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Just built a media room in my basement and am now at the point where I have to make a decision on my projector. The room is 16' wide x 28' deep with just over 8' ceilings and will have a 120" screen. I anticipate using it for 50% movies and 50% sports/tv. The room is also 100% light controlled, but one of my main concerns is using it as an entertainment area where there will be some amount of lights on. And 3D is pretty much a non-factor, not overly concerned if it has it or not.

Trying to keep the budget around $3-4k for the projector as all other costs have spiraled beyond initial estimates, gotta love NY!, figured I can always upgrade in the future when the budget allows. Doing my research I've read great things about the Epson Pro Cinema 6010 and it seems to fit all my criteria (budget, brightness, great reviews). But my a/v guy has presented the opportunity to buy a used JVC DLA-HD10K (2-3 yrs old, not sure how many hours). The cost is a wash between the 2 (including buying a warranty for the JVC) so I guess it comes down to which projector will perform better for my needs.

Looking for any feedback I can get as my knowledge in projectors is pretty much non-existent. For all I know this could be a matter of one be an overwhelming choice over the other, or a matter of preference. Thanks in advance for any help.
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That is an older model. You would be better off contacting this forum sponsor (AVS) to see if they have any B-STOCK JVC RS-40's or RS-45's left.
The B-stocks are better than purely used as they come with a fairly new lamp and a 2 year warranty.

I would not buy that unit.


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I would go with a JVC RS50 over an Epson. You can pick these up on eBay in your budget either refurbished or new. Be sure to use a screen with some real gain at that size and with these projectors. I am also a big fan of the Mitsubishi VLT-HC7800LP. Benq also has some very good options.

Lights on with a front projection is a problem. You need to keep the lights off the screen as much as possible. The higher your lighting the more important it is to look at brighter machines and screen gain.
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I would probably do the RS-45 B-stock in this case, it is brighter than the RS-50. If you have the room for it, you could do a two projector setup (RS-45 for movies + cheap DLP for brighter sports watching). That would still keep you under budget. The Benq w7000 would be another option, but the blacks aren't nearly as good for movies. The Epson is an ok choice, but in that budget I would probably look to something else.


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That is an older model. You would be better off contacting this forum sponsor (AVS) to see if they have any B-STOCK JVC RS-40's or RS-45's left.
The B-stocks are better than purely used as they come with a fairly new lamp and a 2 year warranty.
I would not buy that unit.

I agree. Certainly not at that price.

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That is an older model. You would be better off contacting this forum sponsor (AVS) to see if they have any B-STOCK JVC RS-40's or RS-45's left.
The B-stocks are better than purely used as they come with a fairly new lamp and a 2 year warranty.
I would not buy that unit.

+1 Take it from some of us that have learned the hard way...always buy with a warranty when possible. Contact AV Science for a B-stock JVC which will come with full 2 year warranty.

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+1.

AVS is the place and JVC b-stock is almost a steal.
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on AVS and JVC b-stock. I wasn't really "ready" for my projector but called Mike Garrett just to see what the prices were and ended up buying one!
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Yep, bought my B-stock a month ago. Like others wasn't ready to purchase at the time but couldn't pass up the deal. Projector had 7 hours on the bulb and the picture (upgraded from a PT-AE 3000u) is amazing. Highly recommend the Cheif RMPA281 mount too. Made the install easy as pie....
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I might add that I called Mike at AVS ...AFTER....I turned the projector on while sitting on the riser and I knew that it needed to be mounted NOW! Now that it's mounted and the screen is up... WOW does this RS45 show a nice picture.

FYI, my B-Stock RS45 had a whopping 2 hours out right out of the box!
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JVC didn't get the reputation for the best 2d image for movies for nothing smile.gif
At that price it was a steal for the quality you get, 3 years ago it would have cost you $4000+ for that amount of contrast.


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My only concern is the brightness of the JVC RS-40's and RS-45's. Like I mentioned there will be times where some lights are on, not at full blast but if I have a Super Bowl party i'm not going to have the room completely dark.
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Are there still B-Stock's available from AVS?

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Well no matter what projector you go with, I highly recommend a hi power screen if your going to have ambient light no matter what projector you get. With my RS40, I watch TV withlow light while I'm eating dinner, and it looks decent, plus I have a 147in hi power screen, with the iris closed all the way down and in normal lamp mode.

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I'm very happy w/ my RS2 clone using the old Da-lite HP 2.8g screen; now it's mated w/ the Darbee, almost as good as the RS20.

Don't let the specs on advertised brightness misled you; JVC is rather conservative or on target w/ their specs, unlike other manufacturers.

I found LCD image a bit "digital" for my taste, but I did own Panny, Sanyo and Epson at one time but has converted since.

For this kind of money, get a refurb JVC from AVS.
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I finally got to see the Epson after work today, it was a 6010. The room had plenty of ambient light as the lights were fixed on without the ability to adjust. I will say that the picture in that room condition was really good, definetly better than expected. That was in dynamic and family room modes. In the THX and cinema modes it wasnt very watchable IMO. They had a 106" Stewart screen that the guy said was high contrast gray with 0.9 gain. It didn't look very dark at all before he turned on the projector, it looked white. One thing I really didn't like about the screen was it sparkled, is that normal? I would not want a screen that sparkles like that in my house. I would guess that kind of thing would only come from a high gain screen??

If I chose to spend the money my ideal setup would include a JVC for night time or blacked out room viewing only, and either the Epson 5010 or BenQ7000 for day time. The black level and contrast from the JVC is really what I want for watching movies, but with football season coming up I just know that I will end up spending more time watching that over movies.

I will post my screen question to that forum...
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My only concern is the brightness of the JVC RS-40's and RS-45's. Like I mentioned there will be times where some lights are on, not at full blast but if I have a Super Bowl party i'm not going to have the room completely dark.

I just researched for the exact same type of viewing as you are doing. My HT room will be for watching movies and football. While the JVC45 is really nice in 2D mode with the room dark from my understanding is that with lights on and for any 3D viewing you want the Epson 5010 or 6010. Just a great all around $3200 projector.

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They had a 106" Stewart screen that the guy said was high contrast gray with 0.9 gain. It didn't look very dark at all before he turned on the projector, it looked white. One thing I really didn't like about the screen was it sparkled, is that normal? I would not want a screen that sparkles like that in my house. I would guess that kind of thing would only come from a high gain screen??

I remember seeing a Stewart Greyhawk in the Starpower store where I 1st saw the JVC RS1 in action, the screen did have an odd sparkly quality, that I wasn't sure how I felt about lol. I can tell you as a hi power screen owner, mine does not sparkle at all. No clue why a grey screen would do so. I hadn't thought about that again till I read your post.

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Mine is 106" 2.8g w/o any sparkle; the pj is RS2 clone w/ 260 hours on the lamp, plenty bright for NFL tonight. It will be my 1st game w/ the Darbee.
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