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Hi,

informations available on Projector Reviews :

Epson Home Cinema 3020
replaces the 3010
Epson Home Cinema 5020
replaces the 5010
Epson Pro Cinema 6020
replacing the 6010.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2012/08/31/new-epson-home-projectors-ifa-and-cedia-shows/#more-1798

http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2012/08/31/epson-launching-new-pro-cinema-6020-projector/

http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2012/08/31/epson-home-cinema-5020-projector-whats-even-better/#more-1801

http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2012/08/31/epsons-home-cinema-3020-and-3020e-their-new-low-cost-3d-projectors/

http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2012/08/31/epson-home-cinema-3020-e-projector-black-levels-update/
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Not much different than last years models from the sounds of it. IF, the reduced lag is true that is certainly nice, but not much else to get excited about so far vs the previous versions. I was hoping for at least one model to have a powered lens/lens memory.

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Not much different than last years models from the sounds of it. IF, the reduced lag is true that is certainly nice, but not much else to get excited about so far vs the previous versions. I was hoping for at least one model to have a powered lens/lens memory.

I think support of the iris and CFI in 3d is pretty big news compared to last year.
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Certainly worthwhile to those who like and use 3D. But I agree that these are small improvements. There just doesn't seem to be quantum improvements this year anywhere in projectors. Of course we don't know what JVC has up its skirt until Thursday morning at Cedia. And Mits may have a 4K machine MSRP at about half of the $25K Sony 4K. 5 more days and we will have a much more complete projector picture .
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I think support of the iris and CFI in 3d is pretty big news compared to last year.

Good point. That is a nice addition as well. Like Mark mentions above though, these are all small improvements/tweaks which seems to be the theme this year so far. Maybe there is more in store when Cedia hits next week.

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I am only concerned about the reduced lag. I game more than I watch movies, my W6000 has been awesome for that. But I really want 3D and better blacks. The review of the panny looks promising, but I would rather go with the epson. Just cant have my kill death ratio drop below a 1.50 in cod because the lag is so bad smile.gif
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I am only concerned about the reduced lag. I game more than I watch movies, my W6000 has been awesome for that. But I really want 3D and better blacks. The review of the panny looks promising, but I would rather go with the epson. Just cant have my kill death ratio drop below a 1.50 in cod because the lag is so bad smile.gif

What about the Benq 7000? No ghosting for games (both the Panny and Epson will ghost to some degree gaming) and the 35ms lag is right on par with the 8000 which has 34ms.

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lol! I hear ya man, I am the same way. Holding off on getting a new projector in hopes that next year's models have less lag. Can't wait for Black Ops 2!
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The Cineforhome talked about a panel allignment. Is this something that will be on the 5020? I saw no mention of this for either the 5020 or 6020 in their press release. Is this something it has or not. If it is, it will be a welcome addition. That was a major problem with their past projectors.
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Wow, the zone-based convergence adjustment is a fantastic idea, and probably an OCD person's nightmare wink.gif

Obviously a digital adjustment, but this can still improve sharpness for a misaligned unit (or units that become misaligned over time?).

Sony SXRD units have this feature... why doesn't Panasonic? Is it available to the PT-AE7000/8000 via the service menu at least?
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Not much different than last years models from the sounds of it. IF, the reduced lag is true that is certainly nice, but not much else to get excited about so far vs the previous versions. I was hoping for at least one model to have a powered lens/lens memory.

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I think support of the iris and CFI in 3d is pretty big news compared to last year.

It also mentioned improvements in contrast and black level. Aren't those the main things you were looking at Toe? I just want close to equivalent 2D in comparison to my RS45 and better 3D (brighter, little crosstalk/flicker, and CFI in 3D). I can give up the lens memory on the JVC but I can't give up much in black levels. Hopefully the Epson is close as well in Sharpness.
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It also mentioned improvements in contrast and black level. Aren't those the main things you were looking at Toe? I just want close to equivalent 2D in comparison to my RS45 and better 3D (brighter, little crosstalk/flicker, and CFI in 3D). I can give up the lens memory on the JVC but I can't give up much in black levels. Hopefully the Epson is close as well in Sharpness.

No. Main things I would have liked to see is at least a motorized lens (and preferably lens memory with it) which did not happen and reduced lag which did happen, but we dont know how much yet. The non motorized lens is a deal killer though for my setup. I can deal with a manual lens for a 3d only/2nd projector, but not for my main 2d projector which is what the Epson would be for me if I bought one.

At this point, I am still leaning toward keeping my 45 and adding a BenQ for 3d/gaming.

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What about the Benq 7000? No ghosting for games (both the Panny and Epson will ghost to some degree gaming) and the 35ms lag is right on par with the 8000 which has 34ms.

From what I have read the w7000 does not have stellar black levels like the 5010 or new 5020 will, and is on par with the w6000. Guess I will just have to wait and see what the reviews say.

I wish I could see last years panny in action, it would help me decide if the blacks are really that much better and if I could deal with a non DLP look and feel. I have seen an 8700ub and the blacks kill my w6000. I dont understand why the epsons lag is so bad compared to the panny, doesnt the panny use epsons tech?

And blops 2 is going to be awesome, I pre ordered it on the 360. I also play BF3 on the PC and omg it is beautiful.

I should also mention I have a diy CIH screen. 2.35:1 is around 140" and 16:9 is about 112". I hope the epson or panny can easily light this up. Room is fully light controlled.
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Wow, the zone-based convergence adjustment is a fantastic idea, and probably an OCD person's nightmare wink.gif
Obviously a digital adjustment, but this can still improve sharpness for a misaligned unit (or units that become misaligned over time?).
Sony SXRD units have this feature... why doesn't Panasonic? Is it available to the PT-AE7000/8000 via the service menu at least?

The 5010 and 6010 have this feature and my projector needed only the slightest adjustment. Anyone coming from a CRT background will have no problem understanding and using this feature -- at least I didn't. If the new Epson's are better than the 2012 edition then they'll be very, very good projectors. The brightness in 3D on an HP screen is something to behold. I'd give the 3D a 9.5 out of 10 though there may be individual differences between units. Mine has just got better with continued 3D use. The 10/10 still goes to DLP for no ghosting, but DLPs have a tough time matching the 3D brightness and with the iris active in 3D on the 2013 units I would be surprised if any DLP in 3D will come close in black levels.
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I think everyone needs to decide and figure out what is most important to them in a 3d projector. After having owned both a RS40 and 45 and seeing my friends Acer countless times at this point, I will GLADLY give up some black level for 100% ghost AND flicker free 3d for not only movies but games as well which seem to be where these non DLPs struggle most.

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The 5010 and 6010 have this feature and my projector needed only the slightest adjustment. Anyone coming from a CRT background will have no problem understanding and using this feature -- at least I didn't. If the new Epson's are better than the 2012 edition then they'll be very, very good projectors. The brightness in 3D on an HP screen is something to behold. I'd give the 3D a 9.5 out of 10 though there may be individual differences between units. Mine has just got better with continued 3D use. The 10/10 still goes to DLP for no ghosting, but DLPs have a tough time matching the 3D brightness and with the iris active in 3D on the 2013 units I would be surprised if any DLP in 3D will come close in black levels.

I am coming from a CRT (BG808) - it is beyoung my understanding why Panasonic would not include the convergence adjustments on the 5000/7000.. I saw one demo of it (Dark Night) and during night city scapes shots, there were clearly a lot of blue lights in the windows = blue was off :-( - and no way of correcting it...

I still have my old 1.3 Da-lite 9" white ISF screen - now the big hard question is whatever to mate it with an Epson 9000/5010 or JVC X30/Rs45......
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I am coming from a CRT (BG808) - it is beyoung my understanding why Panasonic would not include the convergence adjustments on the 5000/7000.. I saw one demo of it (Dark Night) and during night city scapes shots, there were clearly a lot of blue lights in the windows = blue was off :-( - and no way of correcting it...
I still have my old 1.3 Da-lite 9" white ISF screen - now the big hard question is whatever to mate it with an Epson 9000/5010 or JVC X30/Rs45......

Are you interested in 3d? If yes, go for the Epson. If not, go for the 45.

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Are you interested in 3d? If yes, go for the Epson. If not, go for the 45.

I am interested in 3D - but so far most material has been "kids stuff" - I love the thrill of pop out effects very much. I am not interested in converted stuff - but the "re-generated" Pixar and similar stuff in 3D are always fun. At the cinema I enjoyed very much the use of depth in Prometheus. I would like to see more of this.

But - I only 1 one blu-ray 3D title so far - Coraline, so 3D is not priority, but the projector MUST have it...

2 Things trouble me with the JVC: I saw 2 short demos of it in 3D - first time was bright and flicker free 3D on 1.3 gain Steward screen (not sure about the model, but probably studiotek) - and 2nd time was dim flickery on the new JKP Affinity screen..... I have been reading like crazy to find what could be the cause - one reviewer mentioned something about the JVC having 2 Black Frame Insertion Modes - which I am unable to find anything about in the manual I downloaded :-(


The 2nd thing - my "tiny" 92" screen was bought for a dim (200 ANSI lumens on a good day) CRT - will these new bright monsters "overpower" it? (thus killing black levels totally?)
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The improvements of the 5020 for $2599 and two free RF 3D glasses?

I will upgrade my 8500UB (at next lamp failure) with the 5020 for sure if the pricing holds true.

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If anyone here is attending Cedia, ask Epson if they happen to know what the improved lag time is with the new units.

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If anyone here is attending Cedia, ask Epson if they happen to know what the improved lag time is with the new units.
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Yes please, this is all I really cared about these units smile.gif
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The all big question is will the 3020 have lens shift...
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The all big question is will the 3020 have lens shift...

If they did you would think Epson would be shouting this feature from the rafters for all to hear. Having said that if you look closely at the picture of the 3020 it does look like it has horizontal and vertical manual control adjustments -- one on each side of the lens like the 5010/6010. I wouldn't put any money on it, but there may be a 1% chance based on the image of the unit. biggrin.gif
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Won't buy unless they improve the pathetic 85ms input lag.

A friend has the 3010. I played Halo Reach, Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, King of Fighters XIII, and Persona 4 Arena on it. All four are fast twitch, accurate input dependent games. All were completely unplayable on the 3010 (which also presumably holds true for the 5010 and the 6010).

Like someone else prior, I game on my 8100 more than watching movies and if the 5020 also has unacceptably high input lag or doesn't have a built in game mode, that's a non-starter for me.
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