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post #601 of 656 Old 01-10-2015, 11:33 PM
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Ted, thanks again for hosting us today. Your theater is a great culmination of hard work and vision for style and functionality. Really impressed with the decor, screen, and video/audio presentation. Go Vikings! OK maybe not this year.

Multi theater GTG coming this spring for SE WI!

Pre-Pro: Emotiva XMC-1, DSP: Mini DSP 2x4 balanced
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Speakers: JTR Noesis 212HT (LCR), JTR Slant 8's (surrounds), 3 Orbit Shifter LFU's
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It was nice meeting both you and Alex. Tony suggested moving the LFE crossover up to 120 and it really added to the bass punch once we tried it.

Looking forward to the March get together.
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A very successful small GTG at TedO's.

Amzing job with the room, screen, sound. It is an amazing room, with some of the best 3D I've seen. Speakers even in standard digital modes, DTS, Dolby Digital, sounded crystal clear. Never had to strain to hear dialog.

Butt shakers where above my expectations, and added a lot to the system without them.

TedO, thank you for been a wonderful host, please let us know if you ever want to plan another one.
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Hey guys!

I'm really glad I found this forum. There is a wealth of information on this site but it gets a little intimidating with such a big audience. I'm building a new house in SE Wisconsin and would love some feedback from local users.

I have a dedicated theater room in our current house. I'm thrilled the house is already sold, but one of the deals was I could take whatever theater equipment I wanted as long as I left a functional room for the new owner. Good excuse for upgrades! Here's the thing, I enjoy the theater room and know what I like, but I am much more of a "user" than an informed hobbies so I really need recommendations.

Here's what I'm use to (the current theater built in 2006):
Sony VPLVW100 projector
Front, center, and left speakers = Snell XA1900THX
Side and rear speakers = Snell AMC900THX
Subwoofer = Snell ICSSUB24MK2 (2 - 12" cones)
Audio Control Pantages 5 x 200 amplifier
Audio Control Pantages 2 x 200 amplifier
Receiver = Integra DHC80.3 (upgraded in 2012 from Audio Control Maestro2 which I still have laying around)
Screen - Stewart 100"

The (original) plan for the new house is/was:
Move the front, center and left Snell's as well as the sub to the new house. Buy new speakers for the existing house. I have a line on RBH 661SE's for $300 a piece.
New surrounds and rears?
Move the Integra receiver and put the Audio Control back in the old house
New screen
New amps
New projector

I'd love feedback on this plan as well as some of the options I've identified:
1. I'm trying to decide if I should jump on the promotional pricing of the new Sony VPL-VW350ES
2. My installer is concerned if the Snells will fill the new room (the new room is roughly 18' X22'). He offered RBH SI-6100's that were former demos in his shop for $1000/ea. These are in-wall speakers and he likes the idea of being able to put the lefts at the screen height as opposed to the floor. Also, they would be able to further apart than the Snells because of the Snell's cabinet depth (it's a wall issue). If I move the Snells, I still have to pay $900 to replace them. Or I leave them and pay $3K for the new ones. Which do you think would be the better setup Snell cabinets or the RBH in-walls?
3. I really like the Snell sub but it is 10 years old. Do you think I should move this or just buy new?
4. Flanners has some closeout amps. What's the gnereal impression of Parasounds?
5. Screen recommendations?

I'm sure there a tons of other things I'm missing. All help is appreciated!

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Personally I would stay away from inwall speakers if room if not a problem. If you go with an acoustical transparent screen, you can put all three front speakers behind it.
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Personally I would stay away from inwall speakers if room if not a problem. If you go with an acoustical transparent screen, you can put all three front speakers behind it.
Hi Ryan,

Welcome to the little club. I "stayed in Wisconsin" for my speakers and got all JTRs. I couldn't be happier.

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I just ordered a new Octava HDMI switcher to repair my system after the power surge that blew my old one out and an Oppo 103D as an upgrade.

If anyone is interested in an Oppo 83, mine will be going on sale soon.
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I installed the Oppo 103 in my system and was testing it out. I hooked up a 1tb hard drive to it that I has music and video on it. When playing from this hard drive I noticed the volume is much lower then when playing from the actual disk. Is it the way I am ripping them to the hard drive or is this just the way it is with the Oppo? I ripped the music as FLAC.
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TedO I sent you a text message, but I don't know what would cause volume deiscrepencies like that unless ripped at a lower volume.
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Sowk,

I tested out the other rips and everything is fine except the the rips off of Bluray. I will try to rip them again and see if there is a setting to change that will increase the volume.
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Anyone know of a good source for Linacoustic in the Fox Valley or Milwaukee?

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Check Sound World in Appleton. Not positive they have it, but if someone does its them.


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Check Sound World in Appleton. Not positive they have it, but if someone does its them.
Thanks! I will check - never would have thought of them.

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SOWK, you have those new JTR 212's running yet?

Pre-Pro: Emotiva XMC-1, DSP: Mini DSP 2x4 balanced
Amplifier: Sunfire TGA7400, Lab Gruppen FP10000Q
Speakers: JTR Noesis 212HT (LCR), JTR Slant 8's (surrounds), 3 Orbit Shifter LFU's
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Well after a year or two I'm finally able to publish my final HT build pics. I haven't been active on here but I'm hoping to change that. I'm a novice at best. SOWK calibrated my projector and informed me about this forum and great thread. I'm really happy with most of my setup and I enjoy the HT very much and very often. I wish I would have found this forum before I started construction and equipment purchases but better late than never. I built a smaller HT in my previous house so I just used that experience as my guide and this is what I came up with. I've been adding blackout material and repainted some walls black recently and am really happy I did.

The only thing I really am unhappy about is my audio system. Don't kill me but I'm using a Bose Lifestyle 35 system. (I live a mile from the outlet store and I just assumed that the Bose brand was top of the line). Anyway, I have a hard time hearing dialouge during some movies. The voices are muddled and I assume some of the problem is my room accoustics and some may be the Bose but I'm not sure? Anyway, I really want to get this remedied one way or another. I looked at trying to do some room accoustical treatments at the speaker reflection points but a one half of those are at the bar area where it would be impossible to treat? Anyway, that's probably a topic for another thread.

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Projector - JVC RS 56
Screen - Screen Innovations Black Diamond 125" 2.35
Auido - Bose Lifestyle 35
BP - Sony
Tivo Mini

Thanks for all the information and motivation!!

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WOW... What an improvement! Your room looks spectacular!
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SOWK, you have those new JTR 212's running yet?
Not yet... Lots going on around the house and life getting in the way... lol.
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Nice room Acwebs.

You didn't list an AV receiver or processor in your equipment list, what are you using?

Bose aside, you are trying to fill that room with very small speakers. Remember most of the dialog comes out of the center channel in a 5.1 system so your asking that little speaker to do a lot. Try running your system in phantom center mode, this should push the dialog equally to the L & R speakers and you should hear an improvement in clarity. You will lose a little directional sound (voices not coming from the center) but a small price to pay for a clear sound.
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Nice room Acwebs.

You didn't list an AV receiver or processor in your equipment list, what are you using?

Bose aside, you are trying to fill that room with very small speakers. Remember most of the dialog comes out of the center channel in a 5.1 system so your asking that little speaker to do a lot. Try running your system in phantom center mode, this should push the dialog equally to the L & R speakers and you should hear an improvement in clarity. You will lose a little directional sound (voices not coming from the center) but a small price to pay for a clear sound.
Thanks for the compliment and suggestion.

My AV receiver is just the Bose Lifestyle 35 unit itself. I'll check tonight but I don't think they have a phantom center mode. They severely limit the options in order to "dumb it down" to appeal to the masses.
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Acwebs, where do you live?

If you can borrow a larger speaker to try out as a center it might help you find out if it's the speaker of the Lifestyle system itself.
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Acwebs, where do you live?

If you can borrow a larger speaker to try out as a center it might help you find out if it's the speaker of the Lifestyle system itself.
Thanks for the suggestion. I live in Johnson Creek. I'll try to track something down.
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Not yet... Lots going on around the house and life getting in the way... lol.
Good evening SOWK,

I'm new to this thread and glad I found it. I live in Burlington. I'm planning for a large basement theater and JTR is on my radar. I'm hoping to go hear them in Axpona. Wondering if there is any chance to get a demo when you are up and running? I appreciate any consideration.

Also on my radar from years past are M&K speaker. Haven't heard them in 20 years but they left a mark on my soul. Wondering if anyone has some M&K's they would like to share?

Thanks,
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Good evening SOWK,

I'm new to this thread and glad I found it. I live in Burlington. I'm planning for a large basement theater and JTR is on my radar. I'm hoping to go hear them in Axpona. Wondering if there is any chance to get a demo when you are up and running? I appreciate any consideration.

Also on my radar from years past are M&K speaker. Haven't heard them in 20 years but they left a mark on my soul. Wondering if anyone has some M&K's they would like to share?

Thanks,
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I don't see that being an issue. We might be able to get you in at Lbrowns as well if he is still going to do his GTG soon. I kinda messed all that up for everyone. Sorry guys!!!! Life is always throwing you a curve ball.
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Yes we can do a demo at my house if u are interested. Next weekend might be good. PM if you are interested
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I'm not local to your area but I went from M&K S150P speakers to JTR Triple 8's. Overall the 888's were better than the M&Ks. More dynamic, better dialog intelligibility, and a much more forward sound stage. Sound coming from them sounds as if there's no speaker there at all whereas the M&Ks sounded more like "speakers" if that helps. There was this distinct sound signature to the 888's when placed behind my old AT screen. With the M&Ks behind the screen material you could tell the sound was coming from behind the screen, but with the 888s it sounds like the sound is coming directly from the screen. Very cinematic!

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Jeff,

No matter what speakers you listen to, you should to take the whole system into consideration. The speakers may not sound the same or as good if you don't have a similar level of electronics. In my own experience, I bought a good set of speakers but wasn't satisfied with the sound in my system. I ended up upgrading the amps and processor before I was truly happy.

My order of importance (not necessarily cost wise) would be amp, speakers, processor then the source. I've heard average speakers sound very good when driven by a decent amp and the quality difference (sound wise) between processors and bluray players is pretty close today and you really only get small improvements with each step up.
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Lower sensitivity speakers are especially susceptable to pushing amps past their limit if you listen at or above reference in most dedicated rooms. I do find my 212's like the full 2000 watts/channel too though.

Pre-Pro: Emotiva XMC-1, DSP: Mini DSP 2x4 balanced
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Jeff,

No matter what speakers you listen to, you should to take the whole system into consideration. The speakers may not sound the same or as good if you don't have a similar level of electronics. In my own experience, I bought a good set of speakers but wasn't satisfied with the sound in my system. I ended up upgrading the amps and processor before I was truly happy.

My order of importance (not necessarily cost wise) would be amp, speakers, processor then the source. I've heard average speakers sound very good when driven by a decent amp and the quality difference (sound wise) between processors and bluray players is pretty close today and you really only get small improvements with each step up.
I understand and agree on some levels. However, I feel a bit stuck with that plan at the moment because of the rapidly changing audio codec world. I'm sure that world will continue to evolve but maybe not as rapidly as right now.

I am looking first at speakers and figure if I buy enough quality and capacity that I can build on them. On my short list is: JTR, M&K, Triad.

I am also concurrently looking at amps. On my short list: Parasound, Emotiva, McIntosh.

I have a Denon AVR that is 8 years old. I will use that until Atmos, etc materialize.

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I'm currently using a Parasound A51 with the JTR Triple 8's and which was just recently replaced by an Gen 2 Emotiva XPA-3. If you have the money go with Parasound. Overall dynamics is better with better dialog intelligibility. In the under $10000 amp market you really can't do better no matter what speakers you choose to go with. I loved the M&K S-150's but the JTRs are better in just about every way. They are larger and heavier by quite a decent amount fyi.
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Jeff,

I think your Denon will work fine for a processor, I just think to have the JTRs play to their potential you will need to feed them more power than the Denon will put out cleanly. Even if it can't handle the latest codex, going to a lossless processor only adds a small improvement. I'm still running a 5.1 system and do not have any plans to expand on that. Believe me when I say it has taken years to build my system

Have you thought of buying used? The money you would save on the used JRTs could go to funding an amp, or at least the start of a fund for a new amp.
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