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http://www.brytewerks.com/modelone/features.php

This thing is HUGE, but sounds like a good deal if you want to fill a big screen,they claim a true contrast of 1000:1 but they make sure to point out that the # is accurate so it may not be horrible.

Oh and it has a built in HTPC! Still at $3,000

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Just read this on Engadget, crazy if true.
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Just read this on Engadget, crazy of true.

They are already taking pre-orders on the website, if I knew the contrast was half decent I would get one just for a backyard theater!

-Touch screen controls
-Built in BR player
-Affordable lamps (they claim)
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OSRAM also makes metal halide lamps at 2500 Watt next to the 700 and 1200 watt units used in this '1080P+' (=1920x1200? projector, Single LCD?), so why stop there;-). Yes 1920x1200 according to engadget. And it looks like a regualr LD panel with a fresnel lens.




http://www.osram.com/osram_com/produ...ctId=ZMP_56294

Judging by the price list most of the 'value' is placed on the integrated pc.

The upgrade from the standard 700W lamp (6000 lumens according to Engadget) to the 1200W (11000 lumens) one costs $599,- plus tax, 'so very affordable' ahum.
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Seems like a start-up like this would come to avs and let us know what they are doing and answer questions, they have a knowledge base on the website that is very unprofessional. How good can image quality really be with a single LCD? Do these lamps dim as quickly as UHP? This almost seems like a glorified DIY projector with a computer stuck in the box to make it more appealing and take some of the attention away from questions about image quality.
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looks interesting. Almost like the pj I made. Was an LCD screen mounted on top of an overhead projector with fans to cool the screen. worked well for its day in the mid 90s.

I would just be very concerned with the low contrast ratio and the fact that this uses a single tft.

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I personally didn't think the web site was that bad or unprofessional looking, the black is a little artsy and different than the standard white, but it works I think as they are trying to be creative. Also, it is at least very quick to get around their site, some sites take forever. I do not like the company name however, it sounds too odd.

http://www.brytewerks.com/modelone/features.php

Just my 2 pesos...


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I personally didn't think the web site was that bad or unprofessional looking, the black is a little artsy and different than the standard white, but it works I think as they are trying to be creative. Also, it is at least very quick to get around their site, some sites take forever. I do not like the company name however, it sounds too odd.

http://www.brytewerks.com/modelone/features.php

Just my 2 pesos...

I agree and I should have clarified what I meant. The website looks great but the knowledge base answers were almost silly, so much so that they address it in the knowledge base lol.

"I don't like the tone of your Knowledge Base. it seems smug. i don't find you funny at all. [–]

We completely understand. Perhaps our attempt to inject some personality into a rather dry, monotonous document isn't your cup of tea. Please don't punch us in the face if you ever meet us in person. We'd still love to take you out for a beer. Semper fi."

And no that wasn't my comment but I do somewhat I agree with whoever said that

The also make this comment: "History is a bitch, folks. We think it's time for another spin around this very old merry-go-round. We believe the cinema exhibition technology is ready for disruption…and the stratified projector industry is ready to be flattened like a pancake."

Again, its not that I don't agree but I would rather see more detailed info on the projector and let it speak for itself.
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I didn't look long enough to see what those osram lamps cost, but I did see the life expectancy was 500 hrs.

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Just read this on Engadget, crazy of true.
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I personally didn't think the web site was that bad or unprofessional looking, the black is a little artsy and different than the standard white, but it works I think as they are trying to be creative. Also, it is at least very quick to get around their site, some sites take forever. I do not like the company name however, it sounds too odd.

http://www.brytewerks.com/modelone/features.php

Just my 2 pesos...

It is a project by an indie movie production company. Other website lists three titles they produced. Note the units will be sold/shipped from Wisconsin, while the company itself is based in New Mexico. So production/development is most likely not at the company location.

Bright works with some made up street and Germanic twits;-)
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So it is a lumenlab-style projector. Thanks for the pics. As to the lumen rating. I believe on lumenlab these type of projectors (lighting fresnels and an lcd panel) only put out about 5% or so of the original lamp, so a 11k lumen projector - 500 actual possible lumens making it to the screen.

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Well, the lamp's lumen rating isn't specced just that it is a 1200 watt metal halide one. 9Lumens/Watt is not a very impressive number.
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I like their website. It just does not give enough details. I really do not have a clue how it works or what it actually does. This will make life interesting if it does work.
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So it is a lumenlab-style projector. Thanks for the pics. As to the lumen rating. I believe on lumenlab these type of projectors (lighting fresnels and an lcd panel) only put out about 5% or so of the original lamp, so a 11k lumen projector - 500 actual possible lumens making it to the screen.

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Well, the lamp's lumen rating isn't specced just that it is a 1200 watt metal halide one. 9Lumens/Watt is not a very impressive number.

The Osram website linked above has the following specs:

700w 1200w
Output 59,000 lumens 105,000 lumens
Lifespan 500 hours 750 hours
I think it's reasonable to assume that this projector could be capable of 6,000 or 11,000 lumens. Of course, even if the 1,000:1 CR is true, that means that the projector's black floor would be 6 and 11 lumens. You'd certainly need a bigger screen for one of these to drive the black floor down to a watchable ftL level. Interesting that the higher wattage bulb also has a longer lifespan by 50%.

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What would be the life time of the tft panel in this projector?
The tft panels are not made to withstand 1kW+ of heat.

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I would be allot more interested in this product if they used a normal high efficiency long lifespan UHP bulb.

Can anyone explain to me why they used a short lived, low efficiency bulb design?

Epson claims a 4000 hour bulb lifespan on their best LCD HT projectors. I don't want to change a bulb every 500 hours.
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I would be allot more interested in this product if they used a normal high efficiency long lifespan UHP bulb.

Can anyone explain to me why they used a short lived, low efficiency bulb design?

Epson claims a 4000 hour bulb lifespan on their best LCD HT projectors. I don't want to change a bulb every 500 hours.

I don't think the kind of UHP bulbs you're talking about are capable of generating the amount of light required for higher-output designs like this one. I could be wrong, but even high-output business projectors - where the regard for white/color accuracy is essentially non-existent - can't touch 6,000 or 11,000 output lumens.

As far as I know, the kind of projectors these things are competing with have bulbs that are far more expensive yet have similar lifespans.

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The business projectors (single chip DLP generally, but also some LCDs primarily from Sanyo, now Panasonic, and one or two Epsons) do offer that lumens output (LCD 10K max.) by using two to four UHP lamps.

Hog Pilot Xenon lamps, are about the same price, or even a bit less. Depending on how many kilowatt the bulb is rated at, I believe Cineramax mentioned the cheapest bulb-only Xenons are around $700,-.
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I would be allot more interested in this product if they used a normal high efficiency long lifespan UHP bulb.

Can anyone explain to me why they used a short lived, low efficiency bulb design?

Epson claims a 4000 hour bulb lifespan on their best LCD HT projectors. I don't want to change a bulb every 500 hours.

So wait for the RED.
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Is the RED supposed to be in the ballpark lumen-wise?
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Our local Cineplex here just converted to digital for 10 screens.
They bought Christie digital projector equipment for well over 1 million dollars.

Briteworks is saying they could have done this for $30,000.00

If that is true it really would be a revolution?

I'll only believe it when I see it!
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Does anyone for a second believe these are DCI capable? Does this company even know what that is?
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but CR would probably not fit my needs!
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Our local Cineplex here just converted to digital for 10 screens.
They bought Christie digital projector equipment for well over 1 million dollars.

Briteworks is saying they could have done this for $30,000.00

If that is true it really would be a revolution?

I'll only believe it when I see it!

How can you use this projector in a theater if the lens throw ratio is 1:1? It would be great for rear projection, however.

Why do we need a built-in Blu-ray player? Why not take all that out and lower the price?

So it uses just one LCD panel? How does that work?
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So it uses just one LCD panel? How does that work?

Pretty much like this



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has anyone seen this type of projector at work ? i have and not too impressed. maybe its better than what ive seen but the system works just like this quality unit tongue.gif
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I love the built in vacuum cleaner!
What a great feature.
This thing does it all.
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