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Very Interesting.
I realize that this is a subjective question, but was the 19% difference in brightness noticeable?
Up until about 500 hours, I had always watched TV and 2D Blu-rays in STAGE mode, ECO "on". Then, just for the hell of it, I switched the ECO mode to "off". I was quite surprised at the difference in brightness. I didn't realize until I took measurements with my light meter, that with ECO "off", brightness is doubled! Once I saw such a dramatic difference, I left ECO "off" for the last 200 hours.

After 30k #1 reached 700 hours, I switched back to 30k #2 (with only 60 hours on the replacement lamp) it was still setup with ECO "on". The picture seemed to be bright enough to my liking, so I kept it that way.

So I guess (at least in my case) a 19% decrease in brightness does seem to make a noticeable difference.

I've not put enough hours on any Sharp lamp yet to find out just how much they'll dim over time (perhaps Zombie can answer that) but I'll keep checking, and will post the results from time to time.

But even if after 2,000 hours or so, brightness was eventually reduced by 50% in ECO "on" mode, I could simply turn it "OFF" and immediately get a 50% boost.
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Up until about 500 hours, I had always watched TV and 2D Blu-rays in STAGE mode, ECO "on". Then, just for the hell of it, I switched the ECO mode to "off". I was quite surprised at the difference in brightness. I didn't realize until I took measurements with my light meter, that with ECO "off", brightness is doubled! Once I saw such a dramatic difference, I left ECO "off" for the last 200 hours.

After 30k #1 reached 700 hours, I switched back to 30k #2 (with only 60 hours on the replacement lamp) it was still setup with ECO "on". The picture seemed to be bright enough to my liking, so I kept it that way.

So I guess (at least in my case) a 19% decrease in brightness does seem to make a noticeable difference.

I've not put enough hours on any Sharp lamp yet to find out just how much they'll dim over time (perhaps Zombie can answer that) but I'll keep checking, and will post the results from time to time.

But even if after 2,000 hours or so, brightness was eventually reduced by 50% in ECO "on" mode, I could simply turn it "OFF" and immediately get a 50% boost.
I can see rotating bulbs, but it sounds like you rotate projectors...
What made you decide to get two Z30Ks? Did you buy one and like it so much that you wanted another?
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I'm aware that the 30k is out of production--I see there are still some available from a couple of suppliers at around $3,500. Has anyone purchased one from any of these suppliers.
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if you can do without the lens shift, this is a great deal on the original 3D sharp, the 17K. The excellent Sharp G20 3D glasses will work with it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sharp-XV-Z17...item259778c266
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if you can do without the lens shift, this is a great deal on the original 3D sharp, the 17K. The excellent Sharp G20 3D glasses will work with it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sharp-XV-Z17...item259778c266
How does that one compare sharpness, brightness, and color-wise to the 30000, any idea?


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I can see rotating bulbs, but it sounds like you rotate projectors...
What made you decide to get two Z30Ks? Did you buy one and like it so much that you wanted another?
That's correct. Easier to rotate projectors than switch lamps.

And yes, I purchased 2 because I love this projector so much that I couldn't bear to be without one should it fail for any reason. Fortunately, I haven't had a day of trouble with either one so far.

I missed the Woot deal, but was fortunate enough to find 2 on Amazon.com about a year ago for 2k each (+ free shipping, and a 4 year extended warranty). How could I pass that up?
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How does that one compare sharpness, brightness, and color-wise to the 30000, any idea?
I think the brightness is the same, but I don't think it has the DI so contrast may not be as good. it's definitely compatible the newer model Sharp glasses, G20 and G30.

Edit: not a great price anymore, seller likely realized he was giving it away, now selling for $1800 - good luck.
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That's correct. Easier to rotate projectors than switch lamps.

And yes, I purchased 2 because I love this projector so much that I couldn't bear to be without one should it fail for any reason. Fortunately, I haven't had a day of trouble with either one so far.

I missed the Woot deal, but was fortunate enough to find 2 on Amazon.com about a year ago for 2k each (+ free shipping, and a 4 year extended warranty). How could I pass that up?
Wow! That's as strong a vote of confidence for the Z30K as I have heard (notwithstanding Zombie having one as his "go to" PJ). Come to think of it, if I had known that it was going to be so good, and if I had realized the likely time frame leading to an "affordable" Sony 4K, then I would have probably done the same thing...

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The Sharp now splits 'daily' operation mode with the JVC X35/RS46. I use the 30K for mainly HDTV and ambient light viewing and 3D. I use the JVC for lights out viewing (TV or 2D movies). JVC native contrast is very hard to resist

that is dedicate though to get two 30k's. no chance of being without a projector for the next several years.
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The Sharp now splits 'daily' operation mode with the JVC X35/RS46. I use the 30K for mainly HDTV and ambient light viewing and 3D. I use the JVC for lights out viewing (TV or 2D movies). JVC native contrast is very hard to resist

that is dedicate though to get two 30k's. no chance of being without a projector for the next several years.
What happened to the Sony(s)?
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I also use the 1100 for movies and 3D as well, i've been playing around with 4K footage recently from the Hero 4 camera.

There's a few movies I've been looking forward to seeing, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes 3D and Expendables 3. I know it will be terrible just like the other 2 but I can't resist.
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I also use the 1100 for movies and 3D as well, i've been playing around with 4K footage recently from the Hero 4 camera.

There's a few movies I've been looking forward to seeing, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes 3D and Expendables 3. I know it will be terrible just like the other 2 but I can't resist.
I'm seriously considering selling both the Benq and JVC, and then putting it towards the sharp. Only issue is I'll probably be short $1000 and I'm kind of burnt out on spending money on projectors right now. If only I could find one for around $2800.


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I would just keep an eye out on the forums and ebay. The current price from the old stock is too high, looks like $3400 or so.

the contrast is decent for a DLP but you won't mistake the JVC and Sharp in low APL scenes. 3D contrast though is more satisfying than it was on the BQ, mainly for the DLP flash vs. IR. I don't know why BQ refuses to go with IR. The W7500 has been out for a while without much attention, I'm curious to see if they are done in this price range for now.
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I'm seriously considering selling both the Benq and JVC, and then putting it towards the sharp. Only issue is I'll probably be short $1000 and I'm kind of burnt out on spending money on projectors right now. If only I could find one for around $2800.
If you do locate a source for them, please post back here.
I would consider getting a second one if the price were "right".
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I would just keep an eye out on the forums and ebay. The current price from the old stock is too high, looks like $3400 or so.

the contrast is decent for a DLP but you won't mistake the JVC and Sharp in low APL scenes. 3D contrast though is more satisfying than it was on the BQ, mainly for the DLP flash vs. IR. I don't know why BQ refuses to go with IR. The W7500 has been out for a while without much attention, I'm curious to see if they are done in this price range for now.
Yah, the w7500 is over-priced and I have my doubts that the contrast is much better than the w7000 even though some reviewers measured it higher. We all know how that goes, heck some people measured the w7000 at 2000:1, and it was really 1000:1 in a watchable mode, unless you bleed the contrast.


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Since many of you use this projector for 3D let me make a new recommendation:

I was in Best Buy yesterday and I picked up Winged Planed 3D from the BBC Earth series Winged Planet. It is an amazing 3D presentation with great pop and 3d effects. This American 3D release seems to have limited availability. Amazon is out of stock and some Best Buy stores do not have it.
It is worth seeking out if one is interested in a reference quality 3D presentation to add to ones collection if you don't have it already.


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/winged-p...&skuId=4482062

If it is available at your local store it may be at a lower price. I got it for $17.95
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thanks for the recommendation, I'll definitely pick this one up. Some of the best 3D i've seen is in these documentaries.
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thanks for the recommendation, I'll definitely pick this one up. Some of the best 3D i've seen is in these documentaries.
I think you will really like it. Several Best Buys have it in Stock. It is back ordered online. I was lucky while looking for something else I noticed it in the 3D section. Amazon has no idea when it will be back in stock. Looking forward to hear your views on this title. If you have a problem getting it let me know.
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I think you will really like it. Several Best Buys have it in Stock. It is back ordered online. I was lucky while looking for something else I noticed it in the 3D section. Amazon has no idea when it will be back in stock. Looking forward to hear your views on this title. If you have a problem getting it let me know.
Now I know why I took a break from this forum, every time I come here I end up spending money. This forum costs me like $500 month.


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Now I know why I took a break from this forum, every time I come here I end up spending money. This forum costs me like $500 month.
You could spend money on worse things. Glad that you are back.
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Wow, is that all..wife cost me a boat load more than that!!
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Wow, is that all..wife cost me a boat load more than that!!
My wife goes to work and I sit at home all day watching movies, you just need a B-stock wife. j/k
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I keep threatening to trade her in for 2 26 year olds but I bet they would really cost me!!
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I was watching a 2D film on my JVC 4910 and decided to try Peter Gabriel's Red Rain 3D disk. Guess I was lazy at this point to switch over to the Sharp. Immediately I noticed Ghosting. While JVC has improved 3D in recent years it can still not touch DLP and the Sharp and most of you know. The HDMI switching is also great compared to the JVC.

I mentioned this before but if you really want to try a reference 3D disk get Winged Planet BBC while some are still available at Best Buy. Amazon seems to no longer have them available.
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[QUOTE=rwestley;29778954]I was watching a 2D film on my JVC 4910 and decided to try Peter Gabriel's Red Rain 3D disk. Guess I was lazy at this point to switch over to the Sharp. Immediately I noticed Ghosting. While JVC has improved 3D in recent years it can still not touch DLP and the Sharp and most of you know. The HDMI switching is also great compared to the JVC.

I mentioned this before but if you really want to try a reference 3D disk get Winged Planet BBC while some are still available at Best Buy. Amazon seems to no longer have them available.[/QUOTE

I tried to get it at Best Buy, but no luck. I saw the 2D version on DTV, I'm on the fence about trying to track down the 3D disc. Any other opinions (or ideas on where to get a hold of it)?
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I was watching a 2D film on my JVC 4910 and decided to try Peter Gabriel's Red Rain 3D disk. Guess I was lazy at this point to switch over to the Sharp. Immediately I noticed Ghosting. While JVC has improved 3D in recent years it can still not touch DLP and the Sharp and most of you know. The HDMI switching is also great compared to the JVC.

I mentioned this before but if you really want to try a reference 3D disk get Winged Planet BBC while some are still available at Best Buy. Amazon seems to no longer have them available.[/QUOTE

I tried to get it at Best Buy, but no luck. I saw the 2D version on DTV, I'm on the fence about trying to track down the 3D disc. Any other opinions (or ideas on where to get a hold of it)?

PM me, It is available in my area and I would be happy to pick it up for you. The 3D version is amazing.
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I was watching a 2D film on my JVC 4910 and decided to try Peter Gabriel's Red Rain 3D disk. Guess I was lazy at this point to switch over to the Sharp. Immediately I noticed Ghosting. While JVC has improved 3D in recent years it can still not touch DLP and the Sharp and most of you know. The HDMI switching is also great compared to the JVC.
I had a 4910 here recently and took a close look at the 3D again. it's definitely better than the RS45/55 time period but it comes at a cost. With the CT controls at 0, it's only around 600 lumens in 3D mode. We can turn it up to about 5-6 and get to 800-850 but then the dark on light x-talk stands outs, especially on the brighter HP screen.

The DLP's are spoiling in this regard but sometimes it becomes a trade off between the high native contrast in low APL scenes vs. flawless x-talk performance all the time on the DLP's. There's some 3D content I would be fine with on the JVC but any of the animations would be reserved for the 30K, these movies just stand out too much if there is any visible x-talk.

agreed on HDMI switching, much faster than the JVC can handle.

Which glasses do you use with the Sharp?
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I had a 4910 here recently and took a close look at the 3D again. it's definitely better than the RS45/55 time period but it comes at a cost. With the CT controls at 0, it's only around 600 lumens in 3D mode. We can turn it up to about 5-6 and get to 800-850 but then the dark on light x-talk stands outs, especially on the brighter HP screen.

The DLP's are spoiling in this regard but sometimes it becomes a trade off between the high native contrast in low APL scenes vs. flawless x-talk performance all the time on the DLP's. There's some 3D content I would be fine with on the JVC but any of the animations would be reserved for the 30K, these movies just stand out too much if there is any visible x-talk.

agreed on HDMI switching, much faster than the JVC can handle.

Which glasses do you use with the Sharp?
Totally agree, I am using the Sharp 3D Glasses AN3DG20B glasses with the sharp. I also have the An3DG30 glasses which also work fine. As you have said in the past these are the most comfortable glasses available. I did watch Gravity on the JVC and I liked the way it looked because of the deep blacks. I am using the Xpand 105's with the JVC.

On another note if you have not gotten Winged Planet and have had difficulty getting it let me know. I can help you out since it is available in my area. It seems that both Amazon and Best Buy is sold out on line.
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