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I have the opportunity to get one of those, which is better according to your knowledge...black levels, sharpness, every image aspect, any info will be much appreciated.
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There's a place in Canada that sells the Optoma HD8600 at a good price! Unless you're into 3D, I would spring for the HD8600. It will have better black levels and color.
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yeah, consignia.ca, thats where im about to buy it, but i saw the W7000 for 1999 in amazon, and according to projectorreviews.com, its a blast, so now i have a doubt, thanks for the info bro.
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Wow, i tought the support or help from the experts here would be better, not even more than one answer, thanks anyway.
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is the BENQ W7000 even sharper than the Optoma HD8600?
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is the BENQ W7000 even sharper than the Optoma HD8600?

It will be more of a toss up. Both of these projectors are known for sharpness. The Optoma HD8600 was marketed in a higher class than the Benq w7000. The Optoma uses a Darkchip3 vs the Darkchip 2 used in the Benq.
Both are great projectors. One is better at 2D and the other has 3D. The Optoma has a dual Iris, which will allow you to squeeze more contrast/black levels out of the image.
The Optoma comes with a two year warranty, the Benq 1 year warranty.
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thank u joesyah, if it is up to u, which one would u prefer?...on the same price.
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thank u joesyah, if it is up to u, which one would u prefer?...on the same price.

Well Walter I'm more of a 2D guy and favor better contrast/ black levels over 3D. So for me the Optoma would be my choice of the two..
You know there is a JVC HD250 on Ebay right now in the same price range for sale by JVC. I sent you the link.
What do you plan to use the projector for? Movies, Sports, video games?
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What do you use now for your movies,sports and games? Have you considered what size screen you will use?
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Like 110..., i watch a lot of sports, A LOT!!!, many movies, but no as much as sports and videogames only the weekends.
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Like 110..., i watch a lot of sports, A LOT!!!, many movies, but no as much as sports and videogames only the weekends.

If you're a big sports fan, then go with the 8600. Do you know if you're RBE sensitive or not? This is something that affects certain individuals when watching DLPs with color wheels. Not everyone is bothered by it though.
Some of us see flashes of colors during high contrast scenes. The HD8600 would be a good medium between the JVC HD250 and the W7000. It gives better black levels /contrast than the w7000 and better motion for sports than the JVC.
The 8600 has a faster color wheel speed than the w7000. This will help with the RBE.
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so the HD8600 is one of the best dlp around?...
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At this price it is! I like the Infocus SP8602 a lot. Unfortunately, they aren't made any more. You also have the refurb Epson 8700s on visual apex. The Epson is an LCD projector. It has frame interpolation to help with sports.
Here's another one to look at http://www.projectorpeople.com/projectors/projdtls.asp?itemid=25373&itmname=LG+Electronics+CF181D. It's a light cannon, contrast should be about the same as the w7000. Just throwing some suggestions out there in the price range you're looking.
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Hi guys.

Interesting thread, as I have also been offered a 2D high-end Optoma, not the HD8600, but the refined HD87 model. This I can have at 2/3 of the price of a JVC X30.

For me, it will be 90% movies, rest will be mixed games, TV, some sports when there is euro cup and world cup in soccer - so I am not sure how much I will get from DLP motion performance for just movies...
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How much webmonkey?
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How much webmonkey?

How much what? :-)


I can get the Hd87 (the further pimped up HD8600) for 2448$ US at current exchange rates

The JVC X30 goes for min. 3715$ here - without emitter and glasses.

The W7000 is 2871$ here including 2 pair of glasses

- for about 180$ more, there is the Optoma HD83(00).... without emitter and glasses, but they are much cheaper than say JVC stuff



Epson TW9000 (aka. 5010) is 3377$ incl. 2 pair of glasses. (and 3884$ for the wireless HDMI version)
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i know the H8600 is a much higher end unit, but it is also a 3 year old technology, how does that compares to the technology were seeing in 2012, thanks.
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can someone please help me with the last question, i dont want to make a mistake.
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The hd8600 is superior image wise, it is using a higher contrast setup.
Technology on DLP for 2D has been going backwards. The manufacturers had to reduce contrast because of brightness increases in 3D. The Optoma even has a higher Dark Chip version than the Benq (Benq has DC2, Optoma DC3). The newer projectors are often brighter however.

Therefore, the older 2D DLP projectors produce better images than newer 3D DLP's. The hd8600 was also a much more expensive projector than the Benq w7000 comparing new to new.



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I agree with coderguy...I just bought a pj and ended up going with a used Infocus SP8602 as all I watch is 2D movies, sports, etc. (and used DLPs are a safe bet for longevity, especially the Infocus with its 5 yr warranty) Saying you're buying 3 yr old tech isn't really accurate, its more like 10 yr+ tech but it has more pop and natural sharpness than current pjs in its price class (though you have to buy used your can find one occasionally for mid $2Ks. Though I will say that its the absolute minimum I would consider for black levels, anything worse wouldn't work for me (without a Firehawk or something).
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So there is no doubt that the HD8600 in 2012 is a superior projector compared to Benq W7000?
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medium controlled light room, i like dlp projectors over lcd.
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The hd8600 does really well for contrast for a DLP, it is close to the Epson 8700ub in black levels except its Iris isn't as good.
It is better than say a Panny 4000. The black levels you get will depend how you set it up, farthest throw is better.



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and better sharpness and color, right?
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Yep, me too, though my DLP is super bright it seems like LCD washes out faster with a little light, totally subjective. I'm thinking about buying an HD8600 and seeing if it beats my SP8602 in black levels, if it did I could be happy for a long time...I think.
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I just bought the 8600 from Canada for $1695 and 2 year warranty. I am going from my HD80 that was very reliable for the last 4 years to the 8600. I am taking a day off Friday to install it. Shipping was free and only took a week to California. I never had trouble with my HD80 and I am still running the original bulb.

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I'm also looking at trying out the 8600 (I currently have the w7000) as I'd like to stick with dlp because of the sharpness,but don't need 3d, and want darker blacks (JVC/Epson aren't options as I do use my pj for gaming).

I'm confused though - both projectorcentral and projectorreviews don't have much good to say about the black levels of this unit, which is contradictory to what is being said here (I know review sites have missed things in the past though...).

While I'm not familiar with the darkchip technology, I'd assume that the dc3 would be superior to the dc2 in the w7000 and given that my w7000 iris is unusable thanks to the noise (and it doesn't help that much anyway) and 8600 iris would hopefully at least be functional, it would have to offer better blacks.

What are the review sites talking about then and just how much better would the 2d image on the 8600 be than the w7000?
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I've currently got the w7000 and hd8600 hooked up side by side. And let me preface this by saying my test is not perfect, I've got no measurement devices so this is all subjective, and I'm not a display device authority by any stretch. I've watched both units at the same time with the same feed (PS3 - game demo, WOW blu-ray, Transformers Blu-ray), HDTV (Bell 9242 PVR)) on the same screen (elune vision reference white 1.0 gain), and both units individually by placing an object in front of the lenses and switching back and forth. Both units are not professionally calibrated (only did a quick WOW calibration on them).

Some quick subjective observations that I think are pretty much in line with what others have previously said:
-The hd8600 image has way more pop. 2D images appear 3D. Colors look spectacular. The W7000 ends up looking somewhat washed out, particularly on darker scenes.
-Blacks are far darker (with and without the iris) on the HD8600.
-Iris operation on the hd8600 is silent (my benq has a ridiculously noisy iris although I understand not all of them do)
-Iris operation on both units is detectable, with the HD8600 being somewhat more conspicuous (this could be since the iris on my benq w7000 is anything but discrete in terms of its sound)
-Overall audible noise from the hd8600 is less
-Both units are equally sharp
-The W7000 has more placement flexibility
-I cannot tell any difference between the input lag on these units. Any gamer interested in buying the HD8600 would probably love to have a concrete lag number (I know I did), but I'm not equipped to give it. I can say that the HD8600 does not seem to take anything away from the gaming experience as it seems very responsive, and the motion is fantastic.
-RBE, more noticeable on the W7000.

I took some pictures to show the difference in black levels, but in my excitement in setting everything up, I misplaced the camera (wife is not impressed). Once I find it, I will post the pictures.

There is no doubt that the w7000 is a fantastic projector, and given the fact that it is comparable in cost to the HD8600 (slightly more expensive as I got an HD8600 refurb) but has 3D, better lens shift, more placement flexibility (without having to purchase expensive lenses), and is slightly brighter, it's going to be the better pj for a lot of people. For me though, without having an interest in 3D and just wanting the best blacks I can get while still enjoying the pop, motion, and sharpness offered by DLP, the HD8600 seems to be the better fit at this moment. Time will tell!
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Hi jimmy12, may I know where did you got your HD8600? at what price? what lens included?
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