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I am still around the 30 day mark from the day I purchased the Home Lite Cinema projector at a electronics store, and I will be able to get the Panasonic AE7000 for $2700. The salesman said these are normally $3999. They are already on sale in this week's flyer for $2999.

My Epson was purchased for $1328, and having tested the 3D option, I can say it looks exactly like it does in a theater. The contrast is 6x as much, rated at 300,000:1 compared to the 8350's 50,000:1. Also, I believe this is 16 bit of color or higher, versus the 10-bit color of the Home Lite.

The difference I pay seems large for me, but since it's contrast ratio is so high, I think I can enjoy TDK and Tron even more so (the darks were still very good for me on the Epson in a dark room). The 3D really is a cool feature, and I may be in the minority, but I think this is a good option to have that will let me enjoy my projector for at least 3 years.

The Avengers and Spider-Man are in 3D, so this will make the 3D option more and more invaluable, so am I justifying this correctly?

Lastly, the black will fit the rest of my speaker and HT decor and equipment better than the white Epson.

I watch movies about 3 times a week (wish I can do it 14 times a week), so even after a year I will have watched enough to cover half the cost/value of the $2700.

EDIT: I forgot to add, but the movie I tested today at the store demo was TRON Legacy and haven't seen this movie in 3D made it even better, but hard to compare to the actual TRON that played in 3D. Either way, in 2D and in 3D it looks very good, and the contrast is easily better than the Epson's.
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Have you seen the new Epson 5010/6010's in action? If so, you'd probably be considering upgrading to the 5010. It's a good deal less than the price you gave for the Panny. I have not seen the Panny, but most things that I've read indicate that the 5010 meets or beats them in every facet except remote zoom & memory. Search the forums and then call AVS for their opinion and prices. You'll be glad that you did.

For what it's worth, I have the Epson 6010 (nearly same machine as the 5010) and it's a fantastic projector, especially in 3D.

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Have you seen the new Epson 5010/6010's in action? If so, you'd probably be considering upgrading to the 5010. It's a good deal less than the price you gave for the Panny. I have not seen the Panny, but most things that I've read indicate that the 5010 meets or beats them in every facet except remote zoom & memory. Search the forums and then call AVS for their opinion and prices. You'll be glad that you did.
For what it's worth, I have the Epson 6010 (nearly same machine as the 5010) and it's a fantastic projector, especially in 3D.

Lag time is much better on the 7000 as well if the OP is a gamer.

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If you are serious about the AE7000 you may want to wait until the AE8000 is released late next month or until the AE7000 are being cleared out at perhaps even lower prices.

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If you are serious about the AE7000 you may want to wait until the AE8000 is released late next month or until the AE7000 are being cleared out at perhaps even lower prices.

Is the AE8000 coming out in Canada or just the US? The reason the 7000 is so tempting is because it's under 3 grand. If this new model is 4 grand, I straight up can't afford it, period.

The Epson 5010 is $300 more than the AE7000, so if I had to get one next week, is the $300 premium worth it. I kinda want to buy Epson, since this is the company that got me into HT and made me experience my first projector. tongue.gif

Oh, and yes, I HAVE to buy one next week. I had already returned the Epson 8350, and will be paying the difference next week on whichever I choose.

Is BenQ's W7000 DLP problematic? Salesman said BenQ will not support me if something goes wrong, and that there is a rainbow effect, plus the thing that rotates every second can go kaput in a matter of months.
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Is the AE8000 coming out in Canada or just the US? The reason the 7000 is so tempting is because it's under 3 grand. If this new model is 4 grand, I straight up can't afford it, period.
The Epson 5010 is $300 more than the AE7000, so if I had to get one next week, is the $300 premium worth it. I kinda want to buy Epson, since this is the company that got me into HT and made me experience my first projector. tongue.gif
Oh, and yes, I HAVE to buy one next week. I had already returned the Epson 8350, and will be paying the difference next week on whichever I choose.
Is BenQ's W7000 DLP problematic? Salesman said BenQ will not support me if something goes wrong, and that there is a rainbow effect, plus the thing that rotates every second can go kaput in a matter of months.

I have no info on what Panasonic Canada will be doing relative to the AE8000, but it certainly will not be out in time to meet your schedule. As for AE7000 vs. 5010 vs. W7000 I suggest you read the reviews at projectorreviews.com. I don't know what the service situation is with BenQ in Canada.

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I'm leaning towards the 5010 and the BenQ. BenQ is still an attractive option since it's $2200, compared to 3000.
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I went from an 8100 (8350) to the 7000.

I first tried Benq, and it sucked. Go with the 7000, you will be happy.

You will find if you go with the benq, your screen will be smaller, if you can't mount your pj back farther.
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Lag time is much better on the 7000 as well if the OP is a gamer.

True, but I didn't see anything about gaming. Also, the lag time is probably only an issue if you're a serious gamer and not for solo play.

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I'm leaning towards the 5010 and the BenQ. BenQ is still an attractive option since it's $2200, compared to 3000.

I'd say read the mini-shootout thread, but it's so long that you should just post the models you're looking at and ask for opinions. There are those like Zombie that have owned/compared most A/B and know the strengths and weaknesses. They have no skin in the game either really. Many own more than one PJ. I still think that you'll find for under $3000 US (can't really speak for Canadian pricing), for 2D only, the JVCs are still the winner. The Benq is probably the best for 3D mostly since it's DLP. However, there's a pretty good consensus that the sweet spot for decent 2D and great 3D, the Epson 5010 is the best value. The Sony HW30 is good too, but costs more. There, I saved you from reading 30 pages of posts.

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I'd say read the mini-shootout thread, but it's so long that you should just post the models you're looking at and ask for opinions. There are those like Zombie that have owned/compared most A/B and know the strengths and weaknesses. They have no skin in the game either really. Many own more than one PJ. I still think that you'll find for under $3000 US (can't really speak for Canadian pricing), for 2D only, the JVCs are still the winner. The Benq is probably the best for 3D mostly since it's DLP. However, there's a pretty good consensus that the sweet spot for decent 2D and great 3D, the Epson 5010 is the best value. The Sony HW30 is good too, but costs more. There, I saved you from reading 30 pages of posts.

Would you say 3D is generally worth the $1000 avg in premium over the 2D projectors from Panasonic and Epson? I think I may just wait out 3D for 2013 since it may be $2000, with 2x optical zoom and good contrast and lag time. BUT, it could still be expensive as hell
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Would you say 3D is generally worth the $1000 avg in premium over the 2D projectors from Panasonic and Epson? I think I may just wait out 3D for 2013 since it may be $2000, with 2x optical zoom and good contrast and lag time. BUT, it could still be expensive as hell

Hi best I'm very happy with the 7000. It's my 3rd projector since getting into HT and my favourite. You would be very happy with the 7000.

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Would you say 3D is generally worth the $1000 avg in premium over the 2D projectors from Panasonic and Epson? I think I may just wait out 3D for 2013 since it may be $2000, with 2x optical zoom and good contrast and lag time. BUT, it could still be expensive as hell

Hi best I'm very happy with the 7000. It's my 3rd projector since getting into HT and my favourite. You would be very happy with the 7000.

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What other 2 projectors did you have? I'm also looking to move on from my 8350
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i am also looking to move on from my 8350 but not until i can afford a JVC RS45 or RS55
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Alright, I think I will "bite the bullet" and get the Panasonic AE7000 this week. I likely won't use 3D as much as I think/want, but I know there will be a handful of titles that I will purchase in the future that will be in 3D.

Contrast ratio, and saturation and the number of bits in the color are all better than the 8350 so I think this will be a worthy upgrade
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Why not wait until the 8000 is released? it could be as soon as September based on some recent reports. if nothing else, the 7000 price is going to drop soon.


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It's already dropped by $1000. It used to be $4000. And I basically have to get the 7000 by the end of this week, or else I will not be allowed to exchange the 8350. I returned it after their 30 day policy, and I am lucky they even did. So if anything, I should be able to get a price adjustment in 60 days of purchase, IF the 8000 comes out and the 7000 price drops in September.
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True, but I didn't see anything about gaming. Also, the lag time is probably only an issue if you're a serious gamer and not for solo play.

As we can tell, gaming is not your thing. To anyone who DOES play online, the 5010's lag is horrible. I'd say well over 50% of people who play games, play online. The lag is not just a "o well i wish it was better" kinda thing. It's a "not buy this product it's that bad" kinda thing. The 7000's lag is about half and yes, that can make a HUGE difference.

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You know what guys? Having just purchased 10 BDs today at Best Buy, all for under $150, I think the cost is fair for each of the BD discs. The 3D titles I came across were all from $39 to $45, which was way too much. And all of the titles I purchased were either from the 90's or early 00's--stuff I am certain I would watch from time to time. Thor, Captain American and Tron were not enough to entice me to spend $1400 more on a projector. So I am either going to re-buy the 8350 or just get the Panny AR100U.

I'll be using the extra money for speakers and BD purchases.
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As we can tell, gaming is not your thing. To anyone who DOES play online, the 5010's lag is horrible. I'd say well over 50% of people who play games, play online. The lag is not just a "o well i wish it was better" kinda thing. It's a "not buy this product it's that bad" kinda thing. The 7000's lag is about half and yes, that can make a HUGE difference.

If lag is an issue for serious gaming, then probably the only projectors to consider are Sonys (I'm not sure about the Pannys, but sounds like they're good too). The JVCs and Epsons are 80 MS and BenQ is 50 MS at best. This info is from the shootout link. And you're correct, I don't play games in my HT.

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You know what guys? Having just purchased 10 BDs today at Best Buy, all for under $150, I think the cost is fair for each of the BD discs. The 3D titles I came across were all from $39 to $45, which was way too much. And all of the titles I purchased were either from the 90's or early 00's--stuff I am certain I would watch from time to time. Thor, Captain American and Tron were not enough to entice me to spend $1400 more on a projector. So I am either going to re-buy the 8350 or just get the Panny AR100U.
I'll be using the extra money for speakers and BD purchases.

Best Buy has over 40 3D titles $19.96 and less. If you have any old DVD titles you don't want, they will give you $5 each toward a Blu-ray purchase.

I'm also looking for a 3D projector. The AE7000 looks interesting with the 2.35:1 feature but it's LCD and I thought the best 3D is from DLP.
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Best Buy has over 40 3D titles $19.96 and less. If you have any old DVD titles you don't want, they will give you $5 each toward a Blu-ray purchase.
I'm also looking for a 3D projector. The AE7000 looks interesting with the 2.35:1 feature but it's LCD and I thought the best 3D is from DLP.

What exactly is the 2:35:1 feature? The Best Buy here has titles well over $20, being closer to $40 and up

Would this mean there would be black bars on the side if viewing 16:9 content?

16:9 fills the screen of the 8350 (no black bars except for the side which can be removed using overscan)... would 16:9 content on the AE7000U equal the size of the 8350 assuming both are at 2x zoom? I may go back to the AE7000U if the projected screen size is larger in general due to the wider aspect ratio.
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What exactly is the 2:35:1 feature? The Best Buy here has titles well over $20, being closer to $40 and up
Would this mean there would be black bars on the side if viewing 16:9 content?
16:9 fills the screen of the 8350 (no black bars except for the side which can be removed using overscan)... would 16:9 content on the AE7000U equal the size of the 8350 assuming both are at 2x zoom? I may go back to the AE7000U if the projected screen size is larger in general due to the wider aspect ratio.

Both projectors are 16:9 native aspect ratio projectors. They will show the same image on a 16:9 aspect ratio screen. Technicly they will show the same size image on a 2.35 scope screen. The difference, on the 8350, you would have to use the manual zoom and manual shift on the projector to fit the image to the screen. When projecting a 16:9 image onto a 2.35 screen, you have un-used screen on each side of the image. This type of setup is called CIH (constant image height).

Now with the Panny, it has the ability to change the size of the image automatically. The only cravat is the projector lens has to be mounted between the top and bottom of the image. This is because the Panny is not using lens shift to be able to re-size the image. It is shifting the image on the chip, using the area where the black bars are to move the image up or down.

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Both projectors are 16:9 native aspect ratio projectors. They will show the same image on a 16:9 aspect ratio screen. Technicly they will show the same size image on a 2.35 scope screen. The difference, on the 8350, you would have to use the manual zoom and manual shift on the projector to fit the image to the screen. When projecting a 16:9 image onto a 2.35 screen, you have un-used screen on each side of the image. This type of setup is called CIH (constant image height).
Now with the Panny, it has the ability to change the size of the image automatically. The only cravat is the projector lens has to be mounted between the top and bottom of the image. This is because the Panny is not using lens shift to be able to re-size the image. It is shifting the image on the chip, using the area where the black bars are to move the image up or down.

Not entirely getting this, but if both were to display a 2.35:1 film at max zoom (2x zoom), will the Panny be actually larger or the same size (just w/o the black bars)?
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