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It's posted by Ron on the first page of this thread (#4).

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It's posted by Ron on the first page of this thread (#4).

Okay, thanks. Presumably once you get into the service menu, is it easy to find the 100 IRE screen?

Here is what Ron wrote in post #4:

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Press up, down, right, left, enter (press these buttons in this sequence and do it fairly fast). You may need to try several times to get the timing just right to bring up the service menu screen.

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Yeah, I almost never got the timing right. Kutlow came up with a technique that worked all the time - I think by doing the first part with the remote and the final enter on the projector itself. But don't quote me on that.

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I'm really looking forward to the first impressions of current RS40 owners. Mine (hopefully) should be here shortly.

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I hope to get my first summary out on Sunday. I am afraid it will have to wait into next week for me to run a calibration run as I am duty manager for my job this weekend and it is just too busy with too many interruptions.

I will say though that for 2D, this is one amazing projector and definitely a step-up from the X7. The main thing is its so much brighter in a usable preset, so I can stop the iris down more, which means the contrast goes up. Combined with the e-shift, I am addicted to watching it.

3D is more of a mixed bag so far and I will cover that in my summary shortly.

I am not going to write an essay, but I wanted to have time to go back and forth between the X7 and X70 and to get over the initial "honeymoon" effect. This is still not perfection, whether it be convergence, edge to edge sharpness at shortest throw or uniformity. But sometimes it is just good to sit down and actually watch something!

EDIT: I was asked if I see streaking off white letters on a black background. With the Oppo screensaver, I can "just" see a very faint streaking if I am right up to the screen. As soon as I step back, its gone.
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Can someone confirm if the lens memory will not change automaticly like AE7000 ?
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I hope to get it up tonight, just sold the RS50 emitter, and glasses, I did keep one pair to compare to the new glasses to see if there are any differences. I'll hopefully have something soon in regards to initial tests-Sunday/Monday, maybe tonight..
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Can someone confirm if the lens memory will not change automaticly like AE7000 ?

Not likely. You can download the manual, and nothing of the sort is mentioned in the manual.
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I hope to get it up tonight, just sold the RS50 emitter, and glasses, I did keep one pair to compare to the new glasses to see if there are any differences. I'll hopefully have something soon in regards to initial tests-Sunday/Monday, maybe tonight..

At lot of none HT people are also hoping for the same thing.
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So far on Lumens measurements, I am not seeing a significant difference from the RS50 at 311hrs vs. the RS55 at 0 hours in THX mode. Keep in mind the baselines I took this morning are the same. Nobody should freak out at my Lumens reading at the throw and screen size I am at:

THX Mode:

RS50: 372 Lumens, with ANSI Lumens average of 325
RS55: 405 Lumens, with ANSI Lumens average of 339

Not sure what to make of this now, kind of wishing I used my pattern generator earlier.

At any rate my expectation when calibrated is that it is higher than THX mode.

To my eyes with lens control on the cross hair pattern it did not seem as sharp as the RS50, no real content has been viewed.

In the SM, the convergence looked very good.

I did notice the Oppo logo white banding though not as significant as what was posted earlier.

I also have the same software version as conan48, if there is an update available it should be posted.

Update: I am going to reserve judgement on the Lumens, I just saw it jump in brightness and measured an additional 15 lux or about 451 Lumens at single point, the bulb is clearly not stable yet.
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So far on Lumens measurements, I am not seeing a significant difference from the RS50 at 311hrs vs. the RS55 at 0 hours in THX mode. Keep in mind the baselines I took this morning are the same. Nobody should freak out at my Lumens reading at the throw and screen size I am at:

THX Mode:

RS50: 372 Lumens, with ANSI Lumens average of 325
RS55: 405 Lumens, with ANSI Lumens average of 339

Those are low lamp? Also, not sure why screen size would affect lumens -- ftL, yes, but lumens?

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What did you measure the lumens with?



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What did you measure the lumens with?

Same meter used this AM on RS50, Mastech Digital Illuminance/Light Meter LX1330B...baseline established as it's mounted in same spot and distance, 17ft..
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Those are low lamp? Also, not sure why screen size would affect lumens -- ftL, yes, but lumens?

THX mode is Normal lamp mode, there is normal and high on the JVC.
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So far on Lumens measurements, I am not seeing a significant difference from the RS50 at 311hrs vs. the RS55 at 0 hours in THX mode. Keep in mind the baselines I took this morning are the same. Nobody should freak out at my Lumens reading at the throw and screen size I am at:

THX Mode:

RS50: 372 Lumens, with ANSI Lumens average of 325
RS55: 405 Lumens, with ANSI Lumens average of 339

Not sure what to make of this now, kind of wishing I used my pattern generator earlier.

At any rate my expectation when calibrated is that it is higher than THX mode.

To my eyes with lens control on the cross hair pattern it did not seem as sharp as the RS50, no real content has been viewed.

In the SM, the convergence looked very good.

I did notice the Oppo logo white banding though not as significant as what was posted earlier.

I also have the same software version as conan48, if there is an update available it should be posted.

Update: I am going to reserve judgement on the Lumens, I just saw it jump in brightness and measured an additional 15 lux or about 451 Lumens at single point, the bulb is clearly not stable yet.

How long did you let it warm up B4 measuring?


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How long did you let it warm up B4 measuring?


Not long enough. Chill bud, we're trying to make sure your picture doesn't end up posted on JVC support desks this year
There are a few differences in this model that I will have to play with, also did not set the screen adjust so that is one variable left out. Once I get it all squared away and calibrated I'll post the same excel sheet.

I will say at my distance it is hard to notice eShift doing it's thing, but if I walk up to the screen, there is no pixel structure visible just the screen material. THX mode looks fairly good OTB, there are some issues.

Took a look at the pixel adjust, my head is spinning reminds me of RPTV CRT's...zones/fine adjust or whole/adjust. Pro Cal of this unit should be more if it requires pixel adjustment. Also noticed there are Picture Tone settings as well. Time to RTFM. This is going to take some time to play with.

I'll measure OTB THX mode soon and post those numbers. Perhaps someone should start a calibration thread.
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Great glad to hear you'll be measuring the THX mode soon because I am curious what affect tuning to D65 will have on your lumens.
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No I ran it on high mode in the 3D setting, but I also went through other picture modes and brightness settings, etc and no effect on ghosting.

I'm kinda spoiled by the Sony HMD. That is the future of 3D It won't be a very social 3D future though

I'll post some pics later that should be interesting. Baraka. Shot on 70mm, then converted to 4K, then downconverted to 1080p, then back upconverted to 4k (well almost 4k, I think the JVC does 3800 or something)

Taking sharpness down from default of 30 in 3D mode helped.
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slightly off-topic. I couldn't find the RS45/55/65 on the Harmony remote database. Anyone know what to use? (Nor I am able to find X30/X70/X90)...

I will build one soon, then you can just ask tech support to copy mine.
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Folks,

Attached are some OOB measurements for THX mode with i1 and D3, as well as offsets.

It appears JVC has chosen to continue to set hard video limits with "Standard" HDMI setting. On HDMI settings, the "Standard" HDMI setting which is 16-235 video levels clips black and white, I tested this with black/white pluge patterns on the Accupel 5k as well as Spears Munsil BD. Setting HDMI to "Super White" gives me 16-255 which allows for the boxed color gradients to appear in the SM test pattern that has WRGB boxes, standard makes these boxes appear as solid. I can also see up to 254 with this setting. However blacks are still clipped. Setting HDMI to enhanced results in 0-255 levels and the pluge bar pattern appears but it is overall objectional and I think would be wrong to attempt calibration with PC levels on the JVC.


Break for football will get to calibration later this evening, I will do both standard HDMI and SuperWhite to see which results in a better overall picture, my guess is Standard, but we'll see...

MPC is disabled in the SM for these measurements
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Gotcha -do you have a copy of the RS50's THX mode gray scale to post? I am trying to remember if your reds were as low as mine.

My red's were quite low, 82-83% while green and blue were fine. (with 2 different lamps, no difference). Those reds look a bunch healthier in the report you just posted.


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With the (now ancient) RS20, 'standard' and 'enhanced' HDMI worked this same way. Greg Rogers recommended using enhanced, with Brightness and Contrast then set in the usual way: in 'standard', Br and Cst both come out ~ 0, and in 'enhanced', Br is ~ -5 or -6, and Cst ~ + 5 or 6. In 'enhanced' one can choose to set Cst to clip everything above 235 (as some advocate), or to reveal the S&M bars all the way up to 250 (as S&M recommend).
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With the (now ancient) RS20, 'standard' and 'enhanced' HDMI worked this same way. Greg Rogers recommended using enhanced, with Brightness and Contrast then set in the usual way: in 'standard', Br and Cst both come out ~ 0, and in 'enhanced', Br is ~ -5 or -6, and Cst ~ + 5 or 6. In 'enhanced' one can choose to set Cst to clip everything above 235 (as some advocate), or to reveal the S&M bars all the way up to 250 (as S&M recommend).

You beat me to this post. The only caveat I'd add is if one adjusts Contrast to 250 then that's the level which produces the brightest output of the projector. For sources (such as video) that cannot exceed 235 the full light output of the projector is not achieved. So, bottom line is yes, setting contrast to 250 buys some headroom but it also reduces light output at 235. Tradeoffs......

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You beat me to this post. The only caveat I'd add is if one adjusts Contrast to 250 then that's the level which produces the brightest output of the projector. For sources (such as video) that cannot exceed 235 the full light output of the projector is not achieved. So, bottom line is yes, setting contrast to 250 buys some headroom but it also reduces light output at 235. Tradeoffs......

Agreed! When I used to play around with this, I think I needed Cst to be ~ +5 to reveal the S&M bars up to 250, but if I only want to resolve them up to 235 I could set Cst all the way up to ~ +10 to 12, thus giving a brighter pic. And even though S&M recommend setting Cst to resolve the bars all the way up to 250 (just in case there is some material in that region), I believe most people chose to set Cst higher--resolving the bars only up to ~ 235 (or slightly above)--so as to get more light output.

But this is all with HDMI set to 'enhanced'. With it set to 'standard', the bars above 235 were all crushed, no matter what one set Cst to.
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But this is all with HDMI set to 'enhanced'. With it set to 'standard', the bars above 235 were all crushed, no matter what one set Cst to.

Agreed!
There may be a decent tradeoff in there somewhere though -- one doesn't have to go to 250.....perhaps split the difference at 242....

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Agreed!
There may be a decent tradeoff in there somewhere though -- one doesn't have to go to 250.....perhaps split the difference at 242....

The latter is exactly what I do. With my HP screen the pic is plenty bright and dynamic, and having this headroom above 235 really insures excellent resolution in the brightest white parts of a pic.
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There's a thread somewhere in the calibration section about whether there is any real information on discs above 235 (apart from test patterns obviously). In the light of this thread I aimed for 240 or so just to give a tiny bit of headroom, but also to maximise contrast. What I always find surprising is when plasma owners calibrate their fL by turning the contrast way down and throwing away the contrast of their displays. At least JVCs allow the control of fL using the iris...something that will probably make me buy another JVC in future (lamp issues, etc pending).

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There's a thread somewhere in the calibration section about whether there is any real information on discs above 235 (apart from test patterns obviously). In the light of this thread I aimed for 240 or so just to give a tiny bit of headroom, but also to maximise contrast. What I always find surprising is when plasma owners calibrate their fL by turning the contrast way down and throwing away the contrast of their displays. At least JVCs allow the control of fL using the iris...something that will probably make me buy another JVC in future (lamp issues, etc pending).

I also indeed remember this thread--exhaustive and passionate! But my take home lesson was to do just as you.
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Let me point at first, it is possible I have a defective unit/bulb.

I agree with what folks are posting regarding tradeoffs with HDMI settings, I will settle on standard or superwhite for my viewing. Ideally, Standard mode would allow slightly below and above black and white video levels with minimal changes to brightness/contrast settings for maximum light output in video range. Basically nothing changed from the RS50 so this is really not news.

With my unit, there are issues with the CMS still. I am finding while Colors are close to Rec709HD in "Standard" color profile, when using the custom 1 color profile to dial it in further, saturation control is unresponsive for primaries, secondaries and orange--regardless of where the control is moved. This is a problem. The CMS "blanking" issue still exists, when changing color settings the screen is blanking for .5 to 1 second. I am assuming that JVC was unable to correct this since it existed in the RS50 as well, it does however seem quicker. Overall colors are very accurate out of the box.

The ISF Calibrator II software cannot access and unlock the ISFccc modes, it seems there needs to be an update to allow one to use this tool for calibration, most use DDC with Spectracal so not sure if someone can check if it works with that software or if it is a JVC software issue.

Finally, I have noticed an anomaly when viewing 100% Gray Field pattern via an Accupel pattern generator. There are colors all over the screen, patches of red and green. I replicated this with the JVC Service Menu 100% Gray Field pattern as well. I also disabled MPC in the service menu in the off chance this was causing an issue, same result. In the off chance the Dalite HP screen is causing this, I am going to do a sheet test as well. I would be surprised if this was the case the RS50 did not have this issue.

I can't say that I've watched much content yet, some test material should reveal how bad the issue is, hard to tell in the compressed picture, but I included it anyhow.

I have an email into JVC engineering.

So far good and bad, let's assume this is a bum unit.
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Let me point at first, it is possible I have a defective unit/bulb.

I agree with what folks are posting regarding tradeoffs with HDMI settings, I will settle on standard or superwhite for my viewing. Ideally, Standard mode would allow slightly below and above black and white video levels with minimal changes to brightness/contrast settings for maximum light output in video range. Basically nothing changed from the RS50 so this is really not news.

With my unit, there are issues with the CMS still. I am finding while Colors are close to Rec709HD in "Standard" color profile, when using the custom 1 color profile to dial it in further, saturation control is unresponsive for primaries, secondaries and orange--regardless of where the control is moved. This is a problem. The CMS "blanking" issue still exists, when changing color settings the screen is blanking for .5 to 1 second. I am assuming that JVC was unable to correct this since it existed in the RS50 as well, it does however seem quicker. Overall colors are very accurate out of the box.

The ISF Calibrator II software cannot access and unlock the ISFccc modes, it seems there needs to be an update to allow one to use this tool for calibration, most use DDC with Spectracal so not sure if someone can check if it works with that software or if it is a JVC software issue.

Finally, I have noticed an anomaly when viewing 100% Gray Field pattern via an Accupel pattern generator. There are colors all over the screen, patches of red and green. I replicated this with the JVC Service Menu 100% Gray Field pattern as well. I also disabled MPC in the service menu in the off chance this was causing an issue, same result. In the off chance the Dalite HP screen is causing this, I am going to do a sheet test as well. I would be surprised if this was the case the RS50 did not have this issue.

I can't say that I've watched much content yet, some test material should reveal how bad the issue is, hard to tell in the compressed picture, but I included it anyhow.

I have an email into JVC engineering.

So far good and bad, let's assume this is a bum unit.

When trying to use the CMS, what color profile did you try to calibrate from?

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