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http://www.projectorcentral.com/news_story_1718.htm

Two LEDs and one laser. Sounds like a great combination to me!
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ViewSonic is making a HT1080p laser projector. Those Optomas doesn't look like it will fit the bill. I had the Optoma ML500 and I would not consider another led/laser projector that is not good enough to be in a HT. But that's just me
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With RED rattling its Laser Light Saber I sure hope you are correct!

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I sincerely doubt it. I thought DLP might transition a little quicker, but that looks like another year or two.

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Perhaps in their intended markets, but there's not yet a single HT model available.

I'd love to be wrong, but I doubt the Viewsonic will have anywhere close to JVC's native CR.

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Does anyone have a link to the Viewsonic?
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Optoma's new led/laser/dlp can achieve 80k contrast ratio? Wow.
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Does anyone have a link to the Viewsonic?

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Optoma's new led/laser/dlp can achieve 80k contrast ratio? Wow.

Probably more like 4k to 1 native.


Does anyone have a price on the Viewsonic? It could be interesting, but I doubt it is going to be a game changer. That being said, if it is under $1500 then I will take a chance on it.

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Probably more like 4k to 1 native.

Does anyone have a price on the Viewsonic? It could be interesting, but I doubt it is going to be a game changer. That being said, if it is under $1500 then I will take a chance on it.

I'm sure it will be $3000-$3500. I'm still hoping that it will be $2000, but I can always hope.
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Here comes BenQ 1280*768 for euro $2200:
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...6TPg0PdxXr25Gw

The real news is that front projectors are three years behind flat panels in using LED technology.
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They all seem to be using the same light engine.
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Here comes BenQ 1280*768 for euro $2200:
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The real news is that front projectors are three years behind flat panels in using LED technology.

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The real news is that front projectors are three years behind flat panels in using LED technology.

Not really the same technology; one is an addressable display chip, the other just a light source.

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Last year at CEDIA, there was next to no talk about LED and DP briefly talked about laser, saying it was around three years away and that was on their high end projectors. I would not hold my breath, expecting HT projectors with LED or laser at under 10k from any of the main stream manufacturers to show up at CEDIA this year.

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the benq looks like a blue laser stack behind a color wheel,and the others(viewsonic ,optoma) are 2 leds and a laser(red and blue led and blue laser stack with yellow glass for green)

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casio is already making this type of pj 2 led(blue, red), 1laser stack(blue laser yellow phospher/glas for green., dlp chip, no color wheel.The green slim is the one with a color wheel (blue laser for blue, green is done with part the wheel yellow/part clear for blue and a red led).

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There seems to be a recent price drop in bright LEDs, and the listed price for the LED-laser classroom projectors is very low. I would expect home theater projectors to be reasonable in cost using this technology. No doubt Epson will start making LCD projectors using this system, which should give even higher brightness because LCD is inherently a light efficient technology.
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No doubt Epson will start making LCD projectors using this system, which should give even higher brightness because LCD is inherently a light efficient technology.

Does Epson have a relationship with Casio or Viewsonic? If not, I wouldn't be so sure.

The problem might be that the ones who have this technology aren't interested in applying it to the small HT market.

Also I wouldn't say LCD is light efficient, as half of the light is lost to polarization.

It's just not as bad as DLP with a colorwheel, which loses ~2/3.

But lasers' polarized light can be great with LCD/LCOS.

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Bulbs are big money profit. Corporations are in no hurry to see this market go away. As long as they can delay the future the happier their bottom line.

The technology is here the will power to innovate and change the market is not.

The handful of players are doing everything possible to slow down the inevitable.

They know we are waiting for the change and it scares the hell out of them.

The first HD projector that can do home theater with LED/Laser will turn the industry upside down and panic will ensue in the boardrooms.

Hurry up because I have my money ready to buy one!
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Does Epson have a relationship with Casio or Viewsonic?

I don't think Viewsonic produces their own LEDs and lasers. They are probably buying from a vendor who is willing to sell to anyone with the cash. All companies probably have the same parts available to them if they want to use them.

I don't think there is a conspiracy to hold on to bubs. Most companies do not make their own bulbs anyway.
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most of the new stuff will only probably using a static color plate (yellow) to change the blue laser to green, the leds are probably luminus brand red and blue,no need for a wheel.

a 3 color/chip lcd/led using white led has been done(sam.spf10) I would think,colored led would be a waste.I dont think we will see a HT led/lcd(the samsung led/lcd spf10 was a flop)

The priority will be business/classroom pjs . HT pj sales are tiny.

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Bulbs are big money profit. Corporations are in no hurry to see this market go away. As long as they can delay the future the happier their bottom line.
The technology is here the will power to innovate and change the market is not.
The handful of players are doing everything possible to slow down the inevitable.
They know we are waiting for the change and it scares the hell out of them.
The first HD projector that can do home theater with LED/Laser will turn the industry upside down and panic will ensue in the boardrooms.
Hurry up because I have my money ready to buy one!

Just like advances in the cure for cancer. Usually change will come from a maverick like Red. I would go all out and buy one for 10K rather than the dish we are currently being served.
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Bulbs are big money profit. Corporations are in no hurry to see this market go away. As long as they can delay the future the happier their bottom line...

That's the knee-jerk response to those evil corporations.

There may or may not be a lot of profit in lamps, but if there is it's for the lamp mgr's, not the pj mfgr's.

To them it's just a huge customer service headache.

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Yah, besides there are too many competing companies. Tight holds only exist in markets with fewer competitors, other than the companies making the parts itself. All it takes is one company to make the product and release it at a given low enough cost then everyone will be forced to do the same. There isn't some giant projector consortium like OPEC here. Probably TI is the barrier on the DLP side. I imagine it will be at least 2 to 4 years before anything like this replaces the older designs.

There are still cost issues to work out and some other problems.


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That's the knee-jerk response to those evil corporations.

As the Consumer Advocate the regulators are also part of the industry. Look at the latest Pink Slime scandal, a practice of selling pet food to our children. The head of the USDA approved, just before taking on the top position of the Cattlemen’s Association. Here they are evil are do not represent the consumer or public interest.

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Last year at CEDIA, there was next to no talk about LED and DP briefly talked about laser, saying it was around three years away and that was on their high end projectors. I would not hold my breath, expecting HT projectors with LED or laser at under 10k from any of the main stream manufacturers to show up at CEDIA this year.

They sure seem to be producing them for presentation projectors but not for cinema projectors. I am assuming the engines for the presentation projectors can not be adapted to Cinema projectors because they can not get the color balance.

as far as solid state devices replacing lamps Luminus has just come out with a 2250 Xenon replacement

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http://www.projectorcentral.com/Casio-XJ-H1750.htm

Casio 4000 lumen led/laser projector for just 2.2k

Not HT quality as yet, but that cannot be far off. Projector Central likes it for classrooms.
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Use of lasers in projection set to explode

16 March 2012

Laser and LED powered projectors will spur market growth as sales of mainstream units are expected to grow more than 50% in 2012, according to Pacific Media Associates. It marks a turning point for technologies that are in a relative infancy.

The research body also claims shipments of laser/LED hybrid models are forecasted to grow modestly this year, and then are expected to grow by more than 40% each year during 2013-2015. Shipments of laser illuminated units are expected to begin in 2013 for the high-end and d-Cinema ranges. In 2014, PMA anticipates a growth rate of more than 80% for the high-end laser models and nearly double for the digital cinema laser models.
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