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humbland's Avatar humbland 07:08 AM 05-15-2013
First of all, Zombie, you never cease to amaze me...
Thanks for the shop class. The pictures are a good start, but we may need a video how to guide.
How were you able to purchase just one or two lamps from China? Was shipping included in the $120?
Perhaps we can get a group buy going....

zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 07:50 AM 05-15-2013
Sharp 30K lamp replacement - as soon as I get a projector., I get a spare lamp right away. It's good to have a backup and helps with resale down the road. This isn't news, but the 30K wasn't exactly a popular projector. Finding a full replacement (lamp + housing) was harder than I thought. AVS is special ordering me one. I don't know how long these will be available in the future.

While waiting for the lamp, I decided to hunt down the original lamp module. I've always wanted to do this with the JVC, but finding the source was tough. Through a bunch of research, I found a company in China selling the original Phoenix lamp that is used in the Sharp 30k projectors. There are a number of knock-offs, but only found 1 company with the original lamp for sale. So I bought 2 to try out.

Here's some photos of the swap. The original lamp only has 15 hours, but wanted to run some tests on the replacement. This would have taken 10 minutes if I didn't stop for photos. The spring loaded door it a little tricky, but simple once you look at how it connects.

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Upon close inspection, it's clear these are truly identical lamps. I was skeptical at first, but this is the real deal.

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It's amazing the beating that small piece of metal takes for hours on end. No wonder they pop once in a while.

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back in action. D65 results are surprisingly close, it's good to see some consistency between 2 different copies of the same lamp. Once I have a few days to test it out, I'll let you guys know where I got them from.

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Now I can use this projector as much as I want since the replacement lamps were quite affordable @ ~$120

this concludes the lesson on 'Home Theater Shop Class'... biggrin.gif
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 07:58 AM 05-15-2013
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Originally Posted by humbland View Post

First of all, Zombie, you never cease to amaze me...
Thanks for the shop class. The pictures are a good start, but we may need a video how to guide.
How were you able to purchase just one or two lamps from China? Was shipping included in the $120?
Perhaps we can get a group buy going....

Hi, I moved the post to the new page so others can see.

It's very simple to do this swap, I can make a video for you guys. I did it again last night to test out replacement lamp #2 since the 90 day warranty starts when they ship the lamp.

Some companies will sell small quantities of the lamps, the trick is finding the supplier who is actually selling the real OEM lamp and not a knock off.

The shipping was going to be $23 for 1 or 2, so I decided to just order 2. It's great having extra, inexpensive lamps sitting around waiting to be used. I'll let you guys know where I got them from once I break them in for a few days just to make sure there aren't any surprises.

I watched a few hours with one of the new lamps, the PQ looks great. I was watching scenes from The Dark Knight Rises. They should have filmed this entire movie in 70MM, those scenes look amazing. Also checked out a bunch of 3D scenes as well which looked great.
Willie's Avatar Willie 09:36 AM 05-15-2013
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Perhaps we can get a group buy going....

I would buy 2 for sure.

Willie
Elix's Avatar Elix 10:22 AM 05-15-2013
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I was watching scenes from The Dark Knight Rises. They should have filmed this entire movie in 70MM, those scenes look amazing.
+1! I haven't seen more impressive video material. The image on those IMAX scenes is so clean and detailed. MTF of IMAX camera (sensor + lens) must be very high! Watching it on my 24" CRT monitor the difference in quality between IMAX scenes and 2.35:1 scenes are evident. Clear as day.
biliam1982's Avatar biliam1982 03:45 PM 05-15-2013
To anyone who got the last Woot deal, how long did it take you to get the projector?
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 04:00 PM 05-15-2013
I received it the same week I ordered it, it only took 3-4 days.
biliam1982's Avatar biliam1982 04:18 PM 05-15-2013
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I received it the same week I ordered it, it only took 3-4 days.

Sweet!

Do you still recommend the Sharp AN3DG20B 3D glasses as the best in video quality performance?
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 04:30 PM 05-15-2013
Definitely, these glasses are fantastic. I have 4, getting ready to order 2 more.

The Monster VIsion 3D glasses are a good runner up for those looking for an RF solution.
biliam1982's Avatar biliam1982 05:08 PM 05-15-2013
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Definitely, these glasses are fantastic. I have 4, getting ready to order 2 more.

The Monster VIsion 3D glasses are a good runner up for those looking for an RF solution.

Cool! It looks like from the pics on the Woot page that it comes with the Sharp AN3DG10S. Can anyone who got the deal verify that?

I see they now have another model, the Sharp AN3DG40. It says Bluetooth though. But isn't that also RF?
humbland's Avatar humbland 06:03 PM 05-15-2013
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Cool! It looks like from the pics on the Woot page that it comes with the Sharp AN3DG10S. Can anyone who got the deal verify that?

I see they now have another model, the Sharp AN3DG40. It says Bluetooth though. But isn't that also RF?

Our Woot purchase came with G10(s).
I got a G20 on Zombie's suggestion. If we watched more 3D I would probably get more, they are slightly more comfortable.
We got several of the Sony PS3 for kid's sleepover 3D movies. They work fine and cost <$20 each.

+1 on The Dark Knight Rises. Awesome video/audio combination. We watched it in Movie #1. With the HP screen it had plenty of brightness for a dark film. I thought it was a good picture to show off the DLP "pop".

I'm glad to see more people have pulled the trigger. We'll all have more to talk about.
After watching for a month now, it's still hard to believe that this PJ is $1800...I would be surprised if they can make them for that.smile.gif
tradewinds's Avatar tradewinds 09:07 PM 05-15-2013
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Thanks for the help. I'm looking at iRule right now and looks like I will do the trial version.

Don't forget this PJ is also CONTROL4® CERTIFIED. Perhaps it integrates through the LAN port.
Highjinx's Avatar Highjinx 09:22 PM 05-15-2013
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I wonder if you can just put a higher-wattage lamp of the same form-factor into the casing. And get 2000 lumens instead of 1000, for example.
I also wonder if you can get rid of the color wheel altogether and get high quality b&w projector without RBE and motion blur. smile.gif

Shouldn't be too hard for someone with the technical knowledge, to make an external box with twin globes and use a bundle of fiber optic cables to 'duct the light into the projector. Cool the fiber optics either by fans or liquid cooling. Mod the projector where needed.

Could be a interesting excercise with an old projector.
airscapes's Avatar airscapes 09:39 PM 05-15-2013
Just ordered one on woot.. Tripped the fraud flag at Discover since I used a card I never use online for the cash back.. but eventually after a few phone calls the purchase went through. Now for the buyer remorse till it gets here and I find out if I am happy with it.eek.gif
DaGamePimp's Avatar DaGamePimp 10:04 PM 05-15-2013
Will be interesting to read what you think of it post calibration Doug. wink.gif

Jason
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 10:42 PM 05-15-2013
He can always sell it and make a profit on ebay, folks are still buying these for a fair bit more than $1799. That just gave me an idea..cool.gif

how bad can it be upgrading from a Mits HC3000 720P? 3D is going to look killer on the 2.8 HP screen.
coderguy's Avatar coderguy 10:50 PM 05-15-2013
I re-painted and re-built my w7000 to look just like the Sharp, any takers?
DaGamePimp's Avatar DaGamePimp 12:07 AM 05-16-2013
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He can always sell it and make a profit on ebay, folks are still buying these for a fair bit more than $1799. That just gave me an idea..cool.gif

how bad can it be upgrading from a Mits HC3000 720P? 3D is going to look killer on the 2.8 HP screen.

Absolutely, accuracy possibly being the exception this will be a solid upgrade (I too owned an HC3000 for a couple years and it was a great PJ).

Jason
airscapes's Avatar airscapes 05:21 AM 05-16-2013
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Absolutely, accuracy possibly being the exception this will be a solid upgrade (I too owned an HC3000 for a couple years and it was a great PJ).

Jason

The HC3000 is not spot on but once white is right I don't notice the other errors.. Hopefully this won't be any different..
fpr's Avatar fpr 05:34 AM 05-16-2013
Does anyone know where to buy in Europe the Sharp 30K?

Thanks.
Charles R's Avatar Charles R 06:39 AM 05-16-2013
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He can always sell it and make a profit on ebay, folks are still buying these for a fair bit more than $1799. That just gave me an idea..cool.gif

 

I wouldn't quit the day job. Only two have sold in the last several months for $1,899 and $1,999 (new sealed). One opened for a whopping $1,600. With the associates fees (especially the new higher eBay rates) you are losing money. 


zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 07:20 AM 05-16-2013
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I wouldn't quit the day job. Only two have sold in the last several months for $1,899 and $1,999 (new sealed). One opened for a whopping $1,600. With the associates fees (especially the new higher eBay rates) you are losing money. 

I was half kidding but this seller did sell 10+ @ $2399. He recently lowered the price to $2299.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Sharp-XV-Z30000-DLP-Home-Theater-3D-Projector-with-2-FREE-3D-Glasses-HDMI-/360473140247?pt=US_Video_Projectors&hash=item53eddf9c17
larrimore's Avatar larrimore 07:41 AM 05-16-2013
OK, Now that the Woot deal is on again, I may have to go ahead and pick this up to compare to the Mitsubishi HC-5. Problem might be selling the one(s) I decide not to keep. I hate taking the time to sell things on Ebay.
Elix's Avatar Elix 08:01 AM 05-16-2013
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OK, I may have to go ahead and pick this up to compare to the Mitsubishi HC-5. Problem might be selling the one(s) I decide not to keep.
Don't bother, I just received my HC5 after owning Z30000 for a short time and today I'll be posting my impressions. I have almost no doubts as to who the winner will be. smile.gif
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 08:07 AM 05-16-2013
Are we talking about 2D or 3D? For 2D, i'd expect the HC5 to lead with better color and contrast and the 30k to clearly win in 3D for flicker free and crosstalk free 3D.
larrimore's Avatar larrimore 09:29 AM 05-16-2013
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Are we talking about 2D or 3D? For 2D, i'd expect the HC5 to lead with better color and contrast and the 30k to clearly win in 3D for flicker free and crosstalk free 3D.


I think the most important thing should always be 2D for a one projector solution. However, it is always about tradeoffs.


Zombie 10K, if you had to go to one projector today, would you keep your JVC or the Sharp (I think we know the answer, but maybe not)?
analogBalrog's Avatar analogBalrog 09:37 AM 05-16-2013
I went ahead and bought a Sharp Z30K last night on the killer Woot/Moofi deal. Excited! cool.gif

For all you gamers out there:

As a new Sharp owner, the only real concern I have with this projector is the gaming lag. I've been reading up on it and it appears to range between 50ms and 80ms, IIRC. I started thinking about my gaming habits and what games I love to play. I'm a big fan of Dark Souls on the Xbox 360 (the best game I've played in the last 10 years). I currently play it on a Pioneer Kuro 5020 and have enjoyed it like crazy. With Dark Souls 2 coming out this fall, well, this whole "lag issue" is important to me!

It occurred to me to see what the lag times on my current Kuro are. Afterall, I've been happy gaming on the Kuro for years and the word "lag" never entered my mind unless it was server-based. As it turns out, the Kuro has a tested and confirmed 50ms value in Movie mode (which I use exclusively).

Most of my fears on the Z30K washed away when I found this info on AVS. I think a lot of fuss is made out of gaming lag. I get it, there's people out there that lag would affect. My son, who plays COD games and can muster 50+ kills per match, has played countless hours on my Kuro and never once complained about lag. The kid measures his KDR like guys my age measure cholesterol, and the word "lag" never has been uttered.

If the Z30K has a lag between 50ms and 80ms, to me that's a net gain of potentially 30ms of lag, because 50ms feels like zero to me, and to my son too.

I read people say, "Oh, this PJ has 75ms of lag. This is entirely unacceptable for gaming. Horrendous. Etc." Sometimes it's good to put things in perspective. Especially when you consider that the PS4 and the new Xbox, both coming out this year, will possibly have games displayed at 60fps (the current gen is capped at 30fps).

There are those of us who love games (almost) as much as movies. After all, the gaming industry makes more money than the Film & Music industries combined. I bought the Z30K so that I could game when I want to and go scope on a 2.35 screen when I want to. To me, it's the best of both worlds.

If there are some of you like-minded gamers out there with and Xbox or PS3 hooked up to your Z30K, I'd love to hear what games you play and what your experience has been like.

Apparently, I can ramble on about this forever. rolleyes.gif
DaGamePimp's Avatar DaGamePimp 03:33 PM 05-16-2013
It's really too bad we can't have the best of both (2D & 3D) with a single pj solution (well at least not for a reasonable investment wink.gif).

I am a fan of DLP but I would think it's pretty much a given that the HC5 is superior on most 2D aspects other than possibly motion handling.

I wish I was more into 3D to make the choice easier but it's less than 10% of our viewing.

What really makes this choice tough (for me) is I generally prefer the look of DLP to other projection tech.

Hopefully the input lag is less on the HC5, like the HW30 & HW50 (?).

Jason
humbland's Avatar humbland 04:17 PM 05-16-2013
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It's really too bad we can't have the best of both (2D & 3D) with a single pj solution (well at least not for a reasonable investment wink.gif).

I am a fan of DLP but I would think it's pretty much a given that the HC5 is superior on most 2D aspects other than possibly motion handling.

I wish I was more into 3D to make the choice easier but it's less than 10% of our viewing.

What really makes this choice tough (for me) is I generally prefer the look of DLP to other projection tech.

Hopefully the input lag is less on the HC5, like the HW30 & HW50 (?).

Jason

Jason, I concur with your assessment.
One way that helps me to rationalize it is cost to benefit ratio. How much are you willing to pay to get the last 5% of 2D picture quality? Especially when the source material is so inconsistent.
When we watched the Dark Knight Rises the other night, I was marveling at how incredible it looked. Would I have enjoyed it any more on a JVC? I don't think so. If I saw the two projected images side by side, could I tell the difference? Probably.
Art at PR says the Sony W1000 4K PJ blows away anything he has seen. Are we willing to pay $25K for it? The Z30K delivers an amazing picture for $1800. The cost effective all in one solution is somewhere between these two extremes.
On top of it all, it sometimes seems that people around here change projectors every few months or so... If it's going to be a revolving door, then it's tough to pay $5K per pop.
As I've said, hopefully Sony gets it together and updates the W95ES and Woot sells it for 30% of MSRP. However, if that happens, then we won't have much to talk about (we'll probably all be watching movies). wink.gif
Willie's Avatar Willie 04:44 PM 05-16-2013
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Don't bother, I just received my HC5 after owning Z30000 for a short time and today I'll be posting my impressions. I have almost no doubts as to who the winner will be. smile.gif

FWIW for 3D pretty sure LCOS won't compete. Nobody is contending the 30K will be a better PJ for 2D, but you seem to like to dis it in spite of that. What is the point of you coming into this thread? To repeatedly criticize the 30K? Get over it.
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