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Can someone who has firmware 1.3 post pics of all the service menu pages so I can see the difference between firmware 1.3 and my current firmware 1.0

Here are my pictures of the service menu on my w7000. I had the settings on user1 with Art from projectorreview.com settings.
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Here are my pictures of the service menu on my w7000. I had the settings on user1 with Art from projectorreview.com settings.

Here are 7,8,9
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Can someone test to confirm if the problem is firmware 1.03 bug. ?

When (while playing) unplug the cable from the hdmi 1 and plug it again, i have "no signal".
If i plug the cable to hdmi2, I have picture again, but if i plug in again to hdmi 1, I have no signal again.
Must turn off/on the benq to see picture again with hdmi 1 .

automatic detection of the signal or manual change from menu (hdmi 1/hdmi2,hdmi1) not solve the problem.
Before firmware update functioned flawlessly.

had to change source, from the htpc to tv tuner. and when i removed the hdmi cable from the pc and plugged the tv tuner, i discovered the problem.
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I hope someone will learn to take advantage of the service menu to get the best picture with least RBE.
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I just received my replacement W7000 with 1.03. During my lunch hour (working today), I quickly installed the projector to my Chief and centered everything, left my A-lens out of the way and focused as best as possible. I then put on AVS HD pattern to see if I could get the same level of pixel definition as Zombie in his post # 941 but to my eyes when I look up close, i still cannot see the pixel definition. In fact, the center pixel looks a bit "broken up" in terms of fringing .. a bit out of focus (Sorry I don't have a picture. I had limited time during my lunch hour). Now, that being said, when I did a quick demo of Star Wars Ep IV ANH it looked pretty sharp to me. The Oppo 93 splash screen also looked sharper.

Not sure if I maybe fumbled the install or focus. My projector is about 17 ft back and it's hard for me to know if my focus is perfect. I'm also using a lot of the vertical lens shift so maybe that has something to do with it? So my question to everyone with 1.03 - are you seeing the same level of pixel definition as Zombie ? And if you are, any of you guys using max lens shift?

If after I double check my install & focus and the results are still the same I'm still reluctant to send back the W7000 again. This is my third projector. I'm hoping it's my issue.
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turn the lamp on low when you run the test. In those photos, I am also shutting the camera's iris down a bit since the small white points against a black background will flair on any digital camera.

can you post a photo once your certain that it's focused?
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Can someone who has firmware 1.3 post pics of all the service menu pages so I can see the difference between firmware 1.3 and my current firmware 1.0

Here are the 9 settings in cinema mode with the original factory settings.
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Here are the 9 settings in cinema mode with the original factory settings.

Here is 7,8,9
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So there is some differences between user 1/cinema mode.

user1 mode:

cw sequence=0
lamp waveform=4
gamma =5

cinema mode :

cw sequence=1
lamp waveform=3
gamma=9

When im trying wheel speed at 3x (cinema mode) the lamp waveform and sequence values changing, and the menu can not accept the original values.

Im trying to use the user 1 mode values, but every time i restart the benq, wheel speed and the rest values return to original.

Maybe is not correct to use the user 1 values in cinema mode (wrong colors ?) but at least with 3x rbe disappears.

Why the service menu can not save changes. ?

Maybe the cinema mode is locked. I will try again to change speed wheel at user 1 mode.

Ι would prefer to change the wheel speed in cinema, because i guess the colors and gamma will be better regulated.

But again maybe does not really matter , since I intend to do a calibration soon.


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I tried store the new values (speed wheel, swquence, waveform) at user 1 mode, bot nothing. Benq restore the original values.
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Does the W7000 have automatic lenses shift or is it manual? Also does it have a zoom feature to fit screen size of 2:35:1? I have been debating on the Epson 5010 the Panasonic 7000 or the benq W7000 no really sure what to do. Most time will be used for 2D viewing but 3D I think is a bonus. I've only seen 3D movies at the theaters. But wanting it at home is a must for me. Any info would be appreciated. I also watch a lot of football and play a some fps games on Xbox 360.
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Can someone comment on the fps gaming on this projector as as far as input lag is concerned? I'm assuming the hdmi blur issue has already been fixed and I'm also considering the h9500.
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Can someone comment on the fps gaming on this projector as as far as input lag is concerned? I'm assuming the hdmi blur issue has already been fixed and I'm also considering the h9500.

Click on the link in my signature, I have the lag times measured for a number of the current models including the W7000.

The hdmi blur issue is definitely resolved and it's good to see this projector as it should look. It's not likely Acer is going to fix the issue based on the experience of some of the current owners.
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I tried store the new values (speed wheel, swquence, waveform) at user 1 mode, bot nothing. Benq restore the original values.

There must be a command to save service menu changes. Maybe ask W6000 owners?
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Does the W7000 have automatic lenses shift or is it manual? Also does it have a zoom feature to fit screen size of 2:35:1? I have been debating on the Epson 5010 the Panasonic 7000 or the benq W7000 no really sure what to do. Most time will be used for 2D viewing but 3D I think is a bonus. I've only seen 3D movies at the theaters. But wanting it at home is a must for me. Any info would be appreciated. I also watch a lot of football and play a some fps games on Xbox 360.

The lens shift is manual - a joystick that is adjacent to the lens. If you max out the vertical, you have no horizontal lens shift.

The W7000 has zoom but it is manual and can't be saved into memory like the Panasonic 7000. See this.
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The lens shift is manual - a joystick that is adjacent to the lens. If you max out the vertical, you have no horizontal lens shift.

The W7000 has zoom but it is manual and can't be saved into memory like the Panasonic 7000. See this.

The 1.5:1 zoom lens is also short enough that using it for doing 1.78 to 2.35 is nearly impossible unless it is positioned perfectly. You almost need an anamorphic lens to do it right. It was close with my screen but not quite.

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turn the lamp on low when you run the test. In those photos, I am also shutting the camera's iris down a bit since the small white points against a black background will flair on any digital camera.

can you post a photo once your certain that it's focused?


I set my lamp to Economical, turned Sharpness to 0 and Detail enhancement to 0 within Clarity Control. No A-lens in front either. Below is the best focus I could achieve. I set my Canon 50D to manual mode, ISO 100, i forgot the shutter speed & aperture setting but it was such that the exposure was low and I also used a timer to eliminate my shaky hands. If I set the exposure higher, the white grid would flair as you said.

From center


Still can't see the pixels. I am wondering if I am somehow fumbling badly with the settings or perhaps not mounting it perfectly.

Afterwards, i demoed some movie clips - this time SW ep III as well as Kung Fu Panda 2 and from my memory, both presentations were clearly sharper than my previous W7000 and my W6000. I didn't even have time to perform greyscale calibration yet but the overall image was nice and sharp - really not that bad at all to my eyes. I think I will keep this unit but really wish I could understand my results vs yours.
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quack724, I can see you have an AT screen. What screen is this?
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quack724, I can see you have an AT screen. What screen is this?

Elix, I have a Seymour Centerstage XD 125" wide 2.37.
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Think it has something to do with the screen.
Try putting a piece of white paper on the screen and see if you can see the pixels.
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Click on the link in my signature, I have the lag times measured for a number of the current models including the W7000.

The hdmi blur issue is definitely resolved and it's good to see this projector as it should look. It's not likely Acer is going to fix the issue based on the experience of some of the current owners.

Thanks zombie10k. I saw your input lag results, but I also see some different results from projector reviews stating around 35 ms and then another one at projector central one stating 3 frames (~50ms).

I really wanted to hear from someone with the w7000 who plays some fps games, and can state the lag is not noticeable.

Thanks again.
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Those 'pro' sites started reporting lag times after I created the mini-shootout thread, since professional reviews were widely ignoring the gamers interesting in front projectors.

I am very confident of my readings which were done over a sample of at least 10 measurements and using a high speed shutter. It's also critical to use a quality CRT with an analog connection. I saw those #'s and questioned their technique and equipment.

With the updated firmware, I can verify the W7000 once again to be certain of my original findings.
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Ron - I'm curious to hear what you think after the firmware update.

Yes indeed it is one sharp sucker now with 1.03 and with a lens that puts up pretty well focussed pixels everywhere if the center is tack sharp. I can also play around with Cinema mode, warm or sometimes natural color settings.....only in the top basic settings and get colors that reasonably look similar to my calibrated RS50. 2.2 gamma seems the best for me as 2.4 seems to take even more shadow detail out.

Considering where I sit when by myself the top of my head is like 8" directly below the lens on my projectors' module that is dead center on 2.8 HP only 8.5' wide 16x9AR and as you can imagine very bright even on economy lamp setting.

But LMAO with their 50,000:1 on off with the iris engaged. Doesn't seem to ding the "blacks" much to turn it off, but I just leave it on. UMR got an honest 40,000:1 on my RS50 with same throw distance and well.....they are full of bleep.

Where this is going in my media room in the house it should be great with same size screen area out of coincidence, but an approx only 1.7 gain old formula Goo wall I did a real good job of rolling. And at 17' throw to it.
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Thanks zombie10k. I saw your input lag results, but I also see some different results from projector reviews stating around 35 ms and then another one at projector central one stating 3 frames (~50ms).

I really wanted to hear from someone with the w7000 who plays some fps games, and can state the lag is not noticeable.

Thanks again.

This is strictly anecdotal but, as a W6000 owner and a hardcore gamer, I can tell you that my experience with console shooters (Halo, Call of Duty, Killzone) and action-oriented RPG's (Skyrim, Fallout:New Vegas) were fantastic. My unit performed flawlessly. I never performed lag time measurements, but I can tell you that I never once encountered an issue, even during chaotic moments on-screen. From my perception, response time was immediate.

Frankly, my great experience with the W6000 is one of the many reasons I've decided to upgrade to the W7000. Also, once you've enjoyed the razor-sharp, punchy image of DLP, it's impossible (for me) to return to LCD or LCoS projection. Obviously, opinions vary, but that's my 2 copper.
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Thanks zombie10k. I saw your input lag results, but I also see some different results from projector reviews stating around 35 ms and then another one at projector central one stating 3 frames (~50ms).

I really wanted to hear from someone with the w7000 who plays some fps games, and can state the lag is not noticeable.

Thanks again.

It is around 50ms, the sites that reported less most likely had lag on the test monitor they used (probably an LCD), which makes it show 10-30+ ms less to the lag report. Zombie used a CRT, so his lag time is accurate.


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Yes indeed it is one sharp sucker now with 1.03 and with a lens that puts up pretty well focussed pixels everywhere if the center is tack sharp. I can also play around with Cinema mode, warm or sometimes natural color settings.....only in the top basic settings and get colors that reasonably look similar to my calibrated RS50. 2.2 gamma seems the best for me as 2.4 seems to take even more shadow detail out.

Considering where I sit when by myself the top of my head is like 8" directly below the lens on my projectors' module that is dead center on 2.8 HP only 8.5' wide 16x9AR and as you can imagine very bright even on economy lamp setting.

But LMAO with their 50,000:1 on off with the iris engaged. Doesn't seem to ding the "blacks" much to turn it off, but I just leave it on. UMR got an honest 40,000:1 on my RS50 with same throw distance and well.....they are full of bleep.

Where this is going in my media room in the house it should be great with same size screen area out of coincidence, but an approx only 1.7 gain old formula Goo wall I did a real good job of rolling. And at 17' throw to it.

sounds like the firmware upgrade was painless. It's good to hear it's nice and sharp, I'm glad BQ fixed the issue.

regarding the contrast, I waved that flag a number of times explaining that no one would mistake the W7000 for the JVC when watching dark sci-fi.

In all fairness though, the W7000 can easily out-muscle the JVC's (especially the RS50/RS60) for lumen output. 1500 @ D65 is fairly impressive. I can use the W7000 with the HP and a bunch of lights on in the room for watching TV, sports, F1 racing, etc.

+ the excellent 3D & HP friendly lens shift... that was my main interest in the W7000.

I should have the new BQ glasses later this week, i'll let you know how they are in comparison to the other models.
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It is around 50ms, the sites that reported less most likely had lag on the test monitor they used (probably an LCD), which makes it show 10-30+ ms less to the lag report. Zombie used a CRT, so his lag time is accurate.

Thanks coderguy. I wonder if that amount of lag time would be noticeable in a online fps such as call of duty series?

You would think the guys reviewing would report the input lag accurately, but I guess you just never know. Kinda disappointing they would take the time to post/blog about input lag and then get it wrong.
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Thanks coderguy. I wonder if that amount of lag time would be noticeable in a online fps such as call of duty series?

Kinda disappointing they would take the time to post/blog about input lag and then get it wrong.

I'm guessing only if you are a top 1000 world-wide gamer competing for some money.

Much of the information on review sites is useless and incorrect. They don't take their time to properly test the projectors (even though they try to make it sound like they spent 20+ hours with it). They don't because some are reviewing 5+ projectors at the same time during the busy season (fall), and no way do they have enough time to spend that much dedication on each one. They often get lens shift wrong too even though they claim to have measured it (how can you get it wrong if you measured it, easy because you didn't really measure you eye-balled it).


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With respect to lag times, it is likely that the input lag on the w6000 will be less than the w7000. With that said, the lag on the w7000 is still comparatively lower than the competition with the exception being the hw30 which has lower lag.
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The new style Ben Q glasses arrived today. They are very light and comfortable (I wear prescription glasses). The lenses look slightly larger than the ZD201's, I'll have to compare them side by side when I get home.

Overall very nice construction with an easy to access power button.

The real question is, are they going to perform the same as the ZD201's in regard to the ability to completely block the red flash from both lenses. Peter Gabriel's 3D concert is very easy to see this with since it's a relatively dark stage concert with a lot of dark areas of the screen.

let's find out tonight how they compare.

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The new style Ben Q glasses arrived today. They are very light and comfortable (I wear prescription glasses). The lenses look slightly larger than the ZD201's, I'll have to compare them side by side when I get home.

Overall very nice construction with an easy to access power button.

The real question is, are they going to perform the same as the ZD201's in regard to the ability to completely block the red flash from both lenses. Peter Gabriel's 3D concert is very easy to see this with since it's a relatively dark stage concert with a lot of dark areas of the screen.

let's find out tonight how they compare.


I decided to charge these now so they are ready to check out tonight. I noticed the instructions state 'Only use the including charging cable, other cables may damage the glasses'. It's not the typical microusb blackberry type charger, it looks like this:



These might be the lightest glasses in my collection. They weigh 38.5G or 1.3 ounces. The Sony glasses are 59G, ~ 2.1 ounces. The ZD201's are ~ 50G.

speaking of the ZD201's, they keep going down in price, almost the same price as the new BQ's. I'll know in 10 minutes tonight if these are as good as the 201's.
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