly depreciating inventory. Please. It's not hard...here it's even all folded nicely and in order. rolleyes.giftongue.gif

Maybe it's time to say screw it and go in for a JVC RSxx where xx equals whatever the current (or late model) number is these days.

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Was the xv-z20000 projector just DOA . Or what was wrong with it? thats the only projector im looking to get and these suckers are plain ole difficult to find
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