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Well the MFR runs are based on how many they sold, so the next batch they won't manufacture as many. And yes, sometimes companies would make more money by doing nothing (actually often), which is why they often end up closing a division or selling it off. Plus all that matters is the complete net profit from A to Z on the unit's lifecycle, sometimes those costs are hard to calculate as they can end up mixed in with other divisions. If they sell a million and make $1 each, they are better off selling 20,000 and making $100 each.


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I'm calling the police for 2 reasons, 1) you posted the price, and 2) Best Buy going to get in trouble :P
The only question is will Sony be willing to press charges...
Judging from Sony's past profit on video devices (other than Bluray licensing), I think Sony makes more money when they DONT sell a projector than when they do. They lost 500+ million selling TV's the past few years. So by them raising the price and not selling as many projectors, they probably lose less money :P

Too funny on the losing money. I know that was definitely the case with the PS3 when it came out...lost on each one. Odd, but I guess they make it up with software.

Though side note, I stopped in the Best Buy again last night...price was back to MSRP. In fact all the SURE stuff was. I grabbed the Magnolia "manager" (of course I was playing dumb) and he said the change just took a bit to trickle down and be implemented from headquarters...

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I know this thread already become discussion about SURE policy, but today is already ID4 of 2012. Is there any rumor about when SONY will announce the new projectors? I'm planning to purchase the projector by the end of this month. I'd like to make decision after I know the specs of new projectors.

Anyone?
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I know this thread already become discussion about SURE policy, but today is already ID4 of 2012. Is there any rumor about when SONY will announce the new projectors? I'm planning to purchase the projector by the end of this month. I'd like to make decision after I know the specs of new projectors.
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The new Sony models may not be announced until the CEDIA show two months from now. As I recall, last year only the HW30 was announced (and shipped) pre-CEDIA while the other Sony home theater class projectors were announced at CEDIA and did not begin shipping until some time after that.

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The new Sony models may not be announced until the CEDIA show two months from now. As I recall, last year only the HW30 was announced (and shipped) pre-CEDIA while the other Sony home theater class projectors were announced at CEDIA and did not begin shipping until some time after that.

That is the norm...the HW30 was more of an exception to the rule for release date. Though they are pretty good at keeping quiet...

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Going to be shopping for a projector as well my first one.. So far deciding between Epson 6010 and Jvs Rs 45 but think I am going to wait unti CEDIA to see the new lineup
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Going to be shopping for a projector as well my first one.. So far deciding between Epson 6010 and Jvs Rs 45 but think I am going to wait unti CEDIA to see the new lineup

Its hard to say what will be announced come Cedia. Usually items also don't ship until more like October+. So I would say a lot depends on when you want it up and running. If you are a football buff, and your room is ready, that may make waiting more challenging.

Of course in this business, I always recommend waiting until you are ready for it...

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It will be mostly used for movies and gaming.. No football at all here.. First projector and the room really wont be dont until the winter time so I have some time to wait around.. But getting that itch now lol
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depending on how serious a gamer you are, the Sony HW30 and VW95 have the lowest lag time. (~30 MS). Epson 5010/6010 is ~ 80 ms, same with the JVC's (~ 80 MS)
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depending on how serious a gamer you are, the Sony HW30 and VW95 have the lowest lag time. (~30 MS). Epson 5010/6010 is ~ 80 ms, same with the JVC's (~ 80 MS)

Agreed that for gaming they may not be the best option, though it does depend on the type of games to some degree as well...

Sony's are fairly quick as Zombie mentioned...

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Interesting... I like to game but I am no professional lol.. So i probably wouldnt even notice idk. But maybe at cedia we will have some new products that will suit me even better.
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Glad th e 3D transmitter is built in. That makes life much easier. smile.gif

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Glad th e 3D transmitter is built in. That makes life much easier. smile.gif

Yes, but I still like to see more improvement on feature and performance side.
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Yes, but I still like to see more improvement on feature and performance side.

I bet there are a few incremental increases over the 30. It will most likely be a cross between a 30 and a 95. Just a guess.

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They haven't told any of their stooges smile.gif about incremental improvements so we have to guess. As I posted in another thread, I am positive they will keep the IR emitter out jack for those who need to mount an emitter for a direct line of sight to the glasses, for most the internal IR emitter will be all that is needed.
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Curiously, I can't seem to find the Sony VPL-HW30AES at Best Buy at all. Online shipping isn't available as an option, & there aren't any available at any store near Seattle or Boston.

Time for a replacement? I need to replace my 6 year old PT-AE900U but at this point I suppose I should just wait for the new round.
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Curiously, I can't seem to find the Sony VPL-HW30AES at Best Buy at all. Online shipping isn't available as an option, & there aren't any available at any store near Seattle or Boston.
Time for a replacement? I need to replace my 6 year old PT-AE900U but at this point I suppose I should just wait for the new round.

it isn't sold at the regular best buy store, it's sold thru the Magnolia store, so you will need to find one with a Magnolia store attached. Bestbuy site is horrible, you can't find it easily, but here is the link:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+3D+Home+Cinema+Projector/2962678.p?id=1218367180595&skuId=2962678
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Thanks. Yeah I still can't seem to easily find a Magnolia store near me. At any rate, it appears overpriced. I thought the emitter + glasses became standard in the $3499 package...
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Thanks. Yeah I still can't seem to easily find a Magnolia store near me. At any rate, it appears overpriced. I thought the emitter + glasses became standard in the $3499 package...

Give us a call. smile.gif
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Thanks. Yeah I still can't seem to easily find a Magnolia store near me. At any rate, it appears overpriced. I thought the emitter + glasses became standard in the $3499 package...

Not sure where you are in Seattle, but I typically go to the Magnolia in bellevue off Northup (might be 20th, I forget how far down that street it is). Another bonus is Definitive Audio and Video across the street, which carries all the ridiculously nice stuff like Runcos and I believe they had Sony's last time I was in.

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Not sure where you are in Seattle, but I typically go to the Magnolia in bellevue off Northup (might be 20th, I forget how far down that street it is). Another bonus is Definitive Audio and Video across the street, which carries all the ridiculously nice stuff like Runcos and I believe they had Sony's last time I was in.

Definitive has both the Runco LS-11 and Sony 1000es at the Bellevue site......................Seattle store front used to have the Sim Lumis.
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Yup, in Seattle. Magnolia on Roosevelt just didn't have any good content being fed to their projectors/screens, so it was hard to judge anything other than ambient light rejection of screens.

Definitive had a LED DLP set up in 2.35:1 format showing 'The Prestige' (YES!); it was incredibly impressive, except the cycling of the LEDs still created a weird effect for me (no wonder color wheels/DLP just doesn't work for me).

Not really interested in 4k when content isn't widely available yet. Heck, they still won't release my favorite movie on Blu-Ray 1080p... & it's a Sony Classics picture! What gives!

Back to my main point: going into dealers & seeing for yourself isn't really useful for me here in Seattle-- the selection is so limited & then w/ the content problems I mentioned... all I learned was that the Black Diamond is better at scattering less light to ceilings than the Firehawk, but the former has a completely offensive texture. But I'm just OT at this point.
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does anyone know what the specs are on lamp life for these new brands?
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Specs and what you will actually get are a crap shoot. A given lamp often varies in performance from sample to sample. Also lamp life is dependent on many things including at what point in your system you think it has become too dim. The JVCs this year have a 4000 hour specked life and their decay rate data looks very promising. The Sony lamps generally last from 2000 to 3000 hours and I think the spec on the 50 is 3000 hours.
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I'd like to add that I use power filtering (Monster 'Power Conditioner') & my old Panasonic AE900U bulb has lasted for >6years, nearly 3000 hours. Then again, I just don't watch much TV, given that I haven't even racked up 3000 hours in 6.5 years...

The bulb has had flickering issues on & off during its lifetime though. Pretty annoying.
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I don'tnot think a power filter would extend bulb life because I don't think raising or lower the voltage to the bulb as it might change with fluctuations in input AC voltage would afect bulb life. I think it would more depend on how hot the projector got with filters glogging, bulb impurities, and turn on and turn off frequency but at least we now have some empiracle evidence that with usage of the monster you got six years. Kinda of hard to draw any conclusion based on this but its a start. I'll call Noel Lee and suggest the possibility and see if he would run a test of the same projector with and without the filter but even this test wouldn't mean much because of bulb variances.
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I don'tnot think a power filter would extend bulb life because I don't think raising or lower the voltage to the bulb as it might change with fluctuations in input AC voltage would afect bulb life. I think it would more depend on how hot the projector got with filters glogging, bulb impurities, and turn on and turn off frequency but at least we now have some empiracle evidence that with usage of the monster you got six years. Kinda of hard to draw any conclusion based on this but its a start. I'll call Noel Lee and suggest the possibility and see if he would run a test of the same projector with and without the filter but even this test wouldn't mean much because of bulb variances.

Fair point. Also, I like the way you think! This, though, is a particularly hard test with all the variables as well as the lengths of time required for proper testing.

Either way, I'm keeping the surge protector/conditioner on there b/c I doubt it can hurt.
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I just use CyberPower UPS w/ AVR, seems to work ok.

I know with most electronics, tolerances on voltage fluctuations are about 20% to 25% as far as when damage starts to occur. For instance, if you pass 80 volts to something long enough that is supposed to get 120 volts, it will eventually damage it, but it depends what it is. That said, I know those tolerances from computer equipment from 10-15 years ago and cannot be sure they are still that sensitive.


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