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But without E-shift wink.gif

It's the new entry level model from JVC that will be present at CEDIA 2012

http://www.cinemotion.biz/n-1-1242/JVC-DLA-X35-DLA-X55-DLA-X75-et-DLA-X95.htm
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Shame they haven't filtered down E-shift to the lower tier models yet, but I guess it gives something to differentiate between models, especially as the colour gamut is much better these days than the old HDXXX and RS1/10 days, so the CMS isn't quite as necessary for a good picture as it was back then.

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But without E-shift wink.gif
It's the new entry level model from JVC that will be present at CEDIA 2012
http://www.cinemotion.biz/n-1-1242/JVC-DLA-X35-DLA-X55-DLA-X75-et-DLA-X95.htm

What are the rumored contrast ratios for these upcoming JVC projectors? I see on the French site it says 50,000:1, 60,000:1 and also 80,000:1 and 100,000:1. Is the X75 going to have a native contrast of 100,000:1 or more? Or 80,000:1 as the X70 has?
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If my translation is correct, it looks like there will be an increase in brightness with the new models.
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Are they still using the same 120hz panels and bulbs as current models?

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If they're still based on the RS40/45 platform and lamps, they can keep it. It just means your current JVCs have depreciated even more, but with no dramatic improvements to the new ones. rolleyes.gif

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If they're still based on the RS40/45 platform and lamps, they can keep it. It just means your current JVCs have depreciated even more, but with no dramatic improvements to the new ones. rolleyes.gif

I totally agree on the lamps. They better put a more stable and longer lasting lamp. Its ridiculous to pay the amount we do for these projectors and to end up with cheap, faulty, and junk lamps. Jvc has to start taking this problem seriously or they will loose more and more customers. I really can't wait for led/laser to end this problem once and for all.
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Lamp issues not withstanding, the bigger question (I think) is did they nail the 3D ghosting? Seems to me JVC image quality in 3D without ghosting would be the improvement they need to create some buzz in the marketplace, and perhaps influence current JVC owners to upgrade.

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I really hope they make some improvements in 3D image quality. Couple that with resolving the lamp issues and they will have a real hot seller with this model at this price point.
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Has anyone reported negative results on the newest lamps? I've not seen anyone report failures or have I missed something? Watched mine last night till early this morning (6 hours). No problems to report in the 6 months I've had the lamp. I'm only at 150 hrs, the way work has been it limits how much time I get to watch the projector. At my rate, it will be another year before I know if the lamp was a problem. I have no intention of selling mine. Nor am I worried about resale as I'm content with the 2D performance. Many of us don't watch 3D.
Lot of us JVC owners could care less about what is to come this year and probably next year. We'll let the OCD folks play musical projectors for the next couple of years.smile.gif
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For JVC to get a significant improvement in 3D crosstalk/ghosting they will have to make design changes to the DILA display chips to reduce their reponse time. The current generation of DILA chips take an expecially long time to fully transition from black to white. Processing nor new 3D glasses can resolve the 3D crosstalk issues with the JVC projectors. The real questions are, (1) have they had the necessary resources and time to complete the R&D and to then implement the production changes necessary in order to have a new generation of DILA chips ready to include in the projectors shipping in late 2012, and (2) have they been able to reduce the response time of the DILA chips without degrading other performance characteristics, such as black level & contrast ratio. We may not get a final answer until the new projectors ship, but I'm certain several of us will try to get answers from JVC at CEDIA.

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For JVC to get a significant improvement in 3D crosstalk/ghosting they will have to make design changes to the DILA display chips to reduce their reponse time. The current generation of DILA chips take an expecially long time to fully transition from black to white.

Interesting. Wouldn't this also mean that JVC projectors suffer from motion blur/poor motion resolution?

Motion blur is considerably worse on my Epson 8350 compared to my 6 year old Panasonic PT-AE900U. So it's not immediately obvious to me that 'newer is better' or that motion resolution is no longer a problem for LCD/LCOS projectors (though if I understand correctly, LCOS should be better due to the thinner layer of liquid crystals allowing for faster switching times?).
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The only thing I want from a new JVC is better motion handling / response time and the improvements in 3D it also gives....

So JVC - where are the 240/480Hz panels???
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The only thing I want from a new JVC is better motion handling / response time and the improvements in 3D it also gives....
So JVC - where are the 240/480Hz panels???

This and increased brightness, mostly for 3D
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The official price in europe will be 2999 euros.
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The official price in europe will be 2999 euros.

Is that the same as the current list price for a X30?

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Hi Ron. It's the same price as for the launch of the X30.
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The US name will be the DLA-RS46 and will coast $3,499.
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I am now leaning more towards the Epson top models now.........
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The only thing I want from a new JVC is better motion handling / response time and the improvements in 3D it also gives....
So JVC - where are the 240/480Hz panels???

Ditto

I won't be touching another JVC until they make these improvements.
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If they're still based on the RS40/45 platform and lamps, they can keep it. It just means your current JVCs have depreciated even more, but with no dramatic improvements to the new ones. rolleyes.gif

I was at CEDIA and the reps there told me that they have an all new design for the lamps rated a 4000hrs with a "YEAR WARRANTY"!!!! This year I will finally upgrade my RS2 with the X55 or I guess that would be the RS56 I think the Reference Series will be called.
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Lamp issues not withstanding, the bigger question (I think) is did they nail the 3D ghosting? Seems to me JVC image quality in 3D without ghosting would be the improvement they need to create some buzz in the marketplace, and perhaps influence current JVC owners to upgrade.
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The reps said that they cleaned up the ghosting. I really wasn't paying too much attention to this because I really don't care for 3D. He did say they have RF instead of IR, that said you can be anywhere in the room and not have worry about losing contact with the emitter.
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The reps said that they cleaned up the ghosting. I really wasn't paying too much attention to this because I really don't care for 3D. He did say they have RF instead of IR, that said you can be anywhere in the room and not have worry about losing contact with the emitter.

They said the same thing last year about 3D issues and from most reports and reviews this year the 3D is actually worse.
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The reps said that they cleaned up the ghosting. I really wasn't paying too much attention to this because I really don't care for 3D. He did say they have RF instead of IR, that said you can be anywhere in the room and not have worry about losing contact with the emitter.

As mentioned above, the reps said the same thing last year and it was flat out not true. Some actually experienced more ghosting last year then the year before.

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When can we expect the likes of the RS46 to start shipping?

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Do the entry level models get the new light path like the higher end models?
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Do the entry level models get the new light path like the higher end models?

Yes they do.
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Yes they do.

Is the light path new or just the lamp?

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When can we expect the likes of the RS46 to start shipping?

I just saw the stats for the RS46 (X35) and it looks identical to the RS46...it looks like they went nowhere in the last year. I think JVC screwed up big in the naming convention though, now they have an X35 and an RS35. Why not X37?

No improvements=no sales...I everyone else doesn't choke this year.
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