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post #151 of 167 Old 01-17-2012, 07:20 PM
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What? I have heard nothing of this Viewsonic. Info please.

not much more ,there is a optoma also and a beast pj that is 4000 lumens laser/led(not casio)
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"Beauty and the Beast" or "BIG Pappa and Sonny" ?
I thought you guys would get off on this size comparison between my temporary/back-up projector, the LG HX300G, and my new beast, the Runco Q750D...
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I see you have a remote control problem like me

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Hey David,
....Yeah, i do seem to have a problem with too many remote controls, but on the other hand i'm one of those guys who appreciates dedicated remote controls and don't mind at all selecting which remote control(s) to use depending on the A/V task at hand; It gets to the point that when i decide to watch a blue-ray movie i'll pull out three remotes : one to operate the BD player, another to control volume/etc on A/V processor AND the projector's remote control just in case i decide to adjust color/contrast/brightness on the fly.
Sometimes when i'm in the midst of all this A/V obssession i wonder if i suffer from a combination of "audiotitis/videotitis", that deadly and incurable illness...
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Why the heck don't you get a universal?

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Why the heck don't you get a universal?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Because when it comes to universal remote controls i wonder how truly "universal" they are.
For example, to access some functions of my Runco pj from its remote control it requires that a password be entered every time the pj is turned ON and i wonder whether or not an universal control would accept and blast command signals involving passwords with numbers+letters.
Or, what if i decided, in a spur of the moment, to increase the CMS "red gain" function that is available in my A/V processor that requires going through several layers of the set-up menu to finally arrive at the "red gain" up/down control bar; Would an universal remote allow me to do that ?
Are universal remote controls capable of being programmed to perform the complete set of functions - in its entirety - that is available to the owner when he uses the original remote control shipped with the unit ?
Would i be able to program an universal remote control to perform the entirety of all functions available in my 17 remote controls ?...I wonder...
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Because when it comes to universal remote controls i wonder how truly "universal" they are.
For example, to access some functions of my Runco pj from its remote control it requires that a password be entered every time the pj is turned ON and i wonder whether or not an universal control would accept and blast command signals involving passwords with numbers+letters.
Or, what if i decided, in a spur of the moment, to increase the CMS "red gain" function that is available in my A/V processor that requires going through several layers of the set-up menu to finally arrive at the "red gain" up/down control bar; Would an universal remote allow me to do that ?
Are universal remote controls capable of being programmed to perform the complete set of functions - in its entirety - that is available to the owner when he uses the original remote control shipped with the unit ?
Would i be able to program an universal remote control to perform the entirety of all functions available in my 17 remote controls ?...I wonder...

Sure, you can do all that, a good universal remote can do everything your stock remotes can, and on top of that they can automate lots of commonly performed operations (like power on sequences, source selection, etc) to make your system easier to use.

I've got a URC MX880 (+MRF350 RF base station) running my system, and I can do everything you describe there. For my commonly used functions I created "activities" with macros to automatically start up the system/devices (if they aren't already on) and select all the appropriate inputs. So, for example, when I select "Watch Blu-ray", it will power up my Planar 8150, my AVM50V, and my Pioneer 51FD, select all the appropriate inputs, and default the aspect ratios (in case some other input messed with them).

But I also have all of the original functionality of the original remotes programmed into additional "devices" so if I want to do something "unusual" I can.

Like if I want to change the surround mode on my AVM50V, I go to the AVM50V device, hit the mode button and do my adjustment. If I want to tweak it's video processor settings I go to the AVM50V device and hold down the info key for the 3 seconds or so it takes to get into the video processor menu.

A good universal remote will do everything you can with separate remotes, and on top of that help you automate your system so instead of needing to grab 3 remotes, and pressing a lot of buttons to watch a Blu-ray, you just press one button and it does all that for you. Now you may not be able to setup a macro to do everything (or heck, maybe you can) but IMO that's not the right strategy for programming a universal remote. The macros are there to make common tasks easier/seamless, not to automate stuff you only do once or twice a month/year/system/device.

FWIW, for a long time I didn't have a universal remote, I tried lots of inexpensive "universal" remotes, and even a Harmony and could never find one I liked, I always found them limiting in some way, and liked the original remotes better. But that all changed when I bought my MX880, it wasn't cheap, but it was one of the best investments I've made in my HT and I honestly love it.

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I don't bother trying to program everything from the original remote; I don't mind picking up the original once in awhile for occasional things.

I also have a URC and RF base station, and I like not having to aim the remote as much as not having to fumble for multiple ones.

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I don't bother trying to program everything from the original remote;

Generally it's not a "bother" as all the codes are already in the database, you just pick the device and it's automatically laid out on the remote with all the codes there.

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I don't mind picking up the original once in awhile for occasional things.

I used to think that, but that's one of the reasons it took me so long to get a universal remote. I found little more annoying than, after putting all your specific remotes away (mine are all in my equipment rack on the other side of the basement/HT) only to find that in the middle of something you have to go find a special remote to do something.

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Generally it's not a "bother" as all the codes are already in the database, you just pick the device and it's automatically laid out on the remote with all the codes there.

Then you've had a lot better luck with that then I; usually only a few of the functions of a device work for me.

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The picture characteristic I value most is that visual presence, in which the image seems as if looking through a window into a space with real depth, not referring here to actual 3D technology as it is now, but just a natural sense of dimension that engages viewing; current 3D to me seems too artificial, too forced, as if all objects in the frame are cut-out images on one of a few flat planes from foreground to back ground, with no continuous spacial dimension. I greatly enjoy my LG PA70G LED DLP projector on a 120" widescreen in a totally light-controlled room, which currently best gives me that immersive deep-dimensional experience of projected cinema.
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...current 3D to me seems too artificial, too forced, as if all objects in the frame are cut-out images on one of a few flat planes from foreground to back ground, with no continuous spacial dimension.
That's exactly my experience; to me 3D looks less real than good 2D.
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I have been thoroughly enjoying my LG PA70G LED projector for quite a while now, in a totally darkened dedicated home theater room (windows blocked out), on a 120 inch basic Elite widescreen, a manual pull-down that I leave down all the time, with input sources of a Yamaha HDMI 5.1 receiver, Panasonic blu-ray player, and WDTV media player. For me, the overall cinema experience I get watching with friends is still better than any smaller than 90" 4K (well, we know it's really 2160P) UHD TV, I've seen in stores. Oh, for sure, 4K, and 1080P flat screens far exceed the LG PA70G in terms of specs of lumens, contrast ratio, etc, (I know that) but for me, the actual impact of the huge 120 inch widescreen I'm getting from the LED projector is still more cinematic than those relatively small screen sizes. I have a 65" LCD flat screen in the main bedroom and a 55" in the guest bedroom, so I do enjoy direct-view flatscreen TVs for TV show watching and some movies. The LG PF1500 is the first new LED projector that I would get as a real upgrade to the trusty "old" LG PA70G. Some people delight in their 50",60", or a bit larger HD, or 2160P, i.e. "4K" TVs, and I get that they enjoy it, but that size is not large enough to me to consider it home cinema (which, for purely subjective reasons I acknowledge, to me is 90 Inches 16:9 or larger); this is a personal preference though, I know, but I believe that there are some really large screen (at least 90', 16:9 or larger) home projection fans out there!
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That's exactly my experience; to me 3D looks less real than good 2D.
That depends on the 3D itself. 2D converted into 3D by a Teranex processor mimics real world 3D much closer than studio 3D does. But then again are people actually looking for reality when they watch a movie? I doubt it -- it's all about escapism.

Our 2D movies in most instances don't look like reality -- in most movies dark scenes are "lit" so we can actually see what's going on. Closeups reveal much more than we'd see in real life or want to see. People in movies get seriously hurt and spontaneously recover and so on. Real has little to nothing to do with most movies, at least action type movies. For example, just watch a movie called John Wick or The Equalizer -- what do they have to do with reality?
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People do look for escapism when viewing films, though it is undesirable for the image quality to look so fake as to jolt us out of that escapism. Current 3D display technology looks less "real" in the sense that images recorded by simply pointing the camera at something that's happening in front of the camera in real life, look computer generated because the 3D process itself makes it look CGI, even when no computer generated images are onscreen! It is true that most dark scenes in movies are artificially lighted, but that is because the camera cannot pickup low light nearly as well as normal human vision could if you were actually there, so the extra illumination is needed only so that we can see something on the playback image. Current 3D is fine for an occasional thrill but it is sort of gimmicky for now, looking less film-like and more cartoonish than good 2D. Of course things happen in movies that would be highly improbable if not impossible in life (stunts, people not being hurt as they would in "real" life and the like), but that is part of the storytelling drama of the movie, a suspension of disbelief in order to enjoy the story, not necessarily related to the image visually looking fake, as it does by current 3D.

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Current 3D display technology looks less "real" in the sense that images recorded by simply pointing the camera at something that's happening in front of the camera in real life, look computer generated because the 3D process itself makes it look CGI, even when no computer generated images are onscreen! Current 3D is fine for an occasional thrill but it is sort of gimmicky for now, looking less film-like and more cartoonish than good 2D. Of course things happen in movies that would be highly improbable if not impossible in life (stunts, people not being hurt as they would in "real" life and the like), but that is part of the storytelling drama of the movie, a suspension of disbelief in order to enjoy the story, not necessarily related to the image visually looking fake or unaltered as it does by current 3D.
Have you compared the 3D produced by a Teranex processor to studio 3D? In other words the same movie converted from 2D to 3D by the Teranex as compared to the 3D version. This is something I spent some time doing to get a feel for the differences between the two. I watch a lot of 2D converted by the Teranex to 3D and IMO it creates a very "real" 3D world -- more so than studio 3D; however, I do like the exaggerated effects of studio 3D, especially negative parallax if used judiciously.
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I have not seen a Teranex processor in operation, but would like to, I hadn't heard of it before your posting, so I just now read some information about it online and it seems like a very high image quality device. I have a 55" LG passive 3D LED LCD TV (I like the more stable passive tech, the image doesn't seem to flicker like active 3D does to me), a Panasonic 3D blu-ray player, Yamaha 5.1 receiver with Boston Acoustic five speaker plus powered sub setup. Both the LG TV and the Panasonic player can do 2D to 3D conversion with reasonably good quality, not great though and certainly far, far less quality than the Teranox, I would think so. Movies that are recorded natively in 3D look better, more natural to me than those converted to 3D in post production. I check the website "realorfake3d.com" to know which is which.
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