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I thought I read on the JVC website or a review that the eshift works only when its sent an HD signal? Or will the projector take a lower resolution signal, say 480i/p, upscale it to 1080p, then output it using the eshift technology? I suspect the latter.....

eshift is on for all resolutions.
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I thought I read on the JVC website or a review that the eshift works only when its sent an HD signal? Or will the projector take a lower resolution signal, say 480i/p, upscale it to 1080p, then output it using the eshift technology? I suspect the latter.....

To activate the eshift, it must be sent a 1080p signal to upscale the image. For instance, if you are using eshift for HD cable, the receiver or VP must upscale the 720p/1080i signal to 1080p for eshift to be activated.
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To activate the eshift, it must be sent a 1080p signal to upscale the image. For instance, if you are using eshift for HD cable, the receiver or VP must upscale the 720p/1080i signal to 1080p for eshift to be activated.

Thanks, thats what I heard. JVC doesnt do a good job of explaining

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Thanks, thats what I heard. JVC doesnt do a good job of explaining

It had to be explained to me too
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Got my RS65 today.
I was not expecting it to be that noticable of an improvement in contrast over my RS35 (100 hours on it ) - The RS65 is a significant jump IMO. FYI: Screen is 120" 16:9 Silverstar. 136" wide scope, HiPower or DNP 23, will be ordered.

I turned off e-Shift and set my zoom, shift, focus and was impressed at how sharp the image was. Pixels were really square, and actually quite visable IMO in relation to my RS35. E-Shift on and pixels are gone ! Convergence is quite good, with 1 panel being maybe 1/4 pixel off vertically

Watched "Live Free or Die Hard" Blu-Ray tonight and occasionally jumped from Film, Natural, THX presets. Also jumped from MPC 2 & 3 settings. I prefered 3 for tonight's viewing, but could see that others would prefer the slightly smoother presentation of 2, depending on content.

Chromapure/DVDO-Duo bundle has also has been ordered.

Only negative is I have a stuck blue pixel in the upper mid viewing area.
It is not visible during playback. Pressing the Hide button and you can see it.
E-Shfit on makes it much less noticable too.
Though I will talk to my dealer tomorrow about it.
With the additional $4K MSRP uplift of RS65 over RS55, one would expect the "hand-picked" parts process not to have picked a panel with a stuck pixel !

I was not expecting the image to be that good, and am VERY happy with my decision to move up the RS65 now vs later. I'm hoping to get a happy 3 years out of it before considering another PJ move.

The other added bonus tonight was the first listen to my pair of Seaton Submersive-HP - another grin inducer !

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Congrats on the purchase Andy! You're making it very hard for the rest of us trying to decide between the RS45 & RS55.

Which end of the throw are you using? Are you staying towards the long end to maximize contrast?

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Image noise update:

After many days of testing and evaluation I have the following things to report from my RS-65U:

- There's an incredible amount of noise in gray ramps and color bars. Even with only the power cable plugged in, the noise is visible and distracting in the service menu test patterns.

- The problem persist even with normal lamp mode and iris full closed.

- The noise is reduced when all sources are connected to the projector. If DNR if applied at the source (Blu Ray player), the noised is reduced but the image lacks depth and realism.

- The noise affect normal playback in bright, mid-bright scenes. For me is really uncomfortable because I'm used to a clean image. I would guess this is a dithering issue or something bad with bulb.

- The noise is not visible during dark scenes.

Anyone else see the same thing on test patterns?

Please reply
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I had a close look at onboard patterns high/low lamp all i could see is my screens 1.2 gain spots no noise apparant sharpness 10 NR off.

Ask your dealer or go look at another 1.
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Got my RS65 today.
I was not expecting it to be that noticable of an improvement in contrast over my RS35 (100 hours on it ) - The RS65 is a significant jump IMO. FYI: Screen is 120" 16:9 Silverstar. 136" wide scope, HiPower or DNP 23, will be ordered.

I turned off e-Shift and set my zoom, shift, focus and was impressed at how sharp the image was. Pixels were really square, and actually quite visable IMO in relation to my RS35. E-Shift on and pixels are gone ! Convergence is quite good, with 1 panel being maybe 1/4 pixel off vertically

Watched "Live Free or Die Hard" Blu-Ray tonight and occasionally jumped from Film, Natural, THX presets. Also jumped from MPC 2 & 3 settings. I prefered 3 for tonight's viewing, but could see that others would prefer the slightly smoother presentation of 2, depending on content.

Chromapure/DVDO-Duo bundle has also has been ordered.

Only negative is I have a stuck blue pixel in the upper mid viewing area.
It is not visible during playback. Pressing the Hide button and you can see it.
E-Shfit on makes it much less noticable too.
Though I will talk to my dealer tomorrow about it.
With the additional $4K MSRP uplift of RS65 over RS55, one would expect the "hand-picked" parts process not to have picked a panel with a stuck pixel !

I was not expecting the image to be that good, and am VERY happy with my decision to move up the RS65 now vs later. I'm hoping to get a happy 3 years out of it before considering another PJ move.

The other added bonus tonight was the first listen to my pair of Seaton Submersive-HP - another grin inducer !

- Andy

Any particular reason why you turned off e-shift before setting zoom, shift and focus?

One issue I am having is that for the first 75 hours the picture in normal mode was extremely bright which was good, but now I've noticed that it really dimmed a lot and I need to turn on high lamp mode and its still not what it was out of the box. Could be something wrong with the bulb because I've never seen such an adjustment.

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My lens front is 18 ft ( 216" ) from my 104" wide screen. PJ is currently shelf-mount at back of room. It will be 20 ft from the screen once I mount the PJ behind the wall and shoot through a port-hole.

I turned e-Shift off at the beginning as I wanted to get a good subjective opinion against my RS-35 that departed a couple days previously.

E-Shift OFF will let you see the exact pixel definition, e-Shift ON does not. So it is much easier to evaluate convergence & focus when you are trying to dial-in nicely defined square pixels.

Also, against my RS-35 with 100 hours on it's original lamp, I would say the RS65 out of the box is NOT a bright. I would guess it to be 3 aperture stops difference. I was expecting the RS65 to be brighter than thr outgoing RS35.

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Time to invest in a light meter. My lamp dimmed 35% in the first 200 odd hours my dealer sorted me out but JVC quarantee the lamps for 1000 hours or 1yr.

Will measure every 100 now when new this lamp was 171/290 lux low/high lamp.
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My lens front is 18 ft ( 216" ) from my 104" wide screen. PJ is currently shelf-mount at back of room. It will be 20 ft from the screen once I mount the PJ behind the wall and shoot through a port-hole.

I turned e-Shift off at the beginning as I wanted to get a good subjective opinion against my RS-35 that departed a couple days previously.

E-Shift OFF will let you see the exact pixel definition, e-Shift ON does not. So it is much easier to evaluate convergence & focus when you are trying to dial-in nicely defined square pixels.

Also, against my RS-35 with 100 hours on it's original lamp, I would say the RS65 out of the box is NOT a bright. I would guess it to be 3 aperture stops difference. I was expecting the RS65 to be brighter than thr outgoing RS35.

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I had the Hd990 (same as RS35) and the 65 was much brighter up until yesterday

I drive myself crazy over the focus. I'm never sure if I got it perfect or slightly off in one direction or the other. I'll turn e-shift off and dial it in again. Any tips you recommend on getting it just right?

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Good to see you are impressed with your investment in the new JVC projector, Andy.

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Got my RS65 today.
I was not expecting it to be that noticable of an improvement in contrast over my RS35 (100 hours on it ) - The RS65 is a significant jump IMO.

- Andy

I was the same. I wasn't sure what to expect in terms of an image quality difference from my RS20, but the increase in contrast and "pop" on my RS55 really took me by surprise.
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My lens front is 18 ft ( 216" ) from my 104" wide screen. PJ is currently shelf-mount at back of room. It will be 20 ft from the screen once I mount the PJ behind the wall and shoot through a port-hole.

Thanks! So you're about in the middle of the approx 11-24 foot throw for your screen. Glad to hear you still like it. I imagine you'll like it ever more once you get it a bit farther back...

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I drive myself crazy over the focus. I'm never sure if I got it perfect or slightly off in one direction or the other. I'll turn e-shift off and dial it in again. Any tips you recommend on getting it just right?

Reposting to see if anyone can help. Also, how are people setting the CMD for movies, HD sports, HD prime time programming, etc? I'm using the default 3, and tried some of the others. 1 and 2 which is a different process gave me a much darker image, so have just been switching back between 3 and 4.

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I leave CMD off -> I am not a fan of frame interpolation and resulting "soap opera effect".
MPC is the e-Shift sharpness control. I like either 2 or 3 depending on content. Sometimes 3 adds too much grain if the scene is already grainy.

But those are MY LIKINGS. Some may hate image grain and want less sharpening. Some like frame interpolation, I dont, but sometimes don't mind it for animated movies. Just like I have no use for 3D, others love 3D. So whatever floats your boat - no right or wrong.

For dialing in the focus, what is the big deal ?
You have only zoom-in and zoom-out ... like evey other projector.
Though as mentioned earlier, I suggest to turn e-Shift off and set your focus to the best you can get.
You want as sharply defined pixel squares as possible.
Leaving e-Shift on won't let you see perfectly square pixels.

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I was told by JVC that eshift is only engaged when its sent a 1080p signal so should be no impact when using the test screens to set focus (according to their engineer anyway).

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Most are using JVCs built-in test screens which WILL keep e-shift on when adjusting focus and convergence etc. Therefore, I do recommend turning e-shift off before setting focus particularly. It is almost impossible to set focus with e-shift on as you have nothing hard-edged to focus on!
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I had a stuck blue pixel on my first RS65 - my replacement arrived yesterday.

I swear this RS65 is brighter than my first one, which left me with 5 hours on it.
I watched Casino Royale and had to dial the iris down to -6, whereas on my first one I had the iris at -4 or -2 out of the box.

The convergence on this isn't as good as the first one either, with more fringing near the right edge. I was fooling with the Zone small pixel adjustment last night just to get a feel for how it works over a few problem areas. Pretty powerful stuff IMO. However reading JonStatt's earlier comments on zone convergence, I'll be carefull not to overdue it. It's tough to leave stuff alone when you can see it up close, but not from the seat !

It still is an awesome image out of the box !

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Can someone here explain to me 2 things?

1. How do you turn off E Shift? I have an X70 but I presume its the same process as X90.

2. What gives you a brighter image:
A: Projector 4m from screen, zoomed in all the way to fill 130" screen
B: Projectpr 5m from screen, zoomed in a bit less to fill 130" screen.

Cheers!

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1. Go into Service Menu
Up, Down, Left, Right, Enter
Turn MPC off

2. Contrast will be better at longer throw
( so I have always been told/read on a JVC projector )

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I used to have a RS35 and had a Schneider Cine Digitar anamorphic lens. It worked great.

I am now confused by the specs on the RS65 which I plan on getting shortly. I am told that you can get the 2:35:1 image ratio without the anamorphic lens but that you have to do this through the zoom feature. I am also told that if you use the zoom feature to get 2.35:1 the picture is not as good as if you use an anamorphic lens.

Can anyone please shed some light on this.

Very much appreciated.

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I used to have a RS35 and had a Schneider Cine Digitar anamorphic lens. It worked great.

I am now confused by the specs on the RS65 which I plan on getting shortly. I am told that you can get the 2:35:1 image ratio without the anamorphic lens but that you have to do this through the zoom feature. I am also told that if you use the zoom feature to get 2.35:1 the picture is not as good as if you use an anamorphic lens.

Can anyone please shed some light on this.

Very much appreciated.

Matthew

I have been asking the same in the other thread and after some good advice from HogPilot (who owns the RS55 + ISCO 3 Loves the combo) he recommends trying an A-Lens and see for yourself (Prismasonic gives a 2 week grace period).

Without seeing 1 in action so to speak the Zoomed RS65 235:1/117" wide Max zoom 13`7" throw i use now looks bright 208 Lux/sharp/6million e-shifted pixels/34000:1 on/off.
if i added an A-Lens the numbers would be roundabout 50 Lux brighter 25%/no overspill/mid zoom so greater contrast 38000 on/off /less sharp maybe/2 million more pixel fill.

It sure looks on paper you don`t get much for the outlay. 50 Lux/4000 on/off-/2 million more pixel fill (this could be the main visual reason to install an A-Lens) /sharpness may suffer.

Screen 117x50=41 Sqft Lamp 106 hours old.
Projector Lumens = (lux*SqFt)/10.76 208*41=8528/10.76=793 Lumens * 1.2gain = 951 Screen Lumens

Calculate for 258 Lux = 1179 Screen Lumens vs 951

With A-lens i would gain 230 screen Lumens 1179 Lumens 3m screen. 35 footlamberts NOT calibrated
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I used to have a RS35 and had a Schneider Cine Digitar anamorphic lens. It worked great.

I am now confused by the specs on the RS65 which I plan on getting shortly. I am told that you can get the 2:35:1 image ratio without the anamorphic lens but that you have to do this through the zoom feature. I am also told that if you use the zoom feature to get 2.35:1 the picture is not as good as if you use an anamorphic lens.

Can anyone please shed some light on this.

Very much appreciated.

Matthew

I'm using a Schneider M lens with my RS65, I still prefer the image and all the benefits it adds rather than zooming. I have tested the auto zoom but still the image from the A lens looks better to my eyes!
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There seem to be be 2 updates available. Both can be found though the Software update link on the JVC site :

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/f...l_id=MDL102123

As mentioned in an earlier post, one is for RS65 projectors with serial number between 0 and 100. [Required for RS55s with SNs 0-150] It was issued on 11/29/11 and has to be installed with a RS-232 cable.

The newest was released 3/16/12 and updates firmware/software for all RS65s to version 28.056. It is installed using the ethernet connection. You need to know your existing software version to get the update.

It would be delightful if JVC would let registered users know about updates.

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I haven't been successful using the LAN connection to update the software from 25.051 to 28.056. I keep getting an error message. I spoke to 2 different engineers at JVC pro customer service in CA and they were no help. The last one told me that the RS65 has an issue with the Windows 7 operating system and told me to use an older laptop. I live near their HQ in NJ and they are much better to deal with so will reach out to them.

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Got my RS65 today.

Only negative is I have a stuck blue pixel in the upper mid viewing area.
It is not visible during playback. Pressing the Hide button and you can see it.
E-Shfit on makes it much less noticable too.

- Andy

Didn't know pressing the Hide button would reveal stuck pixel(s). How does Hide button work (to be able to see stuck pixel)?
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Hide Button makes the screen black -> meaning projects black
Pretty easy to see if you have a stuck pixel.
I had a lone blue dot visible.
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New issue (April) of Widescreen Review has RS65 equipment review by Doug Blackburn.

Only surprise to me was he really likes using the 242 point fine convergence alignment feature. He used it even though convergence was only off by a quarter of a pixel. He highly recommends that all owners, installers, calibrators take time to correct even small misalignments using this feature.
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New issue (April) of Widescreen Review has RS65 equipment review by Doug Blackburn.

Only surprise to me was he really likes using the 242 point fine convergence alignment feature. He used it even though convergence was only off by a quarter of a pixel. He highly recommends that all owners, installers, calibrators take time to correct even small misalignments using this feature.

I wouldn't use that feature if convergence was off by a quarter of a pixel. I would leave it as is. I don't see how the alignment feature would not negatively affect the picture.
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