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post #481 of 499 Old 12-22-2011, 10:54 AM
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Ok, so what glasses do I need to make 3D work?

I need cheap ones.

Are these DLP link glasses or active shutter?
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@ dan,

The 5010 is very close in 2D performance to the rs45, are you expecting the Benq to be better than the JVC in terms of 2D performance and black levels? I've owned plenty of DLP projectors and prefer Lcos over it a majority of the time. I will say I wouldn't trade my Samsung 67" DLP for anything as the picture quality is amazing.

I will know soon enough how the Benq weighs in.
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Ok, so what glasses do I need to make 3D work?

I need cheap ones.

Are these DLP link glasses or active shutter?

I believe both, DLP link glasses are also active shutter glasses. I think this uses DLP link.
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What DLP does tend to offer is a brighter calibrated best mode (Art is getting over 1000 lumens vs. 630 lumens on the Epson and unknown on the RS45). I would venture that Art will measure at most 800 lumens once calibrated on the RS45.

The RS-45 is a light canon as well. Should be more like 1025+ lumens for the RS-45 on a new lamp at closest throw, around 900 at mid-zoom.

At farthest throw around 800 lumens. It will drop significantly though in the first 200 hours most likely, I'm guessing at least 10% to 20%.

I don't think the Epson 5010 is as good for movies as the RS-45, but partly it will depend on room conditions and throw distance. If you take the Epson 5010 back to mid-zoom, you're more than likely going to get around 5000:1 Native at best, the Epson's IRIS can bring that up to around 20,000:1 realistically without too much pumping, anything higher and you'll see some IRIS side effects.

The 5010 is closer to the Sony hw30 than it is to the RS-45. The RS-45 has 50,000:1 Native at farthest throw, and I actually measured 48,000:1 so it's not a BS number.

Dynamic Contrast is not as good as native contrast, it can be almost as good in certain scenes, but overall the IRIS closing down isn't a guarantee on how it will affect the scene, but native contrast is more of a guarantee.


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regarding lumens - let's see how the RS45 (calibrated) compares to the W7000 @ D65. I'll have both side by side on Sunday. This RS45 was calibrated by Tom @ Chromapure, can't get much better than that.

I also want to see how watchable the torch mode is @ 1500+ lumens, there's plenty of folks who might enjoy sports/HDTV viewing with ambient light on a low gain screen.

IMO, these projectors are compliments to each other, not necessarily direct competition since each projector has it's pros and cons.

The W7000's strength is going to be the 3D, I already know the outcome before I even take it out of the box.

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Quick notes as I've spent about 30 minutes with it so far:

-FI stays enabled for low/medium/high in 3D. Without FI you can notice a difference in smoothness in monsters vs. aliens
-My firmware is 1.00
-If you play with the 3D settings manually say to side-by-side or top-to-bottom the projector acts like it wants to lock up and takes a very long time to correct itself. When set to auto, it is taking about 25-30 seconds to display a 3D picture from my Samsung bluray player
-My viewsonic/optoma glasses (DLP-Link) work fine with this projector
-3D looks good so far with no ghosting in Monsters vs. Aliens on the usual scenes.

More to come.
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Quick notes as I've spent about 30 minutes with it so far:

-FI stays enabled for low/medium/high in 3D
-My firmware is 1.00
-If you play with the 3D settings manually say to side-by-side or top-to-bottom the projector acts like it wants to lock up and takes a very long time to correct itself. When set to auto, it is taking about 25-30 seconds to display a 3D picture from my Samsung bluray player
-My viewsonic/optoma glasses (DLP-Link) work fine with this projector
-3D looks good so far with no ghosting in Monsters vs. Aliens on the usual scenes.

More to come.

your making me want to leave work early, I have 3 hours left. or less if your next post gets me fired up enough to leave.

Give me a few mins, I'll start the owners thread.
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Horrible shot with iphone, ignore the wall I moved my shelf down to accomodate the projector Without tweaking any settings the colors are surprisingly pretty nice out of the box, much better than the HD33. I definitely can notice a difference in output between the BenQ and the Epson 3010, the 3010 was much brighter in 3D IMO but so far I have seen 0 crosstalk on the BenQ and the FI is a nice touch.

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Horrible shot with iphone, ignore the wall I moved my shelf down to accomodate the projector Without tweaking any settings the colors are surprisingly pretty nice out of the box, much better than the HD33. I definitely can notice a difference in output between the BenQ and the Epson 3010, the 3010 was much brighter in 3D IMO but so far I have seen 0 crosstalk on the BenQ and the FI is a nice touch.

can you start posting your updates in the official thread? I am suddenly feeling ill (new projector-i-tus) and must leave work soon.
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@ dan,

The 5010 is very close in 2D performance to the rs45, are you expecting the Benq to be better than the JVC in terms of 2D performance and black levels? I've owned plenty of DLP projectors and prefer Lcos over it a majority of the time. I will say I wouldn't trade my Samsung 67" DLP for anything as the picture quality is amazing.

I will know soon enough how the Benq weighs in.

I may be wrong but it seems you are only looking at black level when you say the 5010 is close to the rs45 and I think I admitted that any DLP will not even be in the same league as JVCs when it comes to black levels. But I am also not convinced that in all 2D aspects that the Epson 5010 is "close" to the same as the rs45, they are completely different technologies for one thing. I also have yet to see either of these projectors myself but I still expect the rs45 will be better 2D over all than the Epson. At least on paper the rs45 should be better in 2D, better contrast and black levels, brighter best mode, and no dynamic iris.

So no I don't expect the Benq to be better 2D than the JVC over all and I would love to have the RS45. In fact I am considering it again if the bulb issues are indeed resolved and it can put out something close to 900 lumens after calibration. I also bet the Epson will be better over all than this BenQ in 2D but I am not as convinced as I am with the RS45.

At the end of the day however we all have different needs from a projector, and for me most of these projectors really put out amazingly good images and comes down to only a few issues. For me those issues are calibrated lumen output and contrast level. For others they are concerned about lag and now ghosting in 3D.

But for me and others that need a bright calibrated image this new BenQ W7000 may be one of the only games in town unless we want to move up to the big money....and oh how that new Sony W10000 is tempting my pocket book.......
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The RS-45 is a light canon as well. Should be more like 1025+ lumens for the RS-45 on a new lamp at closest throw, around 900 at mid-zoom.

At farthest throw around 800 lumens. It will drop significantly though in the first 200 hours most likely, I'm guessing at least 10% to 20%.

If that is anything even close I may have an RS45 in my future. I don't mind and I am very realistic and in my expectation regarding the drop in lumens over the first 600 hours, but the JVCs have sometimes dropped too much, greater than 50% in some cases. I am down roughly 45% in 650 hours on my SP8602 and honestly that has been fairly typical loss on the 5 projectors I have had over the past 10 years.

I just completed my true bat cave if you will this year (complete light control, black walls, ceiling, and carpet) and thought wow, I am at 650 hours and still in low lamp mode and my image is still perceptibly bright enough to be pleasing. I decided to get the light meter out and measure and was surprised that I was at 460 lumens in my normal movie watching mode and it still looked good on a 165" ~ 1.0 gain AT screen. I figured I would have needed to go to brilliant color on and high lamp mode by now (which produced 680 lumens). But anything too much less than this starts to look a bit dull...in fact I often times turn on brilliant color which jumps my lumens up to 575.
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I am considering the w7000 for a home I'm purchasing which has a dedicated home theater in the basement. The room has complete light control and is 13.5" x 14.5" and the projector lens is 106" from the screen. The former owner has a Mits DLP projector with a 84" screen installed that he is taking with him. Seating is 144" (12') from the screen, too. Is the w7000 projector able to work within these distances and at least an 84" screen? Could I go with a larger screen? This is my first venture into home theater, literally.
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The W7000 will not work for you. It has a throw ratio of 1.62-2.43 which means 106"/1.62 = 65" which is the max screen width and is around 75" image diagonal. The Benq W1070 has a throw ration of 1.15-1.5 so you could go as big as 106"/1.15 = 92" width which is around 105" image diagonal.
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Thanks for the reply. I figured that, so I have my sight on the Mits HC-8000D-BL which should allow me the ability to get up to an 84" screen and have a picture quality similar to the BENQ W7000.
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Thanks for the reply. I figured that, so I have my sight on the Mits HC-8000D-BL which should allow me the ability to get up to an 84" screen and have a picture quality similar to the BENQ W7000.

I had a W7000 and W1070, and the Mit HC8000 is much better. Also, RF 3D has better PQ than DLP Link.
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Most of us would probably agree if we saw it and judged it purely by PQ, but it just won't be bright enough in 3D for most of us, especially after 500 hours and the fact we cannot easily mount it low to the screen unless we floor mount to get the HP gain. The other issue for me is that for some reason Mits color wheels always seem to produce like double the RBE of others, their 4x wheels produce the same RBE as most others 3x wheels. I do not know why.

That said, if it works for you, that's awesome, and I'm sure some other could figure out a way to get it working well in their setups (especially on screens under 110").


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Most of us would probably agree if we saw it and judged it purely by PQ, but it just won't be bright enough in 3D for most of us, especially after 500 hours and the fact we cannot easily mount it low to the screen unless we floor mount to get the HP gain. The other issue for me is that for some reason Mits color wheels always seem to produce like double the RBE of others, their 4x wheels produce the same RBE as most others 3x wheels. I do not know why.

That said, if it works for you, that's awesome, and I'm sure some other could figure out a way to get it working well in their setups (especially on screens under 110").

I thought he said his screen is 84in? That should be fine for 3d
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Right, I wasn't speaking to his setup, 84" sounds good. I was just saying for others that want to run out and grab one, just watch the screen size.


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