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misterkit's Avatar misterkit 06:39 AM 11-26-2011
Any testing with the lens memory?

Ron Jones's Avatar Ron Jones 07:01 AM 11-26-2011
JVC spec. for max. lumens are the same for the X3 and X30 and my discussions with JVC reps at CEDIA indicated that in 2D there would at most be a slight increase for the X30/RS45 as compared to X3/RS40. However 3D should be a little better when used with the new JVC 3D glasses as compared to the X3 with the old 3D glasses. The most significant brightness improvements are for the the X7-->X70 and the X9-->X90 (same for RS50-->RS55 and RS60-->RS65) where the light engine has been changed to use a fixed color correction filter with less light loss than last year's models. The X3 and RS40 did not have this filter and as a result they had higher light output (perhaps on the order of 20% or more). It is claimed that the X70/X90/RS55/RS65 should now be within 10% of the lumens output of the X3/X30/RS40/RS45.

I suspect any real visible difference in a comparison of the X3 or RS40 to a X30 or RS45 as for lumens output will be more related to bulb-to-bulb variations and slight variations in an individual projector's performance.
42Plasmaman's Avatar 42Plasmaman 10:41 AM 11-26-2011
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No flickering at all , for me or the wife on this model or the older x3. However a mate said he saw flickering on the old X3......... must be a personal thing !? Never used CMD and I did try it for about 3 mins watching Transformers and didnt like it on my eyes.... However Dont quote me on that as I am trying to try too many things at once ...lol !

Just been trying a ps3 game which looked bad for crosstalk on the x3. Wipeout 3d ... It seems to look more 3d this time around, and less crosstalk ! Again moving the parallax setting reduced it furthur without reducing 3d in my eyes.

Art over at Projector Central watches a scene like a football going across the screen in 3D and I believe has seen flicker(football disappears for a few frames) on all 3D projectors.
Watching an object that moves around the screen may help expose 3D flicker.
DavidM5's Avatar DavidM5 11:07 AM 11-26-2011
I finally watched a 3D movie last night.
Got hold of a copy of Pirates of the Caribbean/ On Stranger Tides

Being a relative newbie when it comes to 3D being my first 3D projector, I was quite impressed with the 3D effect.

There were no issues with the picture quality once your eyes got used to the 3D effect.

Haven't had much time to mess around with the display settings.

I did notice the fan noise (projector is temporarily on a stand just behind my head) when the bulb was by default set on high mode during 3D picture profile.
When I changed the fan to 'normal' it was totally quiet although the picture was predictably a little darker but still usable.

Overall, I am very pleased with the X30!
Now I just have to go out and pick up more 3D movies LOL!
atabea's Avatar atabea 11:27 AM 11-26-2011
Great!! I am happy to hear that when viewing a TRUE native 3D movie the experience is much better that first thought (when you experimented on the 2D>3D feature). How much, if any, ghosting/anomalies did you notice?

thanks
atabea

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I finally watched a 3D movie last night.
Got hold of a copy of Pirates of the Caribbean/ On Stranger Tides

Being a relative newbie when it comes to 3D being my first 3D projector, I was quite impressed with the 3D effect.

There were no issues with the picture quality once your eyes got used to the 3D effect.

Haven't had much time to mess around with the display settings.

I did notice the fan noise (projector is temporarily on a stand just behind my head) when the bulb was by default set on high mode during 3D picture profile.
When I changed the fan to 'normal' it was totally quiet although the picture was predictably a little darker but still usable.

Overall, I am very pleased with the X30!
Now I just have to go out and pick up more 3D movies LOL!


DavidM5's Avatar DavidM5 11:38 AM 11-26-2011
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Great!! I am happy to hear that when viewing a TRUE native 3D movie the experience is much better that first thought (when you experimented on the 2D>3D feature). How much, if any, ghosting/anomalies did you notice?

thanks
atabea

I did not experience any ghosting/anomalies!

Other than the very slight dimming of the image, there was not much distracting that took away the movie experience.
ripley161's Avatar ripley161 12:22 PM 11-26-2011
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Any testing with the lens memory?

Yes had a go works fine from what I saw today. Set it to the size you want and then store it as any name you want . simple
Axel's Avatar Axel 12:43 PM 11-26-2011
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Yes had a go works fine from what I saw today. Set it to the size you want and then store it as any name you want . simple


ripley;

I was wondering if you could tell me if the 4-way masking settings are also part of the lens memory presets.
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Axel
SJHT's Avatar SJHT 01:31 PM 11-26-2011
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Can I just change the title of the thread to 'owner's thread'?

Can't avs just change the name?
atabea's Avatar atabea 02:22 PM 11-26-2011
Thanks DavidM5, that's very encourageing!! Can't wait to have mine all set up. Don't forget to keep us updated as you acquire more 3D movies. BTW, since you are a fellow Canadian in Toronto, if you are looking for great pricing on 3D titles, you should check out the Pickering flea market. There is a dealer who has unbeatable prices on most 3D Blu Ray.

Cheers

atabea

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I did not experience any ghosting/anomalies!

Other than the very slight dimming of the image, there was not much distracting that took away the movie experience.


Toe's Avatar Toe 03:11 PM 11-26-2011
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Originally Posted by atabea View Post

Great!! I am happy to hear that when viewing a TRUE native 3D movie the experience is much better that first thought (when you experimented on the 2D>3D feature). How much, if any, ghosting/anomalies did you notice?

thanks
atabea

Dont get to excited over 1 movie not showing much ghosting. Ghosting can vary wildly from one title to the next depending on how that particular title challenges the projector. Throw in something like Dinosaurs Giants of Patagonia and lets see what kind of ghosting we get.
AV Science Sales 5's Avatar AV Science Sales 5 03:59 PM 11-26-2011
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Can I just change the title of the thread to 'owner's thread'?

When you edit the first post, hit advanced and you can then change the title of the thread.
DavidM5's Avatar DavidM5 04:08 PM 11-26-2011
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When you edit the first post, hit advanced and you can then change the title of the thread.

Thanks Mike!
Consider it done!

David
DavidM5's Avatar DavidM5 04:11 PM 11-26-2011
I know this is slightly off topic but what are the top 10 3D blurays I should go out and pick up?

I am looking for blurays which have outstanding 3d 'effects'.
fight4yu's Avatar fight4yu 04:42 PM 11-26-2011
in the Sony thread, there is one that looks really good called "A Turtle's Tale: Sammy's Adventure". You can find it in Amazon UK site for about 10 pounds, so about $20 US shipped.
Otherwise, Avatar 3D (although it is not sold separately), Cars 2 and Toy Story 3.
fight4yu's Avatar fight4yu 04:43 PM 11-26-2011
I have asked this in the RS55 thread, but I am trying to pre-setup my harmony remote.. but I can't find RS45/55/65 or X30/70/90 in the database. Do they use the same remote code as in 40/50/60 (X3/X7/X9)??
xb1032's Avatar xb1032 06:14 PM 11-26-2011
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I know this is slightly off topic but what are the top 10 3D blurays I should go out and pick up?

I am looking for blurays which have outstanding 3d 'effects'.

From a price standpoint Rio got very good reviews. Not sure if the movie is worth watching but at 17.99 on Amazon and BB it's not a bad choice.

David,

When you watch the projector in 3D do you have to watch it with the lamp in High mode or can it be watched in normal mode? Just curious since I have a Dalite HP screen and I typically watch everything on normal mode on my RS2 clone now.
stef2's Avatar stef2 06:56 PM 11-26-2011
I have read every post in this thread so far and there was a lot of talk about street price...I live in Canada, and the information was useful. Since when does AVS forum allow street price discussion? I wouldnt want such an interesting thread to get closed...

The lens memory feature I really want. I wonder how accurate it is. on the sony VW95 it seems to be very approximate, to say the least.
kutlow's Avatar kutlow 07:09 PM 11-26-2011
DID WE JUST HEAR THAT 3d STILL TAKES 30 MINUTES OF BULB WARMING UP?? Looks like the RS45 IS A REBADGED rs40. Ill wait for a full calibration from a few of you guys before I jump on the Sony bandwagon.
space2001's Avatar space2001 07:12 PM 11-26-2011
And let's also wait till after 400 hours to see if the ghosting is bad

Too many variables
42Plasmaman's Avatar 42Plasmaman 07:26 PM 11-26-2011
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And let's also wait till after 400 hours to see if the ghosting is bad

Too many variables

And if bulb dimming and bulb explosions occur at around <500 hours.
I feel like a kid running up to the ice cream truck with a fist full of cash only to find that the ice cream has melted but the man claims it still tastes the same.
kutlow's Avatar kutlow 08:50 PM 11-26-2011
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And if bulb dimming and bulb explosions occur at around <500 hours.
I feel like a kid running up to the ice cream truck with a fist full of cash only to find that the ice cream has melted but the man claims it still tastes the same.

like finding out your g/f stuffs her bra.
Smackrabbit's Avatar Smackrabbit 09:17 PM 11-26-2011
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DID WE JUST HEAR THAT 3d STILL TAKES 30 MINUTES OF BULB WARMING UP?? Looks like the RS45 IS A REBADGED rs40. Ill wait for a full calibration from a few of you guys before I jump on the Sony bandwagon.

Please only use the term rebadged if that is actually what it is. Since the RS45 adds lens memory among other features, it is not a rebadge of the RS40. If you want to say it sounds like a tweaked RS40, then that's fine. I'm just sick of the term rebadged being thrown around by people that don't seem to understand what it means.
ripley161's Avatar ripley161 12:52 AM 11-27-2011
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ripley;

I was wondering if you could tell me if the 4-way masking settings are also part of the lens memory presets.
____
Axel

Well it wasnt showing in the memory menu and there was no option to do so on setting memory
ripley161's Avatar ripley161 12:54 AM 11-27-2011
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Dont get to excited over 1 movie not showing much ghosting. Ghosting can vary wildly from one title to the next depending on how that particular title challenges the projector. Throw in something like Dinosaurs Giants of Patagonia and lets see what kind of ghosting we get.

Correct ghosting is still there but like I said earlier it doesnt look as bad on the x30 vs the x3.
ripley161's Avatar ripley161 12:57 AM 11-27-2011
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I know this is slightly off topic but what are the top 10 3D blurays I should go out and pick up?

I am looking for blurays which have outstanding 3d 'effects'.

A Turtle's Tale is what I have been testing minor ghosying on some scenes but also eye popping underwater scenes that will have you trying to touch the fish !!
ripley161's Avatar ripley161 01:00 AM 11-27-2011
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DID WE JUST HEAR THAT 3d STILL TAKES 30 MINUTES OF BULB WARMING UP?? Looks like the RS45 IS A REBADGED rs40. Ill wait for a full calibration from a few of you guys before I jump on the Sony bandwagon.

Yes correct, from what I have tested. You certainly cant just pop a 3d movie in and watch straight away.
Joesyah's Avatar Joesyah 01:51 AM 11-27-2011
Anyone noticed this contrast and lumen table has been updated from homecinema-fr.com?
It shows the x30/RS45 clocking in around 64,900:1 and brightness at D65 eco mode at 930 lumens, D65 on high lamp at 1370 lumens! If this is true..WOW it surpasses the RS40 by quite a bit in contrast and brightness.
That's more than double the contrast from last year's model. The x70 more than doubled its contrast as well.



http://translate.googleusercontent.c...hcasov0tKsjj3Q
blee0120's Avatar blee0120 02:09 AM 11-27-2011
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Anyone noticed this contrast and lumen table has been updated from homecinema-fr.com?
It shows the x30/RS45 clocking in around 64,900:1 and brightness at D65 eco mode at 930 lumens, D65 on high lamp at 1370 lumens! If this is true..WOW it surpasses the RS40 by quite a bit in contrast and brightness.
That's more than double the contrast from last year's model. The x70 more than doubled its contrast as well.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhomecinema-fr.com%2BJVC%2Bx30%2Breview%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-USfficial%26biw%3D1899%26bih%3D841%26prmd%3Dimvnsfd&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=fr&u=http://www.homecinema-fr.com/Colorimetre/images_forum/Mlill/mesures-luxmetre/mesures-projecteurs.xls&usg=ALkJrhj5O1pwup-O3mxBhcasov0tKsjj3Q

RS45 is really bright
fight4yu's Avatar fight4yu 02:35 AM 11-27-2011
Now my question is:

In short/normal/iris-closed condition:
X30 - ?? lumens and 57300:1 contrast
X70 - 240 lumens and 61300:1 contrast

website does not specify lumens for X30 in this condition.. but given the irs-open for X30 is at 910 lumens (compared to 640 lumens in X70), I can safely assume X30 is at least 40% bright than X70. .giving it about 340 lumens.
The contrast ratio between 57k and 61k is negligible as measurement error can easily sway one to another. However, lumens usually is a lot more accurate.. so 40% more lumens at almost the same contrast ratio at half the price?? What gives??
Now X70 do have e-shift so there is probably some advantage. Assuming I have a Lumagen, then maybe the CMS in X70 is not that important to me. Should I go for RS45 instead??? Hmm...
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