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Hi everyone,

I'm getting into the projector scene and I have a question. I was in a home theater shop one day auditioning some speakers, and i walked into a dark room where they had a projector running.
It was the end of a movie and credits were running, but the picture was amazing !
there was definitely depth. It wasn't 3-D, but it had that real theater feeling, you know...the script was definitely in front of the background.
What specification helps with that?
Is it the contrast ratio? Size of image? Viewing distance? Black levels?
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Contrast is the major factor in creating sense of depth. But contrast without decent brightness and color and detail will fall short of those projectors possessing these additional qualities.
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Contrast is the major factor in creating sense of depth. But contrast without decent brightness and color and detail will fall short of those projectors possessing these additional qualities.

Thanks! Is there a projector you would recommend that is good at providing this depth of field in - let's say $2,000 range ?
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...let's say $2,000 range ?

You are in the wrong forum.
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You are in the wrong forum.

LOL , sorry, typo, i meant $3,000.

+3,000 is a huge range, and i'm in the lower end of this range
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LOL , sorry, typo, i meant $3,000.
+3,000 is a huge range, and i'm in the lower end of this range

Either the BenQ W1200 or W7000.
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Try JVC or Sony for contrast, color and details.
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If you want contrast JVC is the way to go. The Benq's will be a tad sharper, be brighter, and will calibrate comparably to the JVCs.

In your price range I would check out the Sony hw30 or the jvc rs45
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Thanks guys !
I will further research these.
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Hi everyone,

I'm getting into the projector scene and I have a question. I was in a home theater shop one day auditioning some speakers, and i walked into a dark room where they had a projector running.
It was the end of a movie and credits were running, but the picture was amazing !
there was definitely depth. It wasn't 3-D, but it had that real theater feeling, you know...the script was definitely in front of the background.
What specification helps with that?
Is it the contrast ratio? Size of image? Viewing distance? Black levels?

What was the movie and projector they had running?

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The BenQ W1200 will comfortably be within your original budget.
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You might review this discussion, regarding Tromp L'oeil,

http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb//...?postid=508592

the projector definition of which we live in eternal hope of capturing...

Thank you very much

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What was the movie and projector they had running?

It might have been a Runco. I can't remember. I wasn't paying attention since i was just looking at their audio system then.

And I definitely don't remember the movie.
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You might review this discussion, regarding Tromp L'oeil,

http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb//...?postid=508592

the projector definition of which we live in eternal hope of capturing...

Thank you very much

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very nice...though not conclusive, right?
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The BenQ W1200 will comfortably be within your original budget.

wow. this projector sells for only $799. really?
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wow. this projector sells for only $799. really?

Yeah ..don't get too excited. These are nice for the money, but won't give you the image depth any where near what you saw with the Runco.

And sure as heck not with the JVC's.
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I would give the dealer a call and ask what they had on display as that would give us a much better picture of what price league you're looking for. If it was a Runco I would venture a guess that it was either a Runco Q750i or the Runco LS-5 as both of these are very popular demo units at Runco home theater dealers.
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very nice...though not conclusive, right?

Zakly... The problem is, as in most scientific issues, asking the right question (defining the scope of the problem, pertinent parameters, etc.). The answer is frequently more forthcoming...but only after the "correct" question is asked. A bit teleologic, yo be sure, but the reader prolly gets the concept here.

In this particular case, the issue remains, AFAIK, still unresolved. A bit flaky, in a way that snowflakes nearly all look nice, but "on further review" of their microscopic appearances, there are viewers' preferences, specific variations in appearance and what process zakly caused a given flake to appear as it does. Not that we aren't getting a lot of great projector images though. The very limiting, but omnipresent issues of patents, pride and investment, then supervene, even if a given design house "sees" the pathway, but may be hogtied...

Thank you very much

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I liked the comment about imperfection though. Any imperfection in the image, for instance, blacks being washed out as if looking through a window, will kill the depth effect.
As much as i like their image, i won't afford a runco.
I saw a demo of the JVC DLA-X30 at best buy, and they were playing the beginning of the first MAtrix movie which has a lot of dark scenes. It looked great. For whatever reason though I wasn't "pulled into" the movie. The screen was too far i think.
I think another factor is screen distance in this. And definitely cinemascope movies pull me in further.
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Once the software fix is in place, it's looking like the BenQ W7000 should be on your short list.
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Yeah ..don't get too excited. These are nice for the money, but won't give you the image depth any where near what you saw with the Runco.

And sure as heck not with the JVC's.

You think the JVC - x30 would be a disappointment, ha?
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You think the JVC - x30 would be a disappointment, ha?

No not at all. I was referring to the Benq w1200. The JVC has stopped me in my tracks. It's the first unit I've owned that has made me stop looking for another projector.
I've seen the Runco..it throws a gorgeous image, but so does the JVCs.
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No not at all. I was referring to the Benq w1200. The JVC has stopped me in my tracks. It's the first unit I've owned that has made me stop looking for another projector.
I've seen the Runco..it throws a gorgeous image, but so does the JVCs.

From the reviews, the JVC's look like great projectors. You obviously preferred it to the Sony. Did you compare the two?
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From the reviews, the JVC's look like great projectors. You obviously preferred it to the Sony. Did you compare the two?

I've only seen the Sony in the show rooms. It is a very nice projector as well.
It lacks some of the refinements of the RS45, such as power zoom and focus.
The Sony will better the JVC in 3D viewing. For 2D movie viewing, the JVC is top dog IMO.
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I've only seen the Sony in the show rooms. It is a very nice projector as well.
It lacks some of the refinements of the RS45, such as power zoom and focus.
The Sony will better the JVC in 3D viewing. For 2D movie viewing, the JVC is top dog IMO.

Thanks a bunch. I'm not a fan of 3D personally. I will hardly ever watch anything 3D on it.
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So I got the JVC - x3, ( they made an offer i couldnt refuse )
Put it up and immediately projected on my wall, with no adjustments, no screen, etc. OMG ! This is amazing.
I put up probably bigger than a 200" image and I love it. It looks like what gives that depth to the image is the size of the image. It really needs to be big enough to immerse you in it. So sitting distance is also key.
I zoom in and out, and there's a sweet spot where the image is 3d and still it's not too big to overwhelm.
Thanks everyone for their time.
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