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From a Sony rep:

"New News - This month in Vegas expect Sony to show laser projection technology.
Technology marches on! "

I imagine this will be for the pro/D-Cinema side, but who knows. Looks like NAB is going to be pretty interesting this year!

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I will know more shortly about this hopefully I can find out without a NDA
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I wonder if they will employ some iteration of Necsel or use a proprietary laser technology?
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No, they have been training sharks for a while now to handle the lasers. Sony, always thinking ahead.

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Great to see you back Jason, hope all is well!

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They have to beat RED: The race is on!
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Red is showing, but the Red sounds like it is geared more for consumer purposes at its speculated price point. I think whatever Sony shows will most likely be pro driven, or they would have shown it at CES or waited until CEDIA. Red always has a big showing at NAB.

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Red is showing, but the Red sounds like it is geared more for consumer purposes at its speculated price point. I think whatever Sony shows will most likely be pro driven, or they would have shown it at CES or waited until CEDIA. Red always has a big showing at NAB.

Agreed. CES can be pro, NAD/Infocomm are always. Cedia is home. Based on this I would tend to think it is more pro level.

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...and the asking price will be *pause and bring pinkie to corner of mouth*... $1,000,000

Commercial always eventually creeps down to consumers, so with Red leading the charge on that front, maybe it will expedite the process! Here's to hoping anyway!
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So what recently introduced hi-end product just became obsolete?

BTW commercial users can buy a version of the Sony 1000 which accepts 4K at 60Hz using Display Port 1.2.

Also I read the May 2012 and conclude that Home Theater Magazine becoming a bit more relevant:
1) Reviewer Tom Norton even admits DLP has superior motion blur over LCD or LCOS

2) The High Power Screen is praised - about six years late

3) The Sony 1000 retest does not measure the supposedly claimed improved contrast in the new light engine. The claim has simply been changed to that the pre-production sample was not set up for 3D

4) The shameless plugging of the Ultra Violet DRM No counterpoint perspective is offered - especially when you guys have rightly complained of the crass annoying commercials in Blu-ray Live! Anyone would have to be a fool to give studio direct control over their purchased movies, and the advertising they would undoubtedly insert at every opportunity.

5) The Mitsubishi 4000 is reviewed on-line. About two years late

In any event it looks like you guys are ketching-up. Congratulations!
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It looks like you are calling out Kris as well as HT Mag. I don't have the latest issue, so I won't comment on all of your points. I will say that Kris is friends with Darinp2, so I am sure he has been aware of the High Power for a long time.

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Red is showing, but the Red sounds like it is geared more for consumer purposes at its speculated price point. I think whatever Sony shows will most likely be pro driven, or they would have shown it at CES or waited until CEDIA. Red always has a big showing at NAB.

According to posts by Jim Jannard (founder of Red), Red has two laser projectors in the works. The expensive one is intended for commercial digital cinemas and there is also a consumer projector with a target price of $10K.

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Sony to Announce New Business Strategy

http://www.techradar.com/news/home-c...rategy-1075214

Little doubt that the exciting Red projection technology pushed Sony to announce "frikkin lasers"
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It looks like you are calling out Kris as well as HT Mag. I don't have the latest issue, so I won't comment on all of your points. I will say that Kris is friends with Darinp2, so I am sure he has been aware of the High Power for a long time.

I'm more than aware of the high power and its pros and cons. I am not the Editor of Home Theater, I am not even the Video Editor. I make absolutely NO CALLS on what does and doesn't get reviewed for the magazine. But like every other PRINT magazine, there is a finite amount of room for coverage and I'm sure there are tough decisions on what can and can't be in the magazine. I would love to cover all the hot products out there and do extensive objective testing, but I don't call the shots. There is an editor's input for the magazine for anyone who has issues with the content though, I think that would be the better place to vent on content.

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Sony to Announce New Business Strategy

http://www.techradar.com/news/home-c...rategy-1075214

I wonder how many of the layoffs will come from the ranks of those who make and sell digital projectors?
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It is going to be a theater/pro model 4k.

I with I could give more info....NDA .... OH and it is not SXRD.....
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It is going to be a theater/pro model 4k.

I with I could give more info....NDA .... OH and it is not SXRD.....

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Could you at least tease us with any info concerning msrp ?
Is it going to be "south" of $10.000,00 or "north", or right around the "bend" ?
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Not SXRD? Really? Because the NAB site for the presentation makes it sound like it is just the existing projector but with a retrofitted laser light source instead of a bulb.

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They have a couple models in the works, Home, Cinema.

Next week I will be able to release more info.
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I've thoroughly read through the latest Home Theater Magazine with equipment reviews by Kris Deering and Tom Norton.
I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised and impressed. Their is an intelligence, reason and with direct critical comparisons being allowed.

In his review of the Sony 1000 Tom Norton documents the "not very rewarding" 2.1 ft-L brightness for 3D.

Kris reviews the JVC x30 and correctly rate the "3D performance lacking" and even worse than last years x3.
For the Epson 5010 he rated the 2D at only three stars for several significant shortcomings that other reviewers missed.

I could go on, but I wanted to offer a balanced perspective and encourage them to keep up the new/higher review standards.
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They have a couple models in the works, Home, Cinema.

Next week I will be able to release more info.

HMMM....

I am planning on upgrading my current HW30 to something with better contrast, and LEDs and Lasers would seal the deal... no worrying about lamps! I figured this was just for professional cinema, but a home model would be great!
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I can see Sony trying to rebrand sxrd+lasers as being something entirely new and not just lasers instead of a lamp.
RLLCD Reflective laser liquid crystal display.
It could be GLV but that technology has been quiet for some time now.

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My bet is Red wll be using GLV technology:
"The switching from undeflected to maximum deflection of the ribbon is really fast; it can switch in 20 nanoseconds which is a million times faster than conventional LCD display devices, and about 1000 times faster than TI’s DMD technology."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grating_Light_Valve

The irony is Sony worked to develop GLV years ago, but then largely quit innovating:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Pr...00206/02-023E/

but is now changing course:
Sony Chief Unveils Plans to Revive Company
"Although Mr. Hirai said that Sony would not drop TVs, he said a 60 percent reduction in fixed costs was planned in that business."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/bu...er=rss&emc=rss
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For the Epson 5010 he rated the 2D at only three stars for several significant shortcomings that other reviewers missed.

There must be some significant unit-to-unit variation on this projector. On the unit I looked at there were no significant uniformity problems, sharpness seemed fine, and the measured native contrast was almost double what HTM got (5K:1 vs. 3.2K:1). I intentionally didn't use the auto-iris, so I can't comment on that.

Two things they noticed that I didn't check for were the color clipping and the RGB-YCbCr reset, which is a really weird bug.

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There must be some significant unit-to-unit variation on this projector. On the unit I looked at there were no significant uniformity problems, sharpness seemed fine, and the measured native contrast was almost double what HTM got (5K:1 vs. 3.2K:1). I intentionally didn't use the auto-iris, so I can't comment on that.

Two things they noticed that I didn't check for were the color clipping and the RGB-YCbCr reset, which is a really weird bug.

Epson and some other companies have had significant unit to unit variations in the past. Convergence was a big issue with a big variation from unit to unit. Epson has been very good at replacing out of spec projectors.
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There must be some significant unit-to-unit variation on this projector. On the unit I looked at there were no significant uniformity problems, sharpness seemed fine, and the measured native contrast was almost double what HTM got (5K:1 vs. 3.2K:1). I intentionally didn't use the auto-iris, so I can't comment on that.

Two things they noticed that I didn't check for were the color clipping and the RGB-YCbCr reset, which is a really weird bug.

Honestly, I don't think I would have even noticed the RGB-YCbCr reset if I wasn't using a Videoforge for a pattern generator. The VF outputs RGB, so the calibration was done with a RGB source. But when I switched back over to YCbCr from my typical sources, it looked way too red. I looked at my settings and they were all wrong. Had me scratching my head for awhile.

CR measurements can always be different from unit to unit, but they can also be considerably different from other factors. I always measure the exact same way to try and keep it fair. I am using a Minolta T-10 meter with the probe about 8" from the lens. But zoom, setup, meter readings, angle to lens, and a multitude of other things can change that reading. Especially when you are talking about measuring black.

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I always measure the exact same way to try and keep it fair. I am using a Minolta T-10 meter with the probe about 8" from the lens. .

That is a nice looking meter. How long have you been using it in your reviews?

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On 28th March, it was announced that Sharp had been rescued by a cash injection from Chinese based Foxconn of $1.6 billion. The news was so well received, that Sharp’s shares had to be suspended when they rose more than 15% almost instantaneously.
Why?
Sharp makes flat panel screens and Foxconn makes Apple:

Sharp has a large and well deserved following here at AVS. Members buy the huge 70" (and now 80") screens at reasonable prices too.

This marriage no doubt influenced Sony CEO to announce a 60% reduction in its HDTV display business. This implies Apple has decided to use Sharp innovative panels in the upcoming Apple HD displays.

http://www.kitguru.net/apple/jules/f...harp-purchase/
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I guess the market turns a blind eye to problems, as do many others.

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The Fair Labor Association (FLA) issued a report last month detailing the results of a month-long investigation into labor practices at Foxconn. The FLA said the investigation uncovered "significant issues" with working conditions at three Foxconn factories in China, including workers working excessive hours in violation of Chinese law and not in some cases being properly compensated for unscheduled overtime.

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I guess the market turns a blind eye to problems, as do many others.

As do *you*, probably. Because you don't believe the working conditions the IT and CE stuff *you* bought were manufactured under were any better, do you?
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