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In the ViewSonic booth, the most important product is a hybrid new projector light source. According to the scene, this product uses a red LED, blue LED, and blue laser by blending into the green, in order to achieve three primary colors.

The brightness of this product mix through the light, reaching 1200 lumens , a resolution of 1920 × 1080, is a very suitable home products, this product is expected in June 2012 listing.

there is a optoma using the same red,blue led and blue laser with yellow to make green

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You know, after buying my present PJ (Mitsu HC3000), I decided I would hold out on upgrades until a laser or led replacement becomes available. It looks like we're getting close. Hopefully.

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Anyone have a guess what this pj will cost?

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Yes the Viewsonic will cost €3000,- according to what a viewsonic rep told some-one when I went to take a look at this unit today at ISE.

The Optoma is that the (W)XGA units Eat Meat? I briefly saw this short throw unit at the Optoma booth at ISE today.

The BenQ WXGA Short throw full diode LASER+phosphor (no LED), will also be priced at €3000,- when it debuts in June (end Q2). Of course the education market receives significant discount on the generally high MSRPs for (u)short throw projectors. 3K is pretty high for a 10K hours projector (20K hours in economic mode, but classrooms need the 2000 lumens of the normal mode).

There's also a new LG LED the ...600.
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What's the model number of the Viewsonic?

Is it aimed at HT or business market?

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BenQ LW61ST

A new light to the world is presented by BenQ LW61ST - the first education
projector built on the BlueCore light engine. Designed to bring images to life while
keeping the total cost of ownership down, BenQ’s new LW61ST provides:
• An average of 20000 hours of reliable brightness in Eco Mode
• 80000:1 ultra-high contrast ratio for outstanding images and crisp clear content
• Instant on/off capability to save time on projector warm up or cool down
• A mercury-free light source that is more environmentally friendly and safe


Optoma ZW210ST – LED/Laser Hybrid Projector
The new Optoma hybrid projector packs serious performance into a sub 3kg projector with an expected brightness of 2000 Lumens. The short throw lens displays a 60” image from only 68cm away making it ideal for classrooms or smaller meeting rooms where space can be limited. Photos, videos and office presentation files can be directly projected from an SD card or USB memory stick – without conversion. Tablets without video output now mirror desktops to the projector wirelessly or via USB-display for ultimate flexibility. The new hybrid eliminates expensive lamp replacements while using less than 0.5W in standby, theZW210ST are both environmentally friendly and cost effective.

The Viewsonic is not identified in the announcement. Didn't see any model number at the booth either.

LED Laser Hybrid projector
Expanding its projector product portfolio, ViewSonic announces the world first full HD
1080p home cinema Laser Hybrid LED projector.
ViewSonic's latest Laser Hybrid LED projectors incorporate a state-of-the-art hybrid light
engine which facilitates vivid colour display and performance. The LEDs and lasers
combine as a light source to create vibrant and rich display colour, which generate a
colour spectrum exceeding that of normal mercury light projectors. Furthermore, this new
technology delivers a longer light source life of up to 20,000 hours for greater energy and cost savings.
In addition to longer lamp life, ViewSonic Laser Hybrid LED projectors also provide versatile colour modes and 1,200 lumens of brightness for the best effect at home. The projection performance is absolutely radiant with exceptional colour accuracy. Coupled with the high lumen output and pure colour correction and filter, it presents an absolutely authentic level of the three primary colours, red, green and blue which significantly expands the colour gamut and presents clear and concise images, even in the brighter ambient.
Moreover, the instant on/off function eliminates the need for a cool down period associated with conventional lamp-based projectors, providing a user experience as friendly and trouble-free as possible.
ViewSonic Laser Hybrid LED projectors feature Full HD 1080p high resolution, the ideal solution for top of the range home cinema performance. Also, full analog and digital connectivity allows easy setup concerning all media and DVD players.
ViewSonic Laser Hybrid LED projectors will be available from July 2012
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Thanks for the info.

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ViewSonic Laser Hybrid LED projectors feature Full HD 1080p high resolution, the ideal solution for top of the range home cinema performance.

So I guess it is for HT; good.

Though I guess there's no reason to expect a competitive (with LCOS) CR.

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Thanks Donald for the info.

http://www.benq.us/product/projector...specifications looks to be 120hz refresh and support 3D so maybe the viewsonic will be similar in features.

Getting close to no bulbs!

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Can't wait to see more info
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Does anyone have any more news on this one?

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I been waiting for something too
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For some reason I thought it was going to have a summer release date.
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That was announced at ISE/CES time, i.e. January/February June or July, one of the two was announced in the press release. The Viewsonic rep. at ISE told the guy ahead of me that it would be 3K, must be Euro, as the ISE show was in Amsterdam.

@Snipe, have you been able to improve upon the very noticable blend zones, and the colour/brightness differences between the projectors, as seen in your youtube clips? Guess that Immersive Display Lite 2 software does not have gamma/colour and brightness controls/matching?
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Hi,

here you are the news from Viewsonic Site :

http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/uk/co...ase_628653.htm

Available in September 2012 (maybe in Europa), because on other Websites :

http://hiddenwires.co.uk/resourcesne...120207-03.html

http://www.projectorpoint.co.uk/news...-at-ise-181125

It's July.

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What do you think Epson, Sony, Optoma, Acer, Panasonic, BenQ, and the rest of the competition are going to do about this

I know I am ready, Bring on the LED's, I got my credit card out

Trouble is once I buy projector that does 1080P and lasts for 20,000 hours it's going to be a long time before I'm in the market to buy another projector. I may not even browse this forum again for years
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And what if it looks like crap?

My new favorite game is Save The Titanic

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And what if it looks like crap?

I don't think it would look like crap, they make decent projectors. Plus, its rated at 1200 lumens and if it gets at least 800 at best mode, a really nice screen size can be used
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What if it has all of the issues of the cheap $1k dlp pjs only with LED/Laser light source. Until it is seen, no one knows. The LED pjs I have seen (Runco and VDC) look nice and I would even consider these over a JVC, but it wouldn't be a slam dunk. I think most people want these LED pjs, because they want to run them 24/7 not for an increase in picture quality.

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Hi,

here you are the news from Viewsonic Site :

http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/uk/co...ase_628653.htm

Available in September 2012 (maybe in Europa), because on other Websites :

http://hiddenwires.co.uk/resourcesne...120207-03.html

http://www.projectorpoint.co.uk/news...-at-ise-181125

It's July.


The July date was previously announced when Viewsonic announced the machine at the beginning of the year, we can only assume the September date is more current info.
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Let's hope it doesn't hv diamond pixels and high noise level. And would these laser/led pjs hv rbe?
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Yes, even the MICO 150 has a bit of colour seperation artifacts, check the 20K+ forum on that issue. You'll have to be very sensitive to notice it though.
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Yes, even the MICO 150 has a bit of colour seperation artifacts, check the 20K+ forum on that issue. You'll have to be very sensitive to notice it though.

This is my biggest concern. Even super high-end LED projectors are prone to sequential color/separation artifacts.

The real cheapy led microprojectors are horrible with RBE. So....the more it costs, the less likely you are to see it?? Well, I know it's not that cut and dry, but I guarantee you the trend is there.

Bottom line, this Viewsonic Proj will have some sort of RBE associated with it.
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I used to not know what Rain Bow Effect was. I was happily ignorant.

Then I kept reading about it over and over again on this forum. Then I
began to learn how to see it on my DLP projector. After you first notice
it you can never stop noticing it again.

Now I no longer buy a DLP with a color wheel. I switched to LCD.

Are you saying this LED Viewsonic is going to exhibit Rain Bow Effect?

Now that I'm waitting for it that would really bum me out
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I used to not know what Rain Bow Effect was. I was happily ignorant.

Then I kept reading about it over and over again on this forum. Then I
began to learn how to see it on my DLP projector. After you first notice
it you can never stop noticing it again.

Now I no longer buy a DLP with a color wheel. I switched to LCD.

Are you saying this LED Viewsonic is going to exhibit Rain Bow Effect?

Now that I'm waitting for it that would really bum me out

I have an Optoma HD80 with a 6x wheel and have shown films to scores of people. No one has ever complained of rainbows, or even mentioned them. I think it has a lot to do with your color wheel speed.
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I have an Optoma HD80 with a 6x wheel and have shown films to scores of people. No one has ever complained of rainbows, or even mentioned them. I think it has a lot to do with your color wheel speed.




The color wheels I had were on older 720P Optoma models with 4X wheels.

I loved the Optoma picture except for the RBE. I have had LED projectors for the last 6 years.

Your telling me with a 6x color wheel on an LED It should not exhibit RBE?

That sounds encouraging to me.
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I have an Optoma HD80 with a 6x wheel and have shown films to scores of people. No one has ever complained of rainbows, or even mentioned them. I think it has a lot to do with your color wheel speed.

I think it totally has to do with color wheel speed....the sequential nature of the the LED light source is key here. It has the capability of being equivalent to a 40X color wheel (so I've read). But it seems that manufacturers don't live up to this aspect when it's completely capable of doing it.

A 40X color wheel equivalent would pretty much eliminate RBE for almost all but the most extremely sensitive of people....I really don't see why this isn't implemented more often.
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When I first bought my Optoma HD73 I didn't have a HD DVD or Blu-ray Disc player. The only HD source I had was my Sky HD box.
I recorded Sin City in 1080i/50hz and it was rainbow city - unwatchable, and causing headaches in Me Jelie after 5 minutes.

A year or two ago, with 1,000 hours on the PJ I bought the Blu-ray Disc of Sin City.

Virtually no RBE.

So, was this due to me being used to the RBE, or because it was dimmer?

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That was announced at ISE/CES time, i.e. January/February June or July, one of the two was announced in the press release. The Viewsonic rep. at ISE told the guy ahead of me that it would be 3K, must be Euro, as the ISE show was in Amsterdam.

@Snipe, have you been able to improve upon the very noticable blend zones, and the colour/brightness differences between the projectors, as seen in your youtube clips? Guess that Immersive Display Lite 2 software does not have gamma/colour and brightness controls/matching?

Immersive Display Lite doesn't have as many tools as warpalizer, but its hardly noticeable. I have a very high contrast screen, so if you're not sitting in the center, the blend zones can been seen, but if you are in the center, its a perfect blend.

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Over in the CRT section and the 20K+ section we are a bit more sentive than the gamers that are even happy with non blending overlap. I even noticed it at industry trade shows where they use camera-based set-ups to show off their (simulation) blending wares. Colourmatching, gammamatching brightness matching are all important, not just geometry and grayscalematching to get an optimal result. If the image is bright enough and the overall black level low enough one will always see the brightness difference in the overlap, no matter how good the blending. That's why the black levels are generally adjusted upwards.
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