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This question has come up before and I can't remember if it's been answered:

Has anyone tried the Darbee with the Sharp Z30000?
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+1 on the glasses question.
Is the Sharp IR only? or will it also do DLP link?
How about other IR glasses. Will the Sharp work with the PlayStation 3 3D Glasses?
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Hi Z17000 owners.

Can you give your experience on 2D gaming input lag and how about 3D gaming (Console).

I have had 3D DLP projectors in the past and their upscaling of PS3 and Xbox games to 1080p resulted in very blurry images, loss of saturation... very muddy looking. Also the input lag is usually good in 2D, but in 3D gaming... they are awful. I assume this is because the "affordable" projectors have budget CPU's and can't process the image fast enough.

How is the z17000?
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Sounds like me, I have the Z17000 and PLV-Z2000 setup now off the 106" screen. The garage is a projector graveyard, a working Optoma H56 with new lamp, a working Sharp Z3000 new lamp and four down projectors I've swaped parts out of to make other working machines. Two sharp z2000's, another Optoma H56 and a Nec HT1000, used these for main boards, colorwheels, light chambers it's been fun making other projectors work again.

Got the 17000 going right now evaluating the Fifth Element blu ray. Everything looks great natural and colorful with high contrast pop.

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Couple of major online sellers have it now for $2100. I emailed Woot to see if they can get a deal going again on it. Will also email Groupon Goods and see if they can also. Would really like to snag a new one before I am in real need of one and only refurbs remain, although I have not had issues buying refurbs in the past if they are true refurbs from factory.

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Sharp glasses + lens cover. These are a great fit over prescription glasses. Nice size lenses so we don't see the frame in the field of view.

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I have a question about the lens cover.
It doesn't look like it retracts automatically...
Is it designed to be manually removed for use? Is there any loss of brightness with leaving it in place all the time?
What do people recommend doing with it?
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There are tabs to allow it to be removed manually, but it disables the lens shift function. Someone posted a workaround earlier (putting something in a tab to activate the sensor).

I don't see any brightness difference with it on vs. off. I was originally concerned it was affecting focus, but it wasn't. I would likely just leave it on.
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There are tabs to allow it to be removed manually, but it disables the lens shift function. Someone posted a workaround earlier (putting something in a tab to activate the sensor).

I don't see any brightness difference with it on vs. off. I was originally concerned it was affecting focus, but it wasn't. I would likely just leave it on.

Thanks for the clarification.
The lens shift is important. In fact, perhaps you can clarify conflicting reports on it.
With a cathedral ceiling mount, I need to have significant lens shift. Art at Projector Reviews told me that the Z30000 needed to be mounted with it's lens center inside of the top edge of the screen.
Another report said about 7 inches above the edge, on a 16 foot throw, would work. Can you confirm either?
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Art at Projector Reviews told me that the Z30000 needed to be mounted with it's lens center inside of the top edge of the screen.
I confirm that.
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If the 30000 can do 2D as well as the 17000 I have you're in for a surprise. Man this thing has blacks color and clarity galore. kinda reminds me when Sony first came out with their Trinitron TV. I had to have one, a new level of quality. enjoy your new toy. 3D is just a bonus feature. Hey you classic movie lovers have got to get Alfred Hitchcochs Dial M for Murder in 3D. It's done in a 1.85 wide fill and looks great.

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This question has come up before and I can't remember if it's been answered:

Has anyone tried the Darbee with the Sharp Z30000?

From the gist of things, it seems that there are now more Z30000 people out there...

Can anyone comment on use with a Darbee?
Also, not much has been written about the powered lens controls/memory feature. It's rare at this price point. Is anyone using it in a CIH set up?

New owners..."How do you feel about the warranty?" Ordinarily, three years would seem like good coverage. If Sharp is leaving the market, is it worth buying a third party extended warranty?
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I don't think that the Sharp has a lens memory feature. It does have motorized optics though. The only thing you need to be careful with a CIH setup is how large of a screen you'll be using if you want to zoom. Using an anamorphic lens would allow you to go larger though. As for the extended warranty goes, even if Sharp leaves the projector market as long as the company doesn't shut down they will honor the warranty.
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Seegs, yah it has lens memory, see below:

"Like several other projectors, including Panasonic and JVC, this Sharp XV-Z30000 can save your lens settings. In fact when you do a memory save with the Z30000, it saves lens settings, color mode, aspect ratio and much more.

As a result, I have the Sharp XV-Z30000 Memory 1 set for viewing 2.35:1 movie on my 2.35:1 aspect ratio Stewart screen, filling 124" diagonal. When I select Memory 1, the projector switches to Movie 1 mode with my settings. When I switch to Memory 2 (yes you can assign names to the memories), I've set that up for 16:9, Stage color mode, and filling the screen top to bottom (about 98" diagonal). In other words, Memory 1 for Movie viewing, Memory 2 for max brightness for sports viewing. Nice! "

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Oh, wow. I didn't realize that. Looks like they invested money into that as opposed to an FI system.
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Yup, could be the perfect PJ for some, but as Zombie noted the lens isn't as sharp as some of the other DLP's, but we all know we can't have our cake and eat it too, not in projectors anyhow.


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Definitely not in this price range. But the Sharp is very well rounded and most will be perfectly satisfied, especially if they haven't seen what a better lens can offer. What's that other cheesy saying? Ignorance is bliss. smile.gif
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Are you going to loan ZOMBIE one of your .95 DLP's so he can check it out?
I'll trade you for the Benq w7000 temporarily if you want, haha.

I just want to see one in my own home, I have seen them in the showrooms, but you know how that goes. I think I prefer the text on my RS-45 over my Benq w7000 (slightly), not sure why, just seems more natural. I'd like to see if those .95" DLP's can get that extra inch closer to an LCD monitor sharpness on a projector screen.

I used to barely ever do reading or heavy browsing with projectors, but with the JVC or Benq it's much easier on the eyes, though I'd like to see the next level myself.


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I just bought the sharpest single chip DLP out there. The Samsung SP-A900B. I keep getting lucky using eBay, biggrin.gif
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I'm going to have the following at my house at the same time once the Samsung arrives: the NuVision ProVu P2, Marantz VP-15S1, Planar PD8150, and the Samsung SP-A900B. I've gone DLP crazy tongue.gif

I'll snap a photo of them in a row once it arrives. It should be a very rare photo. I may need projector rehab after this.....
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I just bought the sharpest single chip DLP out there. The Samsung SP-A900B. I keep getting lucky using eBay, biggrin.gif

How much?
Let me guess, $500, hah.
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From the gist of things, it seems that there are now more Z30000 people out there...

Can anyone comment on use with a Darbee?
Also, not much has been written about the powered lens controls/memory feature. It's rare at this price point. Is anyone using it in a CIH set up?

New owners..."How do you feel about the warranty?" Ordinarily, three years would seem like good coverage. If Sharp is leaving the market, is it worth buying a third party extended warranty?

I tried the Darbee. While it's nice the effect is much more subtle compared to the 8500UB at 45% HD setting. I think the reason is due to Z30000 being sharper, higher pixel fill, and smoother.
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I tried the Darbee. While it's nice the effect is much more subtle compared to the 8500UB at 45% HD setting. I think the reason is due to Z30000 being sharper, higher pixel fill, and smoother.

Do you think it's a worthwhile upgrade?
Do you plan to keep it in the chain?
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I really want that calibration software. Built-in CMS controls are worthless. Color is the prime weakness of this projector, in my opinion. I wrote to Sharp HE Support and here's the answer I got:
"Thank you for contacting Sharp Electronics Corporation.
I recommend contacting a Customer Service Representative at our number, 1-888-467-4277, and by selecting Option #2. The representative will need to get more information to assist you better in determining what could be the problem."
Screw you, Sharp.
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I don't think there is any chance of getting access to that software.
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How does the color look compared to the others?
I mean the actual color we see isn't just about the 75% sat point or the gray-scale, so if the saturation tracking is as good or better than some others, then maybe it really isn't that bad.
The RS-45 (and RS-46?) for instance has the most inaccurate and weakest color of last year's higher-end projectors (well other than the Panny), and it has no CMS, which is irritating. That said, it's NOT that bad.

I wonder how the Sharp color is compared to the JVC, I bet the Sharp might beat it despite what a flat dE chart says, since the JVC's sat tracking combines with luminance errors to throw the image out of whack.
I think the weak point of the Sharp is the 3D lumens.


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green is off by a good amount, I was not able to pull it back in with the lumagen.

I mentioned this before, most people are not going to see the color errors. greyscale can be managed reasonably well with the built in controls. I have to look closer to see how the saturation tracks. The best projector i've seen so far in this regard is the HW50, it's nearly perfect.

3D lumens post calibrated is ~600. HW50 is ~800 and Epson is 1200+ with some miles on the lamp.
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That's cool, I think we both agree the 3D lumens is probably the weak point then and maybe the lens (but that will matter more for HTPC text than movies).


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How does the color look compared to the others?
I mean the actual color we see isn't just about the 75% sat point or the gray-scale, so if the saturation tracking is as good or better than some others, then maybe it really isn't that bad.
I will just leave this here...
White 21.696 ftL
Red 2.650 (21% - 4.55616)
Green 15.404 (71% - 15.40416)
Blue 1.73568 (8% - 1.735)
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Currently I have both the BenQ W1070 and the Sharp 30K in my theater. I have auto-calibrated both with Chromapure and a Lumagen.

My take:

In a blind test of 2D movie viewing, 3D movie viewing, or web surfing on a desktop, I am pretty sure no one could pick out which one was which unless they were looking for a specific memorized cue. They are that similar. Of course the obsessed on this forum could make an educated guess with a 50/50 chance of being correct short of specifically knowing what to look for. And, before anybody asks, I have not taken time to measure brightness. I am watching on a Seymour Centerstage 128" diagonal in a way less than perfect environment. While it is light controlled, I have white walls and ceiling (I am assured by my wife that in the new home build coming soon I can add whatever black treatment I choose).

Regarding focus on the Sharp; the machine I have has very good uniform edge to edge focus. Certainly not the optics of a much higher end projector, but it doesn't suck either.

Anyway, after going back and forth between the 2 projectors for the past 2 weeks for surfing, basketball, and 3D I actually prefer the BenQ. Still watching my JVC for awesome 2D. I hope the BenQ lasts a while before a failure of some sort, because really, the craftsmanship and build quality is crap. The Sharp on the other hand is well built and offers great mounting flexibility. FWIW, I will keep the Sharp for anamorphic 3D in the new theater build to compliment the 2D of the JVC; of course by that time there will be another new year model on the horizon.
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Currently I have both the BenQ W1070 and the Sharp 30K in my theater. I have auto-calibrated both with Chromapure and a Lumagen.

My take:

In a blind test of 2D movie viewing, 3D movie viewing, or web surfing on a desktop, I am pretty sure no one could pick out which one was which unless they were looking for a specific memorized cue. They are that similar. Of course the obsessed on this forum could make an educated guess with a 50/50 chance of being correct short of specifically knowing what to look for. And, before anybody asks, I have not taken time to measure brightness. I am watching on a Seymour Centerstage 128" diagonal in a way less than perfect environment. While it is light controlled, I have white walls and ceiling (I am assured by my wife that in the new home build coming soon I can add whatever black treatment I choose).

Regarding focus on the Sharp; the machine I have has very good uniform edge to edge focus. Certainly not the optics of a much higher end projector, but it doesn't suck either.

Anyway, after going back and forth between the 2 projectors for the past 2 weeks for surfing, basketball, and 3D I actually prefer the BenQ. Still watching my JVC for awesome 2D. I hope the BenQ lasts a while before a failure of some sort, because really, the craftsmanship and build quality is crap. The Sharp on the other hand is well built and offers great mounting flexibility. FWIW, I will keep the Sharp for anamorphic 3D in the new theater build to compliment the 2D of the JVC; of course by that time there will be another new year model on the horizon.

I'm willing to bet it will out last the others. lol
Though they look cheap. These little projectors(Benq) are built to be moved regularly and turned off and on more than the two strictly "home theater projectors".
Also less to go wrong with it, since it has less parts. I've went through several home theater projectors, my little Benq is still going strong.smile.gif
Thinking of buying a 3rd "home theater projector", my Benq isn't going any where.
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