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When I went to pick up my Integra DHC-80.3 at the somewhat local audio/video shop I recently discovered, the gentlemen over there started talking with me and I told him how I have the theater room on the way and was planning on an Epson Pro Cinema 6010 projector. He immediately recommended the JVC DLA-RS45U over the Epson because of the lack on dynamic Iris in the JVC. He was explaining to me how in the dark scenes on the dark knight, you would see the blacks fade and darken over and over again when something bright happened like an explosion. I don't know much about the JVC other then on paper, it looks like the Epson has it beat with a higher contrast ratio, much higher refresh rate and much more light output.

For a completely light controlled room that will have a 110" screen and very OCCASIONAL 3D viewing, what projector would you guys recommend between the JVC DLA-RS45U and the Epson Pro Cinema 6010?
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Epson quotes on/ioff contrast ratio with the dynamic iris engaged and such dynamic on/off contrast ratio numbers are inflated as compared to a projector that does not use a dynamic iris. Overall the JVC RS45 as compared to the Epson 6010 (or the 5010) will give you a better black level while maintaining detail in the dark areas of the image and also displaying any bright elements of the image at full brightness. The bottom line is the JVC is a little better for 2D projection than is the Epson. However, the Epson is better for 3D projection in that it has less 3D crosstalk/ghosting and also a brighter image. I suggest you read the reviews of these Epson and JVC projectors at projectorreviews.com. There is also a shootout thread HERE at AVS that compares these projectors (and others).

Having compared an Epson 5010 (same perfermance as the 6010) against a JVC RS40 (very similar to the RS45 in terms of performance), I would pick the Epson if you want to watch much 3D, but the JVC if you really don't have much interest in 3D.

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You'll get opinions that favor both projectors depending on its use. If you think you may become a 3D proponent. Then grab the Epson 5010/6010. If you're a serious 2D movie viewer and maybe in the future want to go with a 2.35 wide screen, then grab the RS45. It has powered zoom memory and focus, this something the Epson doesn't have. As far as brightness goes, the Epson is brighter. Contrast goes to the RS45, hands down there are no projectors in this price range that can match it in this area..PERIOD. Individual preference will determine if the Iris pumping is something you can live with in the Epson. Some may not notice as much as others. It's not just the Iris movement, but the actual difference between brighter colors and black in low APL scenes.
You didn't mention the gain of your 110" screen. Either projector will be more than bright enough for a screen of that size in 2D. For 3D viewing the Epson will be better.
Here's the review site I trust the most http://www.hometheater.com/category/projector-reviews. They actually do measurements of the gear, not just subjective opinions.
The DLA-x30 is the same as the RS45 http://www.hometheater.com/content/jvc-dla-x30-3d-lcos-projector. The Epson 5010/6010 review http://www.hometheater.com/content/epson-powerlite-home-cinema-5010e-3d-lcd-projector.

Good luck with the hunt! I'm sure you'll enjoy either projector.
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Ron is dead on. Also the reviews list the RS45 with more calibrated lumens in 2D. Art got 892 for the RS45 and the Epson 5010/6010 was 630 lumens. In 3D the Epson is brighter.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/jvc/dla-rs45/performance.php#bright
http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-5010/performance.php#bright

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I love decisions lol. Thanks for the info and links, I'll do some close reading. The gain on my screen 1.3. I don't know much about 3D, I want to experiment with it. I'll mostly be viewing in 2D but wouldn't mind watching an occasional movie in 3D.
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I love decisions lol. Thanks for the info and links, I'll do some close reading. The gain on my screen 1.3. I don't know much about 3D, I want to experiment with it. I'll mostly be viewing in 2D but wouldn't mind watching an occasional movie in 3D.

I think you will find the JVC RS45 alright for most casual 3D viewing, but it appears there is some unit-to-unit variation in the level of 3D crosstalk/ghosting with the JVC projectors. My RS40 (and also a friends) shows very little 3D ghosting with such movies as Avatar and Hugo while some RS40 and RS45 owners have reported 3D crosstalk issues with Hugo. I find my RS40 bright enough for 3D viewing on my 120" (actual gain about 1.2) screen but I had a review 5010 set up for a week a few months ago and it clearly was both brighter and had less visible 3D crosstalk/ghosting on a couple of blu-ray 3D Imax discs where I do see moderate crosstalk issues with the JVC. I posted the results of crosstalk measurements for both of these projectors (for a Blu-ray 3D source) on my blog at projector reviews. The JVC is especially prone to displaying 3D crosstalk when the source signal is in the 1080i or 720p half resolution formats being carried by Directv and some cable TV systems. This is because these require a higher displayed refresh rate (60Hz per eye or 120 Hz total) as compared to the blu-ray 3D discs which are displayed at 48 Hz. per eye (96 Hz total) and the response time of the DILA (LCoS) display chips used in the JVC projectors is simply not fast enough for satisfactory performance at the higher refresh rate.

By the way it appears the OP started two idential threads (see HERE) and now people are posting to both. They really should be merged or one of them locked.

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I love decisions lol. Thanks for the info and links, I'll do some close reading. The gain on my screen 1.3. I don't know much about 3D, I want to experiment with it. I'll mostly be viewing in 2D but wouldn't mind watching an occasional movie in 3D.

Is that 1.3 gain a manufacturers spec or measured gain? What screen is it?

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Its a manufacture spec. Its a Screen Innovations black diamond. I picked it up used
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I just realized there are 2 identical threads of this topic of mine for some reason. Don't know why it submitted twice, sorry about that
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Its a manufacture spec. Its a Screen Innovations black diamond. I picked it up used

Is it the Solar 4K fabric? If so then you are getting a full 1.3 gain (maybe a little more) from the screen.

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I traded my RS45 for an Epson 6010 and I'm really happy with the decision. I"m also passionate about 3D. As far as I'm concerned, the JVC RS45 is a flop as a 3D projector. Dark ghosting (dark objects against a light background) is terrible, and significantly worse than the RS40, which I also owned. The Epson is in a whole other class as a 3D projector. For 2D, I still miss the JVC a little, with its dramatic native contrast, but the Epson is a lot better than I expected it would be. The two look very different to me while watching 2D content, so I had to adjust. With the iris set to low, it's barely noticeable. Shadow detail is quite good.

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Based on all this, I'm leaning more towards the Epson. I'm sure the JVCs 2D performance is "better," but when I saw the Pro Cinema 6010 in action, it looked really good to me. I'm not as picky with video as I am with sound wink.gif 3D is something I definitely want to try out. If I don't like, the next projector I get won't be determined on its 3D performance. By the time I'd be looking to get another projector, 4k will probably be more common. The Epson seems like a good all around performer. Thanks again for the links to the reviews, they really helped my decision. If the JVCs 3D performance was better, I'd probably be leaning more towards that.
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