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Nice. I CAN'T WAIT to see the price on this baby. Maybe I will own a 4k projector earlier than I thought.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/29/sony-vpl-hw50es-4k-3d-projector/
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Why only have Red to thank for this progress.
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Doh!!! Per the Sony press release this does not appear to be a 4k projector. BAD BAD Engadget for false headline.
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Looks like the Reality Creation is on this Sony to compete with JVCs eshift. I think Sony may be the top choice now. 4k upscaling, better 3D, motion, brighter, better bulbs, cheaper bulbs.
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After SONY's press conference, is there any update on details of HW50?
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Why only have Red to thank for this progress.
Well i did have hope for a second!

Tak Nakane, product manager, Sony Europe said:
"Home projection technology is advancing at a rapid pace, Sony is ensuring it's at the forefront of new developments"

What is he talking about? This?
"Digital Reality Creation technology employs an originally developed digital signal processing algorithm to restore any information lost when packaging from original content to disc, recreating high quality, colour-rich, full HD images."
Sounds like a Darbee (increase ANSI contrast) patent war brewing!biggrin.gif
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See the following link with comment from the product manager, looks like there is a cut down version of the VW1000's Reality Creation upscaling engine :-.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/news/1672307-ifa-2012-sony-introduces-vpl-hw50es-full-hd-3d-projector.html
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Looks like the Reality Creation is on this Sony to compete with JVCs eshift. I think Sony may be the top choice now. 4k upscaling, better 3D, motion, brighter, better bulbs, cheaper bulbs. Had my eyes set on the x55 from JVC, maybe not now

I don't think it's a good idea to compare Reality Creation and eshift. They are completely different stuff. Reality Creation is for video up-scaling, eshift is display technology to allow native 1080p display device output image "looks like" 4K.
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I don't think it's a good idea to compare Reality Creation and eshift. They are completely different stuff. Reality Creation is for video up-scaling, eshift is display technology to allow native 1080p display device output image "looks like" 4K.

I guess it doesn't do any 4k upscaling
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I have a JVC hd250. I'd love to hear if anyone could tell me how that compares to the hw30 in black levels and shadow detail. The hw50 looks like a real step up from the hw30.
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When Sony ships me a unit in October, I will let you know. Nothing pertaining to your questioms would be discernable under any packaged demo at Cedia.

This appears to be some sort of evolutionary improvement over the HW30AES. There is no 4K on this machine or anything to fake 4K. RC as used by Sony in the past does not include the algs used to deinterlace and scale or just scale to 1920 x 1080, the native resolution of each of the three SXRD panels in the projector. Just like in my Sony VPL-vw1000ES, RC can be completely shut off amd yes er ree, the machine will still output the native resolution of the panels. RC is a two axis process, one axis sharpens the picture, or in Sony words, increases the resolution in the sense of detail embedded in each pixel. The trade off is that noise is added and the second axis control must be used to employ filtering to get rid of the noise. Where these two controls are set depends on user preference. At least that's the way it is in my 1000ES. With respect to the 1000ES 3840 x 2160 or 4096 x 2160, most prefer the resolution set at a very low level and the noise control likewise set very low. With respect to 1080p vs 4K panels, I have no clue as to what RC will add or what settings most will prefer.

Brighter as far as 3D is concerned is a good thing and providing a more aggressive DI setting gives the user an option to obtain better blacks but perhaps with greater iris artifacts. Once again this will depend on the user and Sony's DI is very very good, the best in the business.

Having greater lens shift using the same size lens and panels is only a way of giving the user a way to degrade the picture he could otherwise have using little or a small amount of offset. I have no clue if the lens size has increased pr whether ;ens qua;ity has been improved over the 30.The 30 is a fine machine amd I would expect that Sony has improved it a bit with the 50. How much we shall see.
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I'm almost sure it won't be better than 95 though.

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I'm almost sure it won't be better than 95 though.

For 2D I think the Sony 95 will be better but for 3D the hw50 might beat the 95. If Sony has improved the 3D on the hw50 there might be a good chance that there will be very little to no ghosting. Also, the increased brightness will help too. Too bad Sony doesn't have a successor to the 95 this year...
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I'm almost sure it won't be better than 95 though.

If its the same price range as the 30, I would not think it would be better than the 95. If it is, that would be great
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For 2D I think the Sony 95 will be better but for 3D the hw50 might beat the 95. If Sony has improved the 3D on the hw50 there might be a good chance that there will be very little to no ghosting. Also, the increased brightness will help too. Too bad Sony doesn't have a successor to the 95 this year...

Good point, but we'll only know for sure when the 1st review appears online.

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I look forward to checking one out. smile.gif

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Gradius. Depending on the reviewer. Its a profession that has no requirements to be satisfied. No exam. Nothing.


Call yourself a reviewer and put it on line.

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Sony will show everyone something nice at CES in January and yes you can probably thanks RED for the little push. They are targeting April of 2013(TARGETING which means it is on the map and if everything goes well it should hold)

This is why there is only 1 projector being announced.
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Sony will show everyone something nice at CES in January and yes you can probably thanks RED for the little push.

Yes. But at what cost? frown.gif
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