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Don't get too excited about the 7000 I honestly don't think it will be all that folks are hoping...I for one have issues with rainbows...and I honestly think for most movies, the Sony will clean it's clock...I had my doubts because of my purchasing the VW90 last year and having to sell it quickly...but this new model really does fix the ghosting big time!...when I saw POTC 3D >the scene out on the ship in open water...My mouth literally dropped to the floor!...The 3D was that good!...also seemed inhanced by the FI which can be enabled on 3D. And 2D and sports will be better on the Sony to boot. If anything, the 7000 may have less ghosting on crappy titles like "Grand Canyon etc...but, for motion pictures, I see no noticable ghosting on my Sony VW95ES.

Haha.....Grand Canyon is one of my favorite titles.

If you are happy, that is all that matters. I know at this point in time that the only tech that will satisfy my 3d itch is DLP since it is the only tech capable of ghost free 3d, especially with games and other sbs tnb content. How does your 95 do with games with the depth slider maxed out as far as ghosting?

Dont get me wrong though......the 95 sounds like the best all around single projector solution right now in this $$$ range, but there are certainly better 3d options IMO.

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Haha.....Grand Canyon is one of my favorite titles.

I know at this point in time that the only tech that will satisfy my 3d itch is DLP since it is the only tech capable of ghost free 3d, especially with games and other sbs tnb content.

IMO, the Sony is a little more than 1/2 way between the JVC and the Acer 3D DLP (especially with my MV3D's). I noticed that HP owners can see ghosting more than folks with lower gain screens.

The W7000 with the 6x color wheel and bright lamp should, by all accounts, clean the LCOS/LCD clocks this year with completely ghost-free 3D with frame packed, SBS and 3D console gaming.

The Sony is very good though, definitely better than the JVC. The FI in 3D is what makes it for me. You can still see mild ghosting throughout the entire movie on Sammy's Adventures, this movie is a 3D torture test.
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Haha.....Grand Canyon is one of my favorite titles.

If you are happy, that is all that matters. I know at this point in time that the only tech that will satisfy my 3d itch is DLP since it is the only tech capable of ghost free 3d, especially with games and other sbs tnb content. How does your 95 do with games with the depth slider maxed out as far as ghosting?

I'm not a gamer...my kids play on a 55 inch flat panel. My theater is mostly for Movies and sports...Good night bro...I actually got to get up at 6:30 and get ready to go to the sweat mill...lol congrats on your 45...hope all stays well. I did really love my RS-40's...never had the bulb issues either. But sadly, it just can't hang with the Sony for motion and sports...The black levels are pretty damn good too!...Good night...
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IMO, the Sony is a little more than 1/2 way between the JVC and the Acer 3D DLP (especially with my MV3D's). I noticed that HP owners can see ghosting more than folks with lower gain screens.

The W7000 with the 6x color wheel and bright lamp should, by all accounts, clean the LCOS/LCD clocks this year with completely ghost-free 3D with frame packed, SBS and 3D console gaming.

The Sony is very good though, definitely better than the JVC. The FI in 3D is what makes it for me. You can still see mild ghosting throughout the entire movie on Sammy's Adventures, this movie is a 3D torture test.

I dont doubt it.

Really looking forward to the 7000.

Chuck, I believe it. Sounds like a sweet projector Nice talking with you.....

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I have to say, that I can still see ghosting on the 95ES sometimes, but it is much better then the last ( 90ES ) - and I still havent get the MV´s to perform the best ( need time ) so for now they are not performing better then the Sony glasses, but they are a lot more comfortable to wear.

IMO the JVC ´s ( X30/X70 ) was not worse then the 95ES for ghosting ( sorry to say, because I like my 95ES ) actully what I saw at the demo looked better and will say that the JVC glasses was good to wear too - again better then the Sony´s and at level with the MV´s.

I will say too, that I did find the 30ES to be a little better then the 95ES for ghosting and that has probely to do with the higher contrast in the 95ES.

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I have to agree with you now, the ghosting do become more visible on the HP´s screen´s, but then again, we can probely just turn the duty on the MV´s further down and get lesser ghosting and around the same light.
BTW. I cant, for now, get the same result as you with the scene in Avatar ( with the sign on the wall ) on the MV´s


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Sorry dumb question: What's MV?
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Sorry dumb question: What's MV?

Oh, sorry - like Joerod say, its the MonsterVision 3D glasses, who all that have them ( except me for now ) agree is the best glasses for the Sony projectors ( HW30, 90ES and 95ES ) because you can adjust the delay and duty cycle ( ghosting and brightness ) and are very comfortable + they send via RF ( no sync problems ).

I need to play more with them to conclude the hopfully same result.


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can somebody make me an good offer, or tell me where we can get:

"MonsterVision Max 3D Eyewear System with Active Sync"

In europe? I live in Germany

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Very interesting report, d.j. I find it amazing that the Sony 95 can hang in there with the RS55 (X70) given the fact that the latter's native O/F CR is so much higher. The Sony's DI must really be quite effective. Esp that you (and others, too) find the detail in dark scenes with the 95 to be so good. (This sounds like what a variable gamma does, i.e., maybe a 2.3 gamma above 10-20 IRE, say, but fading to 2.1 or less at 10 IRE and below. Is this what the DI effectively does?)

Yes, although I am not surprised to hear about the 95 hanging with the RS55 in the contrast department. There is something dynamic going on in a good way besides the auto-iris (I think). This was so pronounced that I highlighted it in my comparison to the RS20 in this section:

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The best way to describe my overall impressions between the two is that the RS20 looks somewhat murky and a bit dull in comparison. I was amazed to see the additional contrast, pop and vibrancy that the VW95 has - especially considering that not only were both pjs were running a 2.22 gamma with a finely tuned Rec 709 gamut, but also because the RS20 was actually 10% brighter.

I wondered how this could be. Both pjs were well calibrated and yet the one that's putting out 10% less lumens is displaying a cleaner, vibrant, seemingly brighter and more contrasty image. I suppose this is due to the higher ANSI CR or ON/OFF of the VW95. Then again, can on/off CR really come into play in the context of a single frame? I wouldn't think so since the pj is still dependent on the native CR in that case, but whatever the reason, the VW95 had a more dynamic and vibrant picture.

It is these characteristics which I believe are making it so that, somehow, a pj with a native on/off CR of maybe 25,000:1 (but with a dynamic iris yielding 120,000:1) are contributing to what you are talking about in the contrast department.

Along these same lines - as you may recall, I went into the VW95 purchase thinking I was giving up some PQ when it came to watching movies but gaining advantages for sports and video-based viewing.

But what I found was that it is a win in both departments. Movie watching on the VW95 is far exceeding my expectations. The picture really draws me in like no projector before has. And I believe this is the result of that contrast boost we are talking about here.

Also I think I made a mistake in my A/B comparison in that I spent almost the entire time A/B-ing still frames against each other. Even though this revealed advantages in several key areas (as I discussed earlier), this approach still sold the Sony short by not seeing it in action.

Not because of the motion handling per-se, but rather because there is something really magical about the picture which to fully appreciate needs to be viewed in the context of watching the picture as opposed to looking at a still frame.

I do not know how the VW95 would compare in a A/B against the RS55. My guess is that each has some advantages over the other but that in many cases it may be splitting hairs. The RS55 probably offers a bit more room flexibility, likely being a bit brighter and having a longer throw range. Whereas the VW95 probably has the advantage in shadow detail, depth and motion handling. But again probably not night and day.

I continue to be WOWED by the VW95 and cannot get enough. I hope that anyone in the market for a new projector has an opportunity to see both so they can decide which is best for them. Likewise I look forward to seeing a RS55 one day, although I suppose it'll have to be in a direct A/B to appreciate most of the differences one way or the other.
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I agree that the VW95 is really all around solid. OOTB settings are also very good. It just works.
The RS55 is probably better for people who like to spend a lot of time calibrating and recalibrating, and measuring bulb lumens drop-off, and that kind of stuff.
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Do the movie modes ever have a use? Mode 1 was really dim, Mode 2 flickered. Is there some combination of settings or material where this works?
I tried it on a blu ray of The Dark Knight via my Oppo 93, and couldn't see how they can improve anything.
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I'm going to exchange my vpl-vw95es for another in hopes the next one has a better lens.
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I agree that the VW95 is really all around solid. OOTB settings are also very good. It just works.
The RS55 is probably better for people who like to spend a lot of time calibrating and recalibrating, and measuring bulb lumens drop-off, and that kind of stuff.

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can somebody make me an good offer, or tell me where we can get:

"MonsterVision Max 3D Eyewear System with Active Sync"

In europe? I live in Germany

Thanks
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I have get them from AVS, just send a mail to Mark H. ( AVS 4 ), the price was fine, but us in Europe pays a lot more ( first the product, then shipping, then VAT + 25% in Denmark , then a fee for import around + 10% ) , in Germany I think the VAT is 19% ( correct ? ) but still we dont get it so cheap as our american friends
But thats not AVS fault.


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To Mike at AV Science :
Finally got everything installed up and working. I want to thank you guys.
It was a real pleasure working with you. Filling my order in timely manner
made the project run smoothly. If I ever need any av gear, you will be the
first people I call..Thanks again Bob. By the way the Sony produces an image
that my wife says is just like a giant plasma hanging on the wall.
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I am right near max throw with the 2.0 45 lens. No way the 1.6 Sony would have enough range.

Geeeze. Didn't think about that. Same for me. Sony's 1.6 throw is too short for my theater too. I'm at max throw w/ current RS20 at 20' from 130" (10' wide) 2.40 screen.
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I'm going to exchange my vpl-vw95es for another in hopes the next one has a better lens.

What is wrong with your lens? IIRC you liked the focus edge to edge. CA issues maybe? What do you see in real-world material that you are looking to improve?
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Did your lens exhibit CA similar to or worse than this? (AVS HD 709 disk):
https://picasaweb.google.com/1029541...07516212049410
https://picasaweb.google.com/1029541...07503928332130
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Did your lens exhibit CA similar to or worse than this? (AVS HD 709 disk):
https://picasaweb.google.com/1029541...07516212049410
https://picasaweb.google.com/1029541...07503928332130

Worse.

I have so much blue chromatic aberration it looks like I have 2 blue pixels per 1 real blue pixel.
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What is wrong with your lens? IIRC you liked the focus edge to edge. CA issues maybe? What do you see in real-world material that you are looking to improve?

It is a large CA issue. Looking to improve perceived sharpness, and less blue color fringing.

You may also read my review to see more of my thoughts on the lens.
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The true test of a company is when there is an issue. My 95es, at seven hours use, when changing position presets the lens went full down and failed to respond either up/down or side to side. Due to my calling the wrong Sony support number I wound up having an issue trying to get the projector replaced. Having purchased it from Mike at AV Science I contacted him for assistance. To keep a long story short Mike and AV Science were fantastic, I think the true value in a company is the support when things go wrong and they were a life saver. So they have a very loyal customer. If you are considering AV equipment make sure you give them a call you will not be disappointed and if by some chance something does go wrong you will be thankful they are on your side. Also in the end Sony support came through very well once the proper group was involved.
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SOWK,
What I'm seeing - is that likely CA or slight misfocus at the bottom corners of my screen? I didn't take photos of the pixels more in line with my projector that are nearly perfectly square with no color fringes.
I hope you can get a more "locked in" projector.
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The true test of a company is when there is an issue. My 95es, at seven hours use, when changing position presets the lens went full down and failed to respond either up/down or side to side. Due to my calling the wrong Sony support number I wound up having an issue trying to get the projector replaced. Having purchased it from Mike at AV Science I contacted him for assistance. To keep a long story short Mike and AV Science were fantastic, I think the true value in a company is the support when things go wrong and they were a life saver. So they have a very loyal customer. If you are considering AV equipment make sure you give them a call you will not be disappointed and if by some chance something does go wrong you will be thankful they are on your side. Also in the end Sony support came through very well once the proper group was involved.
Thanks again Mike!!

Agreed on Mike. Buying through him was a pleasure. Fortunately I didn't need much extra help but it's reassuring to know the support is there when/if you need it.
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Worse.

I have so much blue chromatic aberration it looks like I have 2 blue pixels per 1 real blue pixel.

Wow guys sorry to hear about that. Certainly it shouldn't be the case. I needed to make some convergence adjustments, but once I did, convergence is very tight. Single pixels look like dots of white.

You guys should not have any problem getting your units replaced based on Sony's policy (especially within 90 days of purchase) as I understand it. And unless I am mistaken I think they are supposed to delivery a new unit in advance of your return and within 72 hours. Keep us posted. I'm also curious to learn about how well their replacement policy pans out. It was a considerable factor in my decision to go with the Sony.
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My dealer already has my replacement.

I don't have time to pick up till the weekend.
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Wow guys sorry to hear about that. Certainly it shouldn't be the case. I needed to make some convergence adjustments, but once I did, convergence is very tight. Single pixels look like dots of white.

You guys should not have any problem getting your units replaced based on Sony's policy (especially within 90 days of purchase) as I understand it. And unless I am mistaken I think they are supposed to delivery a new unit in advance of your return and within 72 hours. Keep us posted. I'm also curious to learn about how well their replacement policy pans out. It was a considerable factor in my decision to go with the Sony.

Any idea how that works if its past the 90 day mark? I have the 95 and can't wait to use it, but room is still under construction. I'm oping my theater room will be done within 90 days and I can test it out, but its studs at the moment and I am doing most of it myself on weekends, so...
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