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Need to buy a High Lumens Projector >2000 Lumens.(to watch in an ambient light environment)
I own a lumagen so the color management can be taken care by this processor. Just need a decent quality Projector which can be used in the media room

Demo Not an Option.

Would also like to upgrade my screen to Black Diamond 0.8

My existing setup is marantz vp11s1 pj with firehawk g3 1.3 gain screen.

Personally prefer the JVC because of the reviews and all but I see that the lumens is only 1200, so this wouldn't make the cut I suppose.
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Need to buy a High Lumens Projector >2000 Lumens.(to watch in an ambient light environment)
I own a lumagen so the color management can be taken care by this processor. Just need a decent quality Projector which can be used in the media room

Demo Not an Option.

Would also like to upgrade my screen to Black Diamond 0.8

My existing setup is marantz vp11s1 pj with firehawk g3 1.3 gain screen.

Personally prefer the JVC because of the reviews and all but I see that the lumens is only 1200, so this wouldn't make the cut I suppose.

What's your budget? And your placement of the projector
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Sony VW1000 or a Sim2 Nero 3D-2 will get you 2,000 lumens. None of the under 5k projectors can do 2,000 lumens unless you consider the dynamic modes.

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Sony VW1000 or a Sim2 Nero 3D-2 will get you 2,000 lumens. None of the under 5k projectors can do 2,000 lumens unless you consider the dynamic modes.

The Models you have suggested are roughly priced at around USD20,000.
I was looking at a price range of around 4K to 5K.
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Have a look at the Epson 5010 and 6010. Light cannons, great reviews, 2400 lumens (for what that's worth), looks incredible in the showroom, great 3D (partly because of its brightness), and only $2800-$3500. I just ordered one for my dedicated home theater and consider it a steal.
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The Models you have suggested are roughly priced at around USD20,000.
I was looking at a price range of around 4K to 5K.

Sorry, but you did not list a budget. You did list a Marantz VP11S1 which is a 20K MSRP projector, so I listed projectors in that price range. None of the projectors in the 4k to 5k range can do 2,000 in a best image mode. As I said, if you can use dynamic mode then a projector like the 5010 can do 2,000 lumens.

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Sorry, but you did not list a budget. You did list a Marantz VP11S1 which is a 20K MSRP projector, so I listed projectors in that price range. None of the projectors in the 4k to 5k range can do 2,000 in a best image mode. As I said, if you can use dynamic mode then a projector like the 5010 can do 2,000 lumens.

Did some search online and came through the Optoma HD87(1700 Lumens) PJ.
what tradeoffs due you see comparing the optoma to the marantz. thanks
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Sony VW1000 or a Sim2 Nero 3D-2 will get you 2,000 lumens. None of the under 5k projectors can do 2,000 lumens unless you consider the dynamic modes.

Projector review measured the calibrated output of the Nero 2d to be only 605 lumens at D65.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/sim2...3d-2/index.php

I would get the BEnQ W7000 instead it is 1/10 th the price and has at least twice the lumen output
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Why not a higher gain screen for ambient light rejection ?
Or do the sparklies / sheen of a HiPower of Silverstar create too much distraction.

I've been a longtime Silverstar owner and have long gotten over the sheen of the screen. I had big-time ambient light problem in my former place and the Silverstar was a great purchase.

I happen to NOT have an ambient light problem now and want a bigger screen ( 11' wide ) for my JVC RS-35.
I have samples of Stewaert 130 and 1.7, and DaLite HiPower Regular & HiPower High-Contrast. Man, they seem so dim against the Silverstar. Now wondering how I will live without such a high gain screen in the Silverstar !

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Need to buy a High Lumens Projector >2000 Lumens.(to watch in an ambient light environment)
I own a lumagen so the color management can be taken care by this processor. Just need a decent quality Projector which can be used in the media room

Demo Not an Option.

Would also like to upgrade my screen to Black Diamond 0.8

My existing setup is marantz vp11s1 pj with firehawk g3 1.3 gain screen.

Personally prefer the JVC because of the reviews and all but I see that the lumens is only 1200, so this wouldn't make the cut I suppose.

High ambient light is a killer for home theater really. Any benefit from the blacks of a JVC will be totally lost. Your best bet is to do whatever you can to control the light (try a different room or use light blocking curtains, etc.). You should also strongly consider getting a DaLite HP 2.4 gain screen and not the other direction. You need something to boost the gain, not diminish it!!! As for lumens from a PJ in your price range, consider the new Epsons.

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What about the Benq SP890? Isn't that just short of super nova?
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DNP's Supernova comes in .8 and 2.3 gain varieties; maybe the 2.3 would work for the OP if the budget keeps him from getting all the way to a 2000 lumens projector. I had a demo at DNP a couple of weeks ago; they had a SIM2 Crystal paired with 84" (diagonal) versions of the screen in a training room setting. Both looked very good with the lights on. I was surprised at how wide the viewing angles are on each; the 2.3 did dim off angle sooner than the .8 but it was gradual and I didn't notice any color shift, plus the optimal viewing cone was pretty wide to begin with.

I haven't seen the Black Diamond screens yet, but they are supposed to be quite good for ambient light challenges as well. They have .8, 1.4, and 2.7 gain screens, if memory serves. I saw a thread awhile back where someone compared samples of the higher gain materials and for his tastes he chose the DNP. Does anyone have insights on Black Diamond and DNP screens?

By the way, the two versions of the Crystal retail for $6,500 and $8,500 and are supposedly 2000 and 2500 lumens machines, respectively. Both are single chip DLP. Don't know what they street for, but maybe one or both could be within reach.
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Take a look at the sony FH35 5000 Lumen LCD in eco mode its around 3500 Lumen.

things to Bare in mind with this one.

It is LCD, 1920x1200 16:10 aspect ratio, bulb has a 2000 hour warranty.
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Panasonic ar100u or Epson g5450.
Neither are pure home theater projectors, they are crossover projectors.

There are lots of projectors that produce 2000 to 3000 lumens in a best mode under $5,000, but they are not pure HT projectors. The thing is though is that these crossover projectors function much closer to HT projectors than some of the past crossover models. The main difference is contrast and sometimes image processing (more noise, less smooth motion)...

However, you cannot achieve high native on/off at very high lumens, even commercial projectors cannot do it at really high lumens after calibration.


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