Originally Posted by jmalto
I have 0 doubt the 5010 is the better of the two units for 2D, where the 5010falls on its face is the input lag. If Epson could fix this I would of definitely picked up the 5010 for what I will be using the W7000 for as I really enjoyed the 3010 when I had it.
Also interesting Art got a pre-prod model when the unit is shipping now? I will check the firmware right off the bat to see if it is newer than what he has.
And why do you have "0" doubt the 5010 is better in 2D? I certainly have a lot of doubt....there is more to picture quality than black level. With that said, I really wanted to consider the epson and it may have a better 2D picture than the W7000 but I do have doubts. My problem with the 5010 is not enough lumens in best mode where I will do all my 2D viewing.
Anyway, all you new 3D fans out there looking to DLP to satisfy your lack of ghosting etc. need to understand and accept that a DLP will likely never beat LCOS and at the present is not even in the same league when it comes to black level. The Epson 5010 while still not as good as the JVCs are still very good at lowering the black levels due to their aggressive iris and again is going to be much lower than any low end DLP at blacks. Black level freaks need not consider DLP you need to go back to JVC. If you want great black levels and great 3D, it is time to figure out how you will use 2 projectors.
What DLP does tend to offer is a brighter calibrated best mode (Art is getting over 1000 lumens vs. 630 lumens on the Epson and unknown on the RS45). I would venture that Art will measure at most 800 lumens once calibrated on the RS45. Remember that everyone measures differently or has different meters, environment, etc. For instance projector central reported over 800 lumens on Cinema mode for the 5010, but I don't think they do as much calibrating or they simply measure the center of the screen...not really sure why such a discrepancy here. I know that projector central as of late tends to measure higher lumens than Art from projector reviews.
DLP also tends to have a perceptibly sharper image due to single chip and no convergence issues.
And last they tend to have a higher inter scene or ANSI contrast level.
And all that leads to that DLP "Pop" people talk about.
I personally have had DLP, LCD, and JVC in my theater and so far I tend to keep DLPs simply because they are able to produce a more pleasing image on my 165" screen. But if I had a more normal 100-120" screen I would use a JVC RS45 for 2D. Still not sure about 3D, but would likely consider two projectors, in fact this is my thought now, but the logistics of that are causing me to think on it longer.
Anyway, I just figured anyone asking to compare the black level of JVCs or the Epson 5010 to a DLP was likely new to DLP and thought I would put out some information for you to ponder.