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What is Reality Creation and what does it do exactly? I assume this is exclusive to the VW1000 (not on VW95).

I believe this is Sony's name for their upconversion of 1080p input to 4K.
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Seems the US market has ended up with VW1000 launch priority. I have not heard a peep from Sony to indicate any arriving into Aus yet unfort... I can only watch from the sideline for the time being. Look forward to reading the continued US feedback in the meantime though.

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The one I have is number 22. I am too tired to post tonight. But this thing is sweet. Really really nice picture with most of the dodads turned off. Watching college basketball bt709, d65, low lamp, iris open a tad (20?).gamma 2.2
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I told you this thing was big. I've only watched it for about 30 minutes and haven't played with the settings much but it looks great so far. It's better than the Marantz and it is easy to tell its better. Don't think I'm going to need the ISCO. It looks brighter than the Marantz but not as bright as I was expecting. I'm at the long end of the throw. I may take some measurements later.

Same here re playing with it tonight. I shut most of the features like Reality Creating, noise reduction, yada yada off, set the gammato 2.2, bt 709, lamp to low, iris to manual set only open to 20 or so, and watched the games.

Randall's picture of the Sony is with the lens cover closed.
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Mark,
I told you this thing was big. I've only watched it for about 30 minutes and haven't played with the settings much but it looks great so far. It's better than the Marantz and it is easy to tell its better. Don't think I'm going to need the ISCO. It looks brighter than the Marantz but not as bright as I was expecting. I'm at the long end of the throw. I may take some measurements later.

IMO wide screen with the ISCO is superior to the zoom method.
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Google reality creation by Sony. Its basically a two axis adjustment to its scaling/deinterlacing I think, one axis adjusting sharpness and the other axis adjusting texture or something. Its in your 95 too somewhere. I leave it to its optimum setting, OFF.

As per Cine4Home preview, you should absolutely turn Reality Creation ON.

(First picture OFF, second picture ON)





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I was surprised Mark turned Reality Creation off, for the same reason.
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Please post the lumens in high lamp ,iris wide open.

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I posted in the other thread. I am at the extreme end of the range so I expected lower than 2000 lumens but I wasn't expecting this low.

Iris wide open, manual, lamp high: 1022 lumens on/off CR 13892

I guess my old light meter could be off but I don't really think so.
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I posted in the other thread. I am at the extreme end of the range so I expected lower than 2000 lumens but I wasn't expecting this low.

Iris wide open, manual, lamp high: 1022 lumens on/off CR 13892

I guess my old light meter could be off but I don't really think so.

This would be an epic fail as they say these days. This would be something like 750 lumens after 200 hours of use.

This is the lowest reported lumen measurement I've seen.

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Art I will measure the one I have this afternoon.

As to Reality Creation, I have normally shut it off in Sony sets I have owned. I did not try A vs B last night. You se I was primarily interested in ewatching two basketball games anfd the projector was merely, and as a projector should be IMNSHO, a means t accomplishing an end. So I zipped into the menu and shut all the enhancements off and along the way put it in BT709, d65, gamma 2.2, low lamp and opened the iris about 20% from minimum. That's about it. I will play with the controls and measure most everything today with Tom starting this afternoon. Sorry about defaulting RC off. After the games ended, I read the entire manual again. This way when Tom asks me about how to do something on the projector or what a control is supposed to do, I will be able to imitate a knowledgeable Sony product specialist.
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I'll try to set something up to do a short throw measurement later today. The projector is heavy for my bad back so I can't promise anything. I'll also put new batteries in my light meter.
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I'll try to set something up to do a short throw measurement later today. The projector is heavy for my bad back so I can't promise anything. I'll also put new batteries in my light meter.

What are your contrast and brightness settings? The default is usually contrast=80 and brightness=50. On previous Sonys a setting on contrast> 90 usually does not cause white clipping and produces a significant increase in contrast and light output!
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Contrast is max and Brightness is 50.
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Seems the US market has ended up with VW1000 launch priority. I have not heard a peep from Sony to indicate any arriving into Aus yet unfort... I can only watch from the sideline for the time being. Look forward to reading the continued US feedback in the meantime though.

It looks that way. One of the units that we just shipped had a serial number of 10.

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may you shoul read my post some days ago when i spend some time
to post my adjustmends and do under this condition some measurements again.
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Wolfgang,
Thanks, I already checked your settings.
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Does the VW1000 have the same 3D system as the VW95 with lampmodulation?

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Thanks, I already checked your settings.

strange ......

i know now 6 units and all have over 2000 center lumen at full panel scale to 4096x2160.

some even at 3840x2160 have more than 2000 center lumen at d 65 and
rec 709 some almost it (like 1980 lumen)

there will be sure some series variaton in the +- 10% range but this should be not more than this.
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It looks that way. One of the units that we just shipped had a serial number of 10.

I am going to contact Sony today and ask where's the Oz allocation. I hope this is not deja-vu of the bad memory of ridiculously slow Qualia 004 local launch....mine was so late, 4 months later it went back to Sony in exchange for 2 VW100s!Bearing in mind of course that the 004 was cutting edge, expensive, and low production volume. There's never been an issue since then with delivery delays on any VW series including higher end units like the VW100 or VW200. Fingers crossed with the 1000! I am getting very itchy with all this pos feedback!

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strange ......

i know now 6 units and all have over 2000 center lumen at full panel scale to 4096 x2160.

some even at 3840x2160 have more than 2000 center lumen at d 65 and
rec 709 some almost it (like 1980 lumen)

there will be sure some series variaton in the +- 10% range but this should be not more than this.

I have heard from another member in a detailed PM who has looked and measured the lumens at a little under 1900 so it looks like the 2000number is reasonably accurate.This was at D65 with 709 color space ,scaling to 3840x2160.



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I am going to contact Sony today and ask where's the Oz allocation. I hope this is not deja-vu of the bad memory of ridiculously slow Qualia 004 local launch....mine was so late, 4 months later it went back to Sony in exchange for 2 VW100s!Bearing in mind of course that the 004 was cutting edge, expensive, and low production volume. There's never been an issue since then with delivery delays on any VW series including higher end units like the VW100 or VW200. Fingers crossed with the 1000! I am getting very itchy with all this pos feedback!

Mark did you work out the ceiling mount config yet? Will it need an additional plate to work with existing Chief mounts, etc?

The Chief SLB020 plate fits the RPA mount.

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What are your contrast and brightness settings? The default is usually contrast=80 and brightness=50. On previous Sonys a setting on contrast> 90 usually does not cause white clipping and produces a significant increase in contrast and light output!

FWIW I confirmed last night that on the VW95 I cannot go above 89 without it clipping... At 90 level 234 about disappears. At 91 I lose level 232 and 233, and the levels keep disappearing as I try to go higher of course. Obviously the 95 is a different pj altogether...
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FWIW I confirmed last night that on the VW95 I cannot go above 89 without it clipping... At 90 level 234 about disappears. At 91 I lose level 232 and 233, and the levels keep disappearing as I try to go higher of course. Obviously the 95 is a different pj altogether...

HW30 is pretty much exactly the same. Mine clips at 90 as well, 89 is dead on
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FWIW I confirmed last night that on the VW95 I cannot go above 89 without it clipping... At 90 level 234 about disappears. At 91 I lose level 232 and 233, and the levels keep disappearing as I try to go higher of course. Obviously the 95 is a different pj altogether...




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But this will depent on the settings in the RGB Gain adjustment (etc. I did a calibration on the 95ES with the custom 5 - native lamp output - to D65 with the red ( who run out first of headroom ) just before it color the 253 white bar , and then I could only get the contrast to max 75 - but it measurred a higher light output then my "normal" cinema 1/ custom 2, D65 Setting/ calibration with contrast at 79 ).

So part off why W. Mayer can achieve a D65 setting with contrast at 100 without
any clipping can be because off he´s adjustment/setting in the RGB gain and to a lot lesser degree Bias settings - right !? And others cant come over etc. contrast at 90 because they have adjusted different or started with a other preset !

so to maximize the light output, you need to find and adjust the red ( who allmost allways run out first with UHP bulbs ) so it not clip at 253/254 ( if you want the full video range ) or 235 ( if you want max output with no WTW information back ) and then get the green/ blue at same level, all at D65. Then you have your max light output at D65 , without any clipping and it dosnt matter what the contrast number is then !....correct !?

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W.Mayer, How wide can you go with the VW1000 until you start losing picture quality in your opinion? thanks
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Joe have you been able to measure anything yet? What are your max lumens?
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