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Also, after reviewing the room at length, tonight, I realize that I am really pushing the envelope, for this specific room in considering a 133 inch screen. The room is 18 x15, and in trying to make a screen that size fit, I am getting quite close to the very large, front speakers too (the speakers are over 5 feet high, and 15 inches wide). Much as I would love the visual impact of a screen that size, It probably makes much more sense to default to the High Power in the next size down, 119 inches. Hopefully that will still at least provide some degree of noticeable visual boost over my current 110.


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that's the ideal setup for the HP screen. are you considering a pull down or a frame?


I would like to go with a fixed screen/frame. The Perm Wall model was recommended to me, for the money, as my best option. Although I will admit I haven't really ever considered a pull down, assuming they would have issues as compared to a fixed screen model.


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Looked at things again tonight, and think I just might be able to squeeze in the 133 inch screen, and I want to, if at all possible. Also, it has been noted that doing so will maximize the effect of EShift2. Zombie, you have a huge screen in similar space, your comments?


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Also, after reviewing the room at length, tonight, I realize that I am really pushing the envelope, for this specific room in considering a 133 inch screen. The room is 18 x15, and in trying to make a screen that size fit, I am getting quite close to the very large, front speakers too (the speakers are over 5 feet high, and 15 inches wide). Much as I would love the visual impact of a screen that size, It probably makes much more sense to default to the High Power in the next size down, 119 inches. Hopefully that will still at least provide some degree of noticeable visual boost over my current 110.


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with the HP, I would go as big as you can. My 142" 16:9 is as large as possible for the wall I have it on, it's nearly floor to ceiling with just enough room below for the center channel.
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The general rule of thumb is no larger than 80% of your room/wall width, keep it atleast 3-4 feet from the floor and no more than 12" from the ceiling.
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How high you place the screen depends on your seating distance and the angle you sit at. The farther back you sit, the higher you can place the screen without it ruining your viewing angle. However, in many people's setups in their "short" HT rooms, 3-4 feet from the floor is too high, you generally want the middle of the screen as close to eye level as possible (after accounting for sitting angle).

This generally means 2 feet above the floor being optimal for many people (you can go even lower, but it may seem awkward), some like it much higher as a personal preference but that's not optimal. A higher screen may look cooler in the room, but it's not as easy to watch. Keep in mind that in a real movie theater the seating is raised up for every row back, and if you sit in the middle of the theater, you are looking slightly down or maybe directly at it, but not up at a steep angle. If you sit in the front row then you are looking up to see the center of the screen, which is less preferable. The closer you sit, the lower the screen to the floor the better, because you have too much of a steep viewing angle otherwise.

I think installing as big of a screen as fits in the room is fine, don't really care how close to the ceiling or walls it is as long as the walls and ceiling are dark.


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How high you place the screen depends on your seating distance and the angle you sit at. The farther back you sit, the higher you can place the screen without it ruining your viewing angle. ....

I saw a recommendation (THX I think) that the top of the screen be no more than a 15 degree angle up.
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Can someone give me some Eshift\Darbee settings to play with? Thanks
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Can someone give me some Eshift\Darbee settings to play with? Thanks
I'm using Film 50/50/50 + Darbee @ HD 35% on a 138" diagonal 2.35 screen. I sit about 12.5' from the screen.
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Does the Darby really help the image that much? With eShift engaged I would think there is too much processing going on but there must be something to it since so many of you guys swear by it. I don't even have a real screen yet but the little bit of viewing I have done is with eShift on Film mode, levels at 50. I guess I will look into a Darby once I get a screen.
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Does the Darby really help the image that much? With eShift engaged I would think there is too much processing going on but there must be something to it since so many of you guys swear by it. I don't even have a real screen yet but the little bit of viewing I have done is with eShift on Film mode, levels at 50. I guess I will look into a Darby once I get a screen.

It's even better with e-shift. But you're on the right track... get a real screen first!
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It's even better with e-shift. But you're on the right track... get a real screen first!

I'm trying! Had to buy a new car last week. Wife totalled her's.frown.gif It's always something.
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I'm trying! Had to buy a new car last week. Wife totalled her's.frown.gif It's always something.

Wow... just be glad you don't have to find a new wife!
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Wow... just be glad you don't have to find a new wife!

True! I'm done in that department.
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On the upside, this becomes a possible statement you can make...

"Honey, remember how much we spent on your new car after you totaled it? I'm only asking for half that much for home theater upgrades that we can both enjoy."


Glad your wife is ok. Cars can be replaced.

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On the upside, this becomes a possible statement you can make...

"Honey, remember how much we spent on your new car after you totaled it? I'm only asking for half that much for home theater upgrades that we can both enjoy."


Glad your wife is ok. Cars can be replaced.

Oh yes, we have already had that conversation. She doesn't mind me spending money on toys but the math doesn't lie. It aint happening this month or the next.

Thanks, I agree. Accidents happen and she was very lucky.
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I'm giving the 133 inch DaLite High Power screen serious consideration. I am sitting 14 feet from the screen, and my projector lens would be just about 15.5 feet from the screen. Anyone else agree that the 4810 can handle this size screen without any concern?


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I have a RS40 with 900 hours on lamp and bought a used 2.8 HP 133" 2.35 screen about 6-8 weeks ago and the brightness was great but the used screen had scratches that I couldn't live with so I had to return it. That size screen should be fine with the 2.4 HP material.

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I'm using Film 50/50/50 + Darbee @ HD 35% on a 138" diagonal 2.35 screen. I sit about 12.5' from the screen.

Those settings are very close to mine. I'm also using Film 50/50/50, but the Darbee is set to HD 50% on a 110" diagonal 16x9 screen, 1.3 gain. I sit about 8.5 feet. Normally that would be considered "too close", and until we got the 4810 "SD" material was almost unbearable. The eShift2 plus Darbee has so increased the perceived pixel density that I'm pulling out old SD DVD's and enjoying the heck out of them. At this time, nothing tops the look and sound of a good Blu-Ray transfer, but not all transfer's are equal. This is where the 4810, eShift2 and the Darbee come to the rescue. I, too, was somewhat skeptical, but what we are seeing on the screen is proof. This stuff works!

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I'm giving the 133 inch DaLite High Power screen serious consideration. I am sitting 14 feet from the screen, and my projector lens would be just about 15.5 feet from the screen. Anyone else agree that the 4810 can handle this size screen without any concern?


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John, I should throw up a red flag warning about the Da-Lite screen's. When new, they throw off a chemical smell ("off gassing") than can be pretty hard to bear. I've used them to experiment with screen sizes because they are inexpensive and I can donate them to local organizations after using them. I've purchased 4 different models of Da-Lite screens (the first one I actually returned because of the off gassing.) This was over a 6 year period ending last year. After my 2nd Da-Lite I learned to open them up in the garage and let them hang there for a month (with plenty of cross ventilation), before mounting it in the closed confines of an HT room. Screen's from other manufacturer's can also emit odors when unrolled for the first time, but nothing like what I've experienced with Da-Lite. By comparison, I've owned a Stewart Firehawk and my current Vutec with zero odors at any time.

Note: I'm not one of those chemically sensitive people who freak out at the slightest smell. It surprises me few people write about the serious drawback with Da-Lite. However, if you'll check the "screens" segment of this forum, you'll find posts about the smell.

One other comment worth your consideration: you are more likely to change your projector multiple times before you change your screen. It is just as important a decision (investment, if you will), as a projector. The two work together. A great projector and a crappy screen means you are not getting the image quality you should be getting. I went through 4 projectors over a 10 year period, all looking great on my old Stewart Firehawk.

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John,

Thanks for the red flag, this is the first I had ever heard of a chemical smell issue with the Da-Lite screens. I also understand what you are saying about the importance of a screen, and the fact that it is an important investment. However, my specific situation creates some real limitations in this regard. My position at work is being eliminated at the end of the year due to outsourcing, and I am only still employed due to an extended transition period. Having to replace my RS10 due to the Magenta Stripe issue was already an unexpected financial setback, given the circumstances. A major investment for a new screen simply isn't a financial commitment I can make. I have a pending sale to a friend on a piece of audio gear, and that provide just enough funding to cover the cost of a 133 in. DaLite High Power Perm Wall screen. It's either spend that amount on a new screen, or continue to live with my old DIY screen, unfortunately.


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John, I should throw up a red flag warning about the Da-Lite screen's. When new, they throw off a chemical smell ("off gassing") than can be pretty hard to bear. I've used them to experiment with screen sizes because they are inexpensive and I can donate them to local organizations after using them. I've purchased 4 different models of Da-Lite screens (the first one I actually returned because of the off gassing.) This was over a 6 year period ending last year. After my 2nd Da-Lite I learned to open them up in the garage and let them hang there for a month (with plenty of cross ventilation), before mounting it in the closed confines of an HT room. Screen's from other manufacturer's can also emit odors when unrolled for the first time, but nothing like what I've experienced with Da-Lite. By comparison, I've owned a Stewart Firehawk and my current Vutec with zero odors at any time.

Note: I'm not one of those chemically sensitive people who freak out at the slightest smell. It surprises me few people write about the serious drawback with Da-Lite. However, if you'll check the "screens" segment of this forum, you'll find posts about the smell.

One other comment worth your consideration: you are more likely to change your projector multiple times before you change your screen. It is just as important a decision (investment, if you will), as a projector. The two work together. A great projector and a crappy screen means you are not getting the image quality you should be getting. I went through 4 projectors over a 10 year period, all looking great on my old Stewart Firehawk.
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John, I should throw up a red flag warning about the Da-Lite screen's. When new, they throw off a chemical smell ("off gassing") than can be pretty hard to bear.

Note: I'm not one of those chemically sensitive people who freak out at the slightest smell. It surprises me few people write about the serious drawback with Da-Lite. However, if you'll check the "screens" segment of this forum, you'll find posts about the smell.

I don't remember a chemical smell with my Da-Lite Manual B Pulldown, 2.4 gain 106" High Power screen, but maybe different setups have different smells. I remember a new car smell kind of, but I've had that screen for years so hard to recall anyhow.


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I don't remember a chemical smell with my Da-Lite Manual B Pulldown, 2.4 gain 106" High Power screen, but maybe different setups have different smells. I remember a new car smell kind of, but I've had that screen for years so hard to recall anyhow.

I had two 133" HP's in my dedicated, sealed room in a 2 month period and nothing unusual or overpowering. Could be specific shipment or type of screen had more smell to it.

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I don't remember a chemical smell with my Da-Lite Manual B Pulldown, 2.4 gain 106" High Power screen, but maybe different setups have different smells. I remember a new car smell kind of, but I've had that screen for years so hard to recall anyhow.

I had two 133" HP's in my dedicated, sealed room in a 2 month period and nothing unusual or overpowering. Could be specific shipment or type of screen had more smell to it.

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I didn't have any unusual smell with my 133" high power when it was new either. ..

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I didn't have any unusually bad smell with my 133" high power when it was new either. ..

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Thanks guys. Based on your comments, I'm not going to worry about odor issues. No one with a High Power model has specifically mentioned a problem with that, to my knowledge.



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All new screens I've had ( Da Lite and Stewart ) have that " new screen smell ". Its the smell of money well spent on a theater upgrade. smile.gif

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