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post #121 of 147 Old 08-30-2012, 11:01 PM
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BenQ isn't at Berlin.
yeah... knew they didn't have floor space, thought they may have made an announcement off site somewhere. One can hope tongue.gif

"A wide screen just makes a bad film twice as bad. "
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I wonder what he'd think about 3D IMAX?
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In 40 minutes, the new EPSON models will be introduce here :

http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB3/projecteurs-f2/

and despite all the press release you will have all over the world, here you will have the first pic of it in a few hours wink.gif Stay tuned wink.gif
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Pics live from IFA are arriving, and also from the new RF 3D glasses wink.gif
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Any news about Epson LCoS? How about the rumored 4K SXRD from Mitsubishi?

Thanks!!
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As promise all the EPSON BOOTH with the EH-TW9100W, TW9000, TW8100, TW6100W and TW550 + the new 3D RF glasses and an equivalent to the 3D SONY headset





















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sorry they are all mixed but I'm doing 100 things in the same time frown.gif
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yet another small incremental upgrade :-(

any word on the models at least being able to use FI and iris in 3D?
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yet another small incremental upgrade :-(
I know, it's frustrating, but it does have a positive side, too: One more year where I don't have to upgrade my projector. Saves some money. Here's hoping that when the day comes when the bulb gets replaced by laser and/or led, there'll be a bigger step up in quality again, too.
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What has epson improved? The only thing I can see so far is a bit improved contrast.. anything else? Panasonic have improved their contrast and made quite a big jump in brightness amongst other things. Panny might be the LCD to get next year.

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What has epson improved? The only thing I can see so far is a bit improved contrast.. anything else? Panasonic have improved their contrast and made quite a big jump in brightness amongst other things. Panny might be the LCD to get next year.
Anyone got a link to a press release to see what they claim the differences are? seems like maybe they just added HDMI ports to the lower end model (but likely not the 8100/9100 as they have no speakers and require a receiver anyway) and moved to RF glasses? The claimed brightness is the same, so unless the presser mentions an improved iris, I suspect that the contrast improvement is just marketing to match the Panny claims. On the bright side, maybe the 5010 will come down in price a bit since it is only 200,000:1 wink.gif

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Is Sim2 at IFA?
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After reading the translation from the epson.fr site, it looks like they added HDMI ports may be for the wireless transmitter. There is also a comment on avforums about an anamorphic function. Can anyone at IFA confirm/deny if Epson has added lens memory to the TW8100/9100?

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Yes SIM2 is at IFA and I will post pics from SIM2 BOOTH in a couple of a minutes.
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Here the pics from SIM2 BOOTH at Berlin, with the Lumix 3D in action, and also the M150 :





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What has epson improved? The only thing I can see so far is a bit improved contrast.. anything else? Panasonic have improved their contrast and made quite a big jump in brightness amongst other things. Panny might be the LCD to get next year.

The Panny was also way behind last year in best mode brightness. The Panny was running about half what some of the other projectors were doing.

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Anyone got a link to a press release to see what they claim the differences are? seems like maybe they just added HDMI ports to the lower end model (but likely not the 8100/9100 as they have no speakers and require a receiver anyway) and moved to RF glasses? The claimed brightness is the same, so unless the presser mentions an improved iris, I suspect that the contrast improvement is just marketing to match the Panny claims. On the bright side, maybe the 5010 will come down in price a bit since it is only 200,000:1 wink.gif

Care less about speced brightness claims. It is best mode brightness that we want to know. The Panny had a brightness spec that matched up with the rest of the projectors, but in best image mode, it was half as bright as some of the other choices in the same price range.

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Dear readers, that's all the news related to the new home cinema projectors at IFA BERLIN 2012, now somebody else as to report for the coming CEDIA Show. Good night smile.gif
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Dear readers, that's all the news related to the new home cinema projectors at IFA BERLIN 2012, now somebody else as to report for the coming CEDIA Show. Good night smile.gif
thanks alot man smile.gif
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Dear readers, that's all the news related to the new home cinema projectors at IFA BERLIN 2012, now somebody else as to report for the coming CEDIA Show. Good night smile.gif

Thanks Kraine for your coverage!
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Awesome job kraine, thank you
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The JVC new models are already known (X35, X55, X75 and X95), I'm still waiting for the 31/08 to be able to speak about the 7 new EPSON projectors.

JVC usually release their new projectors at CES!
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Here the pics from SIM2 BOOTH at Berlin, with the Lumix 3D in action, and also the M150 :


What were your impressions on both units? And no new products from Sim2 (other than the M.150)? Do you know if they have addressed the noise issues with the M.150 that have been metioned in online reviews, and user impressions?

Also any word on 4k DLP from them?
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JVC usually release their new projectors at CES!


I think you mean at CEDIA.

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Have you seen the picture of SIM2 booth ? The screen is too small and they are showing only 3D movies, so I won't make any comment on the quality of both projectors (Lumix and M150) in such bad conditions :

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Well there's the dual engine Runco LED projector at much above the 20K$ lower limit of the high-end subforum;-).
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Lossless remapping of what??? Remapping a wider color space down to REC 709 or remapping REC 709 content to a wider color space? If the former, then there is no use for such a feature, and if the latter, then there is no consumer source material available (that I am aware of) that utilizes a color space larger than REC 709....other than maybe some games. And remapping REC 709 to a wider color space would be a guessing game at best, as there is no way to know what "value" a certain color coordinate should be mapped to outside of REC 709.
Or maybe I am misunderstanding your point completely....confused.gif

Yes, the display uses a wider colourspace, Mark bluntly states this 'is plain wrong', well it isn't. 709 material can easily be remapped to a wider colourspace, then the source material starts to match the display, again. And since the colourspace is widened, the remapping will be lossless. A researcher I know told me many years ago that management at the large TV manufacturer was considering which way to go, wide space display's with remapping or limiting the display's colourspace. His department didn't care as they had good algorithms to support either way.
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