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Hi
Just got a JVC DLA-X90R and saw a demo with a "Black Diamond" screen.
It was good, but t was not calibrated so i couldn't see all the capabilities of this "baby"!

I have no experience on screens, but i want to buy a good screen, actually something very special.

My room is 100% dark, no problems with light. Any advice? Is there anything better than black diamond?

Besides one thing i've noticed, when i was watching the demo, (Str Warsa on BLu Ray on a 16.9 screen) the black bars (top and bottom) were "GREY", "NOT BLACK". Does this has to do with calibration or is because of the screen being black?
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There are plenty better than the Black Diamond it is for high light rejection. You want something as close to matte as possible with a good dark room it will give the best accurate colors and dark image. The projector is plenty bright for a dark room and has amazing blacks but the bars will always looks slightly grey may look into masking or a scope screen to eliminate them

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You should look into a neutral screen and look for a cinemascope screen so you will not have to worry about bars at the bottom of the screen. I actually have two screens for my RS55, a SI 4K neutral screen and a Da Lite HP screen. They both have there positives in certain environments.
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You should look into a neutral screen and look for a cinemascope screen so you will not have to worry about bars at the bottom of the screen. I actually have two screens for my RS55, a SI 4K neutral screen and a Da Lite HP screen. They both have there positives in certain environments.


I should have go for a Sony G90 CRT maybe to get those bars real black right? But CRT are so limited in screen size...and the tubes are so expensive that it went out of my options.

I will look for those neutral screens. Many Tanks
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There are plenty better than the Black Diamond it is for high light rejection. You want something as close to matte as possible with a good dark room it will give the best accurate colors and dark image. The projector is plenty bright for a dark room and has amazing blacks but the bars will always looks slightly grey may look into masking or a scope screen to eliminate them

I also think so....i just didn't knew were to look.
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The store that sold me the JVC DLA-X90R is givin me the cnance to trade it for a Sony VPL-VW1000ES giving the difference.

Do you guys think i will get any better picture that is worth the double of the price?
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The store that sold me the JVC DLA-X90R is givin me the cnance to trade it for a Sony VPL-VW1000ES giving the difference.

Do you guys think i will get any better picture that is worth the double of the price?


Set them up in the same room and flick between the 2 (checking lumens are the same) with films you are interested in..

This review has some interesting details compared to an older JVC X9.
http://hometheaterreview.com/sony-vp...viewed/?page=2

1080p Resolution/upscaling no difference between the two.
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The store that sold me the JVC DLA-X90R is givin me the cnance to trade it for a Sony VPL-VW1000ES giving the difference.

Do you guys think i will get any better picture that is worth the double of the price?

If you can afford it, go for the Sony
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Here is the difference between an X70 and X90.

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/JVC-...63/Review.html
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If you can afford it, go for the Sony

I can afford it. The question is.... How much good can it be? I didn't saw it working and i cannot find any screeshots.

But the JVC is amazing!
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I also think so....i just didn't knew were to look.
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Set them up in the same room and flick between the 2 (checking lumens are the same) with films you are interested in..

This review has some interesting details compared to an older JVC X9.
http://hometheaterreview.com/sony-vp...viewed/?page=2

1080p Resolution/upscaling no difference between the two.

Many Tanks Kevin.
That is a great review. I will keep the JVC...i just need to get ISF source by source calibration.
Do i need any special calibration machine to do so? Or can i do it by my self?
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Purchase a Lumagen Mini 3D and Chromapure or Spectracal meter with autocalibration. Then pick up a tripod for setting up the meter. Run the software on your PC and you are all set to autocalibrate your projector.

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Tank you
Sorry for my ignorance, but is that too much expensive?
Where can i buy? Is there a website?

Tank you once again
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Many Tanks Kevin.
That is a great review. I will keep the JVC...i just need to get ISF source by source calibration.
Do i need any special calibration machine to do so? Or can i do it by my self?

The X90 supports Autocalibration using a Spyder3elite meter and free software from JVC soon to be upgraded to Spyder4elite 25% more accurate hopefully.
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Tank you so much Kevin
Here in my country (Portugal) people ask me 300 Euros to calibrate a Projector
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Tank you so much Kevin
Here in my country (Portugal) people ask me 300 Euros to calibrate a Projector

Thats about the going rate. Just make sure you have the latest firmware 28.051 i think, ask your dealer to do it (tricky) as you will need the LAN enabled for the meter.
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I can afford it. The question is.... How much good can it be? I didn't saw it working and i cannot find any screeshots.

But the JVC is amazing!

I have the RS55/X70, which comes very close to the X90 that you have, and I've seen the Sony 1000. I am completely satisfied with my RS55 and I am not even thinking about the difference between them. However, if I could afford the Sony, I would not hesitate on getting the Sony. The JVC will be the best value you can get for 2-3 more years I think, but the Sony being 4K will be future proof for 5+ more years. Upscaling Blu Rays with JVC e-shift and Sony's 4K was not too much of a difference and you would be satisfied with the JVC for that, but everything else is better on the Sony. Motion, brightness, 3D, and resolution. Cable looked so much better on the Sony than the JVC. 3D would really good and being brighter is always better even tho the JVC is not dim at all. When actually 4K disc starts to hit the market, everyone will be upgrading in their 2K projector for a 4K, just like when 3D hit the market.
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I have the RS55/X70, which comes very close to the X90 that you have, and I've seen the Sony 1000. I am completely satisfied with my RS55 and I am not even thinking about the difference between them. However, if I could afford the Sony, I would not hesitate on getting the Sony. The JVC will be the best value you can get for 2-3 more years I think, but the Sony being 4K will be future proof for 5+ more years. Upscaling Blu Rays with JVC e-shift and Sony's 4K was not too much of a difference and you would be satisfied with the JVC for that, but everything else is better on the Sony. Motion, brightness, 3D, and resolution. Cable looked so much better on the Sony than the JVC. 3D would really good and being brighter is always better even tho the JVC is not dim at all. When actually 4K disc starts to hit the market, everyone will be upgrading in their 2K projector for a 4K, just like when 3D hit the market.

Some good points raised also to add at this price point the below would make me stop and wait a year or 2..
1. No Color Management Onboard, external VP needed.
2. Lumens drop a lot past 15` throw.
3. Variable iris distracting compared to fixed iris.
4. Cost involved to accept 4K material (new HDMI board etc. unknown).
5. 4K material 12-18 months away.
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I have the RS55/X70, which comes very close to the X90 that you have, and I've seen the Sony 1000. I am completely satisfied with my RS55 and I am not even thinking about the difference between them. However, if I could afford the Sony, I would not hesitate on getting the Sony. The JVC will be the best value you can get for 2-3 more years I think, but the Sony being 4K will be future proof for 5+ more years. Upscaling Blu Rays with JVC e-shift and Sony's 4K was not too much of a difference and you would be satisfied with the JVC for that, but everything else is better on the Sony. Motion, brightness, 3D, and resolution. Cable looked so much better on the Sony than the JVC. 3D would really good and being brighter is always better even tho the JVC is not dim at all. When actually 4K disc starts to hit the market, everyone will be upgrading in their 2K projector for a 4K, just like when 3D hit the market.


But isn't the JVC DLA-X90 a 4k Projector?
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But isn't the JVC DLA-X90 a 4k Projector?

No it upscales 2K to 4K (E-shifts) you can not feed it true 4K material as it only has a 2K chip 1080p not a 4K chip 2160p.
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I understand now.
But the Blu Ray has a fantastic image on this one.
No pixels at all.
But one strange thing i've noticed...the "Casino Royale" has a little grainny picture...is that normal? After calibration will it be solved?
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I understand now.
But the Blu Ray has a fantastic image on this one.
No pixels at all.
But one strange thing i've noticed...the "Casino Royale" has a little grainny picture...is that normal? After calibration will it be solved?

Yes JVC has certainly set the standard.
If grain is visible lower the MPC or sharpness setting.

Check this out.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post21793962
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Hi Kevin

I am wrong or the JVC is kicking the ass of the G90?
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I am wrong or the JVC is kicking the ass of the G90?

He usually use his G90 stack 2xG90s for those type of shots
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Even with 2, he can get only close, but not as perfect as the JVC
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I understand now.
But the Blu Ray has a fantastic image on this one.
No pixels at all.
But one strange thing i've noticed...the "Casino Royale" has a little grainny picture...is that normal? After calibration will it be solved?

Casino Royale is meant to be grainy during the black & white section at the start of the film, wait until it goes to colour, its fine then.
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Casino Royale is meant to be grainy during the black & white section at the start of the film, wait until it goes to colour, its fine then.


I know, but it was grainy at the middle of the film.
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I know, but it was grainy at the middle of the film.



Please provide the chapter and time stamp of the scenes you are talking about and one of us should be able to independently confirm what you are seeing.

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Please provide the chapter and time stamp of the scenes you are talking about and one of us should be able to independently confirm what you are seeing.


I saw it when the plane arrives to bahamas, and when Bond gets out of the airplane the picture looks grainy...
I've used as source the Pioneer BDP-LX91, and the original Casino Royale Blu Ray disc.
But the JVC DLA-X90 was not calibrated, was factory standard...
Can that be eliminated?
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